AFTV/AM '17/'18: A New Hope
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Haven't watched their video for a couple of years but Claude seems to have completely let himself go. I remember watching some phone-in show on Arsenal club channel and claude called in and mentioned that he left his wife because she got in the way of supporting Arsenal.
Surprised neither one of Robbie or Claude tried to throttle Ty here.
Neville ripped into ArsenalfanTV 
What is it with Londoners and pronouncing "T" like "F"?
"He thought" sounds like "he fought", "Theo" like "Fheo" etc.
"He thought" sounds like "he fought", "Theo" like "Fheo" etc.
I dont understand Neville. At the end of the 12/13 season where we won at Newcastle on the last day to guarantee top four again, he said it was time for Arsenal to finally kick on.
Four years later, we have made little if no progress at all. If we are judging Wenger since the start of the 13/14 season, it hasn't been good enough. What is the point in top four if we make no impact on the Champions League? We are a club which coasts along, quite happy to achieve the bare minimum. Neville even said in commentary at the weekend that this team is a million miles from the 97/98 squad or the Invincibles. Fair enough, the board may not give Wenger the money to build squads like years gone by but he should still be able to motivate the current crop of players much better. Their workrate and desire is absolutely shocking. I don't think Neville understands what 10 consecutive seasons of the same old mistakes, woeful performances and bottlejobs does to a loyal fanbase.
Four years later, we have made little if no progress at all. If we are judging Wenger since the start of the 13/14 season, it hasn't been good enough. What is the point in top four if we make no impact on the Champions League? We are a club which coasts along, quite happy to achieve the bare minimum. Neville even said in commentary at the weekend that this team is a million miles from the 97/98 squad or the Invincibles. Fair enough, the board may not give Wenger the money to build squads like years gone by but he should still be able to motivate the current crop of players much better. Their workrate and desire is absolutely shocking. I don't think Neville understands what 10 consecutive seasons of the same old mistakes, woeful performances and bottlejobs does to a loyal fanbase.
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Imagine for all the shite from Arsenal fans if Wenger did leave or get sacked? They don't have the pull or money to pull themselves out of a few failed managers. They'll become another Liverpool, which they kinda are already.
He was still blindly backing Moyes well after it became obvious he was completely out of his depth at Utd too
He seems to think it's never ever the right decision to sack a manager no matter what. Playing under Fergie for 20 years appears to have clouded his judgement, Fergie was a complete one off freak to combine that longevity with sustained success.
I simply don't get what is Neville saying. He has an incredible philosophy. What is that philosophy? To collapse every year and go out in last 16 of CL every year....
Why is his voice getting so high pitched? I wonder if his Valencia spell has given him sympathy for struggling managers
Completely disagree with Gary's view of ArsenalFan TV and Arsenal fans in general.
They pay the highest season ticket prices in spectator sport. Of course they have the right to call for the manager's head. Especially if they've seen the sametype of season pan out for the last 13 years. It was a cheap dig.
What I can't understand is, any Arsenal fan wantung Wenger to stay.
They pay the highest season ticket prices in spectator sport. Of course they have the right to call for the manager's head. Especially if they've seen the sametype of season pan out for the last 13 years. It was a cheap dig.
What I can't understand is, any Arsenal fan wantung Wenger to stay.
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Instruct Ty to defend the club no matter what in exchange for 10 club shop items per season.
He has been talking some bollocks for a good, good while now. I like Carragher a lot more and I'm not afraid to admit it.
True about his voice.
Neville ripped into ArsenalfanTV
And completely talking out of his arse as well
Neville is an idealistic eejit - read his book. Take no notice of his opinions.
Imagine Mourinho being here for the nest 13 years and winning only two F.A cups? Anybody calling for him to be given a new contract would be told to feck off.
Neville is usually quite accurate but he is wrong here.
Forget the money Arsenal fans pay, that shouldn't determine how successful your club is anyway.
Arsenal are a massive club and have all the resources to be at the top. They may not be the richest team in England but they are up there. They have a big fan Base, modern high capacity stadium, reasonable funds, attraction for top players etc. Wenger is lowering their expectations season by season.
Forget the money Arsenal fans pay, that shouldn't determine how successful your club is anyway.
Arsenal are a massive club and have all the resources to be at the top. They may not be the richest team in England but they are up there. They have a big fan Base, modern high capacity stadium, reasonable funds, attraction for top players etc. Wenger is lowering their expectations season by season.
