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Do these "fans" like Ty, Troopz, DT etc have their own channels or some sort of a "fan base" outside of Arsenal Fan TV?
If I remember correctly, in one of the videos, Ty was asking someone (Claude?) to not "insult his fans".
I'd imagine Ty has quite a few fans at Puma.
 
Do these "fans" like Ty, Troopz, DT etc have their own channels or some sort of a "fan base" outside of Arsenal Fan TV?
If I remember correctly, in one of the videos, Ty was asking someone (Claude?) to not "insult his fans".
DT and Moh both have their own YouTube channels. DT uploads match day vlogs where he films himself watching and reacting to the game in the stadium.

Robbie has a seperate channel as well called Man Like Robbie. He talks a lot of football stuff on it.

Most of these fan channels do videos together on Ball Street or the Football Republic YouTube channels.
 
Do these "fans" like Ty, Troopz, DT etc have their own channels or some sort of a "fan base" outside of Arsenal Fan TV?
If I remember correctly, in one of the videos, Ty was asking someone (Claude?) to not "insult his fans".

He said "don't question my fan base" probably because he had no idea what the term 'fan base' actually meant though.

Troopz and DT do have their own channels now though.
 
We should really bid for Sanchez on the summer, and make them loose their shit.
 
Why do they all pronounce Wenger as you would 'when' rather than 'ven'? Have I been living a lie the past 15 odd years?
 
There is something beautiful about the contrast between Ty and Claude. They both have a very high degree of what you would call 'brand loyalty' but go about demonstrating that very differently.

Ty thinks it is his duty to buy into the brand, support the club, no matter what. He doesn't even reflect on his feelings when he wants to assess his relationship with the club. He has a job to do. To support. Albeit it is a job he has to pay money for, instead of being paid for.

Claude is different. He understands that his loyalty to Arsenal is bringing him pain and misery. He is fully cognizant of the fact that he spends far too much of his limited resources on an activity that he doesn't even enjoy anymore. He sees Arsenal making him more and more depressed, accelerating his aging process, and causing irreversible damage to his system. He...Just...Can't....Stop.

Meanwhile Arsenal makes money from both of them. The dutiful soldier and the tortured addict.

Beautiful.
Hahaha. Amazing comment.

I kinda feel sorry for Ty. He seems defeated, but loyal to the end.

Almost feel sad to be amused by his sorrow. It's like watching the most beautiful suicide.
 
Arsenal fans are a gift. I think this is why Neville wants Wenger to stay. Not because he doesnt want a manager to not get sacked, he wants this particular manager not to get sacked.
 
There is something beautiful about the contrast between Ty and Claude. They both have a very high degree of what you would call 'brand loyalty' but go about demonstrating that very differently.

Ty thinks it is his duty to buy into the brand, support the club, no matter what. He doesn't even reflect on his feelings when he wants to assess his relationship with the club. He has a job to do. To support. Albeit it is a job he has to pay money for, instead of being paid for.

Claude is different. He understands that his loyalty to Arsenal is bringing him pain and misery. He is fully cognizant of the fact that he spends far too much of his limited resources on an activity that he doesn't even enjoy anymore. He sees Arsenal making him more and more depressed, accelerating his aging process, and causing irreversible damage to his system. He...Just...Can't....Stop.

Meanwhile Arsenal makes money from both of them. The dutiful soldier and the tortured addict.

Beautiful.

Fantastic summation.

For Claude it's like having a fifty a day addiction to Marlboro Reds.
 
Supporting Arsenal is the hardest job in football. Even though they have finished higher than the likes of Liverpool most seasons, Liverpool have still come closer to the title than they have in all that time - on 2 separate occasions. Even Spurs have. It's the hope that kills them and the same shit every year. They must feel like they need to break free but can't.
 
Neville comes across as a typical person in the game who has no idea what being a fan is about. These Arsenal fans just paid their money to travel to an away crowd to see their team get served the BBC buy Kante and friends. And those fans on that channel are there week in week out, every single year. They invest a lot into the club. Their reactions are hardly embarrassing. fecking hilarious, but not embarrassing. They are more than entitled to it.
 
Neville comes across as a typical person in the game who has no idea what being a fan is about. These Arsenal fans just paid their money to travel to an away crowd to see their team get served the BBC buy Kante and friends. And those fans on that channel are there week in week out, every single year. They invest a lot into the club. Their reactions are hardly embarrassing. fecking hilarious, but not embarrassing. They are more than entitled to it.
Agreed.
 
