Afghanistan
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The Americans would need to keep their carrier assets at least 3000km away from land then as the Chinese have the DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle that can be mounted on the SF