It's at the point now where I would question whether Wenger has done more good or more bad to Arsenal?
He's obviously been living off the unbeaten season now for over 10 years and even then that side was far from perfect, remember how they threw the title away in 02/03? Remember how they crashed out of the cups in the unbeaten season? Serious mental weakness issues raised then as well, they got away with it only competiting with 1 other side though.
He's obviously been living off the unbeaten season now for over 10 years and even then that side was far from perfect, remember how they threw the title away in 02/03? Remember how they crashed out of the cups in the unbeaten season? Serious mental weakness issues raised then as well, they got away with it only competiting with 1 other side though.
If we're going by current structures United Chelsea and City are streets ahead of Arsenal. No matter what the board says they can't compete with those 3 teams when it comes to attracting players and also affording the same type of players.
I also don't think there are many managers out there that I would place higher than the other 5 of the top 6 teams. So it's a catch 22 situation for them now.
If they sack Wegner who do they get to replace him? Also with 2 of their main players looking like leaving soon who do they bring in to replace them?
Would they not be better off getting through the next season, maintaining their position and then re-evaluating as at the moment I don't think any change they make is going to move them nearer the top of the table.
CL was a serious bottle job, yeah. The one team that was unquestioningly better than them was on the receiving end of one of the greatest team performances in football history in La Coruña. The other team that might have been better than them was ravaged by injuries and crashed in Montecarlo. Velvet carpet to the cup, and what do they do? The following day, they get kicked out by chelsea
Neville thinks no manager should be sacked.
Didnt Salford sack their manager soon after Neville got involved?
Didnt Salford sack their manager soon after Neville got involved?
That video made my night, to a point where I nearly have tears of laughter. The way Robbie gesticulates taking a whiff, not once, but six times. That's some revolutionary shite alright.
To be honest, I don't think this is true. He hasn't been told to leave...not because he won the league 13 years ago, but because he has continuously met the minimum and only requirement for the Arsenal owner. From
The Arsenal board have made it clear they don't give a shite about winning trophies as long as it doesn't affect the bottom line.
If Arsenal has gone a period without getting top 4, he would have been sacked ages ago.
I can't post the video, but go on youtube and search "Arsenal fan tv is a gift from God", just pure gold.
Like he needs a reason!Hi PNut,
I'll answer each of your points with my opinion as an Arsenal fan.
This is really only the case because of poor decisions by Arsenal. If we go back to 2004 especially, Arsenal should have been leagues ahead of Chelsea and City in developing a modern structure and increasing commercial revenue. That has been mostly failure but we are still positioned strong enough that that isn't really an excuse. If a weaker structure exists its the fault of the Board for not doing their job well enough. Heck we have a multi-billionaire minority shareholder that holds 30% of the club and is completely locked out from doing anything! Its disgraceful really the way greedy Kroenke runs our current Board. Also currently we have the resources to afford anything Chelsea can buy. Look at Chelsea's current squad, the players aren't as expensive as you or City and their biggest edition this summer was Kante, who could have been afforded by any of the top 6 teams.
I made a list in the other thread but I'll just the top names here: Allegri, Tuchel, Sampaoli, Hasenhuttl and Sarri. I'd bet money any of them could come in and do better than Wenger after they made the squad their own.
Absolutely not. Its becoming clear the time Wenger should left was summer 2015 when Wenger deliberately chose to spend nothing instead of improving. Another year is just going to set the club back further and cause the squad to grow even more stale. Summer 2015 Wenger has taken Arsenal as far as he can. Every month longer he stays he makes it harder now for the next manager to get us back to the optimal level we could be at. I don't think I could stomach another season of Wenger.
I'll answer each of your points with my opinion as an Arsenal fan.
This is really only the case because of poor decisions by Arsenal. If we go back to 2004 especially, Arsenal should have been leagues ahead of Chelsea and City in developing a modern structure and increasing commercial revenue. That has been mostly failure but we are still positioned strong enough that that isn't really an excuse. If a weaker structure exists its the fault of the Board for not doing their job well enough. Heck we have a multi-billionaire minority shareholder that holds 30% of the club and is completely locked out from doing anything! Its disgraceful really the way greedy Kroenke runs our current Board. Also currently we have the resources to afford anything Chelsea can buy. Look at Chelsea's current squad, the players aren't as expensive as you or City and their biggest edition this summer was Kante, who could have been afforded by any of the top 6 teams.