Arsenal fans are a gift. I think this is why Neville wants Wenger to stay. Not because he doesnt want a manager to not get sacked, he wants this particular manager not to get sacked.

I would love it if it turned out Nev was on a massive wum.
 
Troopz and DT are very astute on Wenger - with I think DT pointing out how we opposition fans want Arsenal to stick with Wenger because we know they'll never truly challenge for the title. They know the pattern. They know it stems from the manager and yet they are collectively powerless to do anything because "It's Arsene Wenger"

Neville is very wrong on this and Carragher was spot on; Great manager - Should move on or accept they are simply there to make Kroenke rich by forcing Arsenal to resemble some US franchise model by finishing top 4.

The media outlets are losing revenue and eyeballs and are starting to try to ape Arsenal Fan Tv's style I think (or simply copy whats hot on facebook/youtube), but my days the characters and phrasing and above all the disparity in emotions on AFTV is just so damn entertaining. I guarantee more non-Arsenal football fans watch it than Arsenal fans. I detest that gambling app ad though; It will have them in trouble if they don't put any responsible gambling message.
More clubs should have fan channels like that from Exeter right up to Lincoln.

The rap video about Arsene is genius!
 
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Neville comes across as a typical person in the game who has no idea what being a fan is about. These Arsenal fans just paid their money to travel to an away crowd to see their team get served the BBC buy Kante and friends. And those fans on that channel are there week in week out, every single year. They invest a lot into the club. Their reactions are hardly embarrassing. fecking hilarious, but not embarrassing. They are more than entitled to it.

I agree.

If it were any other club, I'd say the reactions on Arsefan TV has been over the top, (well it was for a few of them when they won 5-0 at Soton) but these Arsenal fans have had to put up with Wenger's constant failures for a decade now.

You can't say they're being too reactive or short sighted in their criticism of their club when Wenger has been earning millions for years not delivering trophies.
 
If I was an Arsenal fan I'd be willing to sacrifice a season of champions league football if it did mean hiring a new, ambitious and talented manager. Risks are part of football. It's normal to feel that something is stale, especially when genuine progress is non apparent.

I don't know how many Arsenal fans are content with the current situation but I wouldn't be if I was in their shoes. They are always guaranteed top 4 and the odd cup every half a decade, maybe - the FA cups were good wins. But they are a bigger club than that and do have the resources, facilities, pulling power and finances to challenge for the league and compete in Europe ( albeit certain European clubs are miles ahead of any English club atm).

On paper Wenger is not doing an awful job. He's probably meeting the demands set by the board, just. He isn't spending that much money, although I agree with an Arsenal poster a few pages back that Wenger himself seems reluctant to spend too much for various reasons. I think if he seriously wants a player then he will be granted the funds, as seen in the Ozil signing. Whether they'd sign a 80million plus is a different story - but then again only a handful of clubs have spent such amounts on a single player.

I just think Arsenal have been held back so much in recent years by sticking with Wenger. Those years after losing their best players and whilst other big clubs went through transitional periods seemed the perfect time for them to act. Now it's tough because Chelsea, City, United, Liverpool and even Spurs are finding their feet in a league which is proving very competitive. A season of transition for Arsenal now could be detrimental.
 
If you didn't make top 4, would that be the trigger to change the wage structure/pay increased transfer fees?

Different manager maybe missing top 4. If Wenger didn't make top 4 and didn't leave/get fired he wouldn't change too much but the board might just switch it up with wages instead of firing him. I think some critics tend to miss something about Wenger with all the top 4 banter. While the board's goal might be top 4, that's not really Wenger's goal. Wenger has always had this idealistic goal of winning leagues with 'his' players that he took from teenagers to winners. Its why I don't think Wenger is nearly as happy with just finishing top 4. Even back with Monaco when he got fired for focusing on youth this has been thing. So I think some critics are a little off base that he is happy with top 4. He is just so stubborn he won't ever change his principles. He wants to prove all his critics wrong and win with his projects that he trusted and showed faith in. Its why he wouldn't spend that summer of 2015 when the board had money available to him that he left in the bank.
 


I simply don't get what is Neville saying. He has an incredible philosophy. What is that philosophy? To collapse every year and go out in last 16 of CL every year....


Well, Neville can be not wrong or wrong here. If Arsenal is considered to be top club then he was wrong because top club wants to win the league and Arsenal haven't won it for 13 years. If Arsenal is considered to be mid table club or a joke club then Neville was right about Wenger's philosophy and the fans should be happy with top 4 trophy every season.
 


Can't disagree with anything Robbie has said there. He is obviously very passionate about his channel and puts a lot of effort into it. Gary is talking out of his arse. Like so many times since he failed at management.
 
I actually like Robbie, seems a genuine and down to earth dude. If you were to talk to me immediately after a loss I would be furious as well, just like blud-fam... heat of the moment. Would be really fun to see Neville sit down with him and perhaps some of the regular ones from "the show". Perhaps not immediately after an Arsenal loss

Nevile is an excellent commentator and I love when he's in the studio. But I agree with the Arsenal people here, of course they've got the right to be critical towards their manager. We were all pissed off at Moyes and LVG, neither of these did anything good to the club. If someone told me to sit down and shut up and that I was an idiot for saying that, I would smack that fecker in the face!
 
Gary Neville should stick to spouting his pseudo-analysis shite (remember 'silent domination'?).Think it's revealing how out of touch he is when most United fans will be siding with Arsenal fans over a former United captain.
 


Can't disagree with anything Robbie has said there. He is obviously very passionate about his channel and puts a lot of effort into it. Gary is talking out of his arse. Like so many times since he failed at management.


Did I miss something that Neville said? Serious question as I only saw a clip in which he said,

  • It's an embarrassment - it is, we literally demonstrate it in here whenever they lose. No one can wait to see the fans reactions no arsenal TV.
  • Wenger doesn't deserve that - he doesn't. There's passion then there's just disrespect. My friend is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and although he thinks Wenger should retire in the summer he thinks the clowns on ATV are a disgrace.
What has Neville said other than that?
 
Did I miss something that Neville said? Serious question as I only saw a clip in which he said,

  • It's an embarrassment - it is, we literally demonstrate it in here whenever they lose. No one can wait to see the fans reactions no arsenal TV.
  • Wenger doesn't deserve that - he doesn't. There's passion then there's just disrespect. My friend is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and although he thinks Wenger should retire in the summer he thinks the clowns on ATV are a disgrace.
What has Neville said other than that?

It's not an embarrassment at all though. They are just funny when they rant that's why ppl watch it. A guy like bludfam is a bit of a joke but not because he shares his opinion on Wenger. He is overall a strange guy. Funny to wathc though.
But they have every right to vent their anger. As had we when Moyes and LvG were in charge. And Wenger doesn't deserver what? Everytime I listen to them they say he was a great manager but he is done. Which he is. If you had asked me right after some of our games under Moyes then feck me I'd have reacted even worse than those guys.

Neville is just out of touch.
 
It's not an embarrassment at all though. They are just funny when they rant that's why ppl watch it. A guy like bludfam is a bit of a joke but not because he shares his opinion on Wenger. He is overall a strange guy. Funny to wathc though.
But they have every right to vent their anger. As had we when Moyes and LvG were in charge. And Wenger doesn't deserver what? Everytime I listen to them they say he was a great manager but he is done. Which he is. If you had asked me right after some of our games under Moyes then feck me I'd have reacted even worse than those guys.

Neville is just out of touch.

I'd define it as an embarrassment but we will have to agree to disagree on that.

I think you understate the manner of the Wenger abuse on there. Some may say it in a more respectful way but others way overstep the line. And you can't compare Moyes to Wenger for obvious reasons.

Nb. Not sure why I'm sticking up for Wenger. Weird.
 
Neville should only be taken seriously when he stops dramatising all his arguments. He uses the word embarrassing more than newbies do on the caf.
 
Seems to me like the ex pro's dont want any £ to go anywhere except their pockets innit,fam.

The tired old network bland stuff (aside from Jenas/Kilbane who i think are very good) has had its day.
 
The idiots running the channel must be loving this. Free publicity.
 
Neville comes across as a typical person in the game who has no idea what being a fan is about. These Arsenal fans just paid their money to travel to an away crowd to see their team get served the BBC buy Kante and friends. And those fans on that channel are there week in week out, every single year. They invest a lot into the club. Their reactions are hardly embarrassing. fecking hilarious, but not embarrassing. They are more than entitled to it.

This.

They arent the prawn sandwich brigade fans. Home and away, they spend their hard earn cash. They expect more for their money. Supporting Arsenal runs deep n them. Their aren't fair weather fans.
 
Anybody following the twitter exchange between Gary Neville and Henry Winter?
 
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