I made a list in the other thread but I'll just the top names here: Allegri, Tuchel, Sampaoli, Hasenhuttl and Sarri. I'd bet money any of them could come in and do better than Wenger after they made the squad their own.
Absolutely not. Its becoming clear the time Wenger should left was summer 2015 when Wenger deliberately chose to spend nothing instead of improving. Another year is just going to set the club back further and cause the squad to grow even more stale. Summer 2015 Wenger has taken Arsenal as far as he can. Every month longer he stays he makes it harder now for the next manager to get us back to the optimal level we could be at. I don't think I could stomach another season of Wenger.
Lets be honest love Gary as a player but perfer Carragher as a pundit.
Shit pundit. Really grown to dislike the girl-voiced wanker.
Alright mate I'll do the same in return.
Stucture: Chelsea and City hit the jackpot with billionaire owners coming in. As soon as Arsenal increase revenue and funds so do both of the above. Apart from bringing in new owners you will never be on the same level financially.
Sure Chelsea didn't spend much this summer but that doesn't mean they aren't capable of doing so. It was obvious last season was a freak season and I'm sure if they had had a repeat this season the chequebook would have come out this summer.
All in all whatever the reason your structure isn't up there with the three clubs mentioned prior and that's the situation you find yourself in. That's not going to change anytime soon.
Managers: I don't deny some of them could possibly do a better job than Wenger but it's definitely not a guarantee. And as or being better managers than the other 5 in the top 6 I'm definitely not certain at all. You've got Mourinho and Pep who are currently 1 and in the world. Conte has took the prem by storm. Poch has shown a great ability to build a squad and until a month ago Kopp had transformed Liverpool into a team that looked like challenging for the title.
As for sticking with Wenger for a year or so, I agree that he won't lead you to the title but seeing out this current crest of managerial appointments in the premier league with someone that can keep you steady and most likely in the champions league isn't a horrendous idea. It's a case of pros and cons. A new manager could possibly lead you to challenge for the title but they could also lead you outside the champions league places and once that happens unless the board buck up their ideas and quickly you could be on a seriously slippy slope.
Re: resources
We don't even need to bring in a new owner, just give respect to the minority one we already have. Usmanov owns 30% of our club, is richer than Roman at Chelsea, and has said multiple times he would provide a straight cash injection if given a voice on the board to buy a few top class players to catch up. That's why I brought up the disgraceful way greedy Kroenke has treated him and why I said we already have the potential resources. Just a matter of disrupting our current stale, greedy structure behind the scenes.
Re: managers
I know this is a controversial statement but currently and moving forward, I don't really rate Mourinho or Guardiola any better than the current crop of top modern managers for 2017+. Obviously their resumes are most impressive but things change in 10 years. Ideally I'd want someone a little younger, proven but still hungry and still looking to reach that top level. Its why I would love Simeone or Emery at Arsenal and I think Allegri, Sampaoli, Hasenhuttl or Sarri could do wonders. I think they have the potential to be every bit as good as Mourinho and Guardiola have been in the past. I want the next Mourinho, Guardiola ideally. Will all of them achieve that level of success? No. But the project would excite me at least. Wenger's stale groundhog day has grown so unbearable I really don't care if we experiment with say Sarri (unproven at highest level) and fail because at least it would appear like we are putting in effort to try.
I see few positives and many negatives in Wenger staying another year just for some 4-6th place "stability". I've seen Wenger stability for the last 7 years, I've seen predictable and uninspiring performances for 7 years in 7 straight CL R16 exits. I am ready for change. Can't be afraid of the unknown to the point of indecisiveness. Relegation battling Leicester has put in a more exciting Champions League campaign than anything we have done in the last 7 years. I wouldn't be surprised if they go further in the CL this year than we have in what will what 8-9 years.
Gary seriously compared Wenger with Klopp? Wow, just wow. I like Gary and 2 years ago he was bang on the money about Arsenal but now he is talking nonsense.
Kroenke is definitely here for the profit, and Wenger is Kroenke's dream manager because he gets CL every year while spending the bare minimum. I agree with you there are plenty of interesting managers out there, apart from the ones you mentioned, Favre and Jardim and possibly Kovac and Naglesmann are worth keeping an eye on.
I could see Favre at Arsenal.
It looks like he knows halfway through his rant he's talking bollocks but he's gone too far now to turn back.
Their best bet imo would be Koeman.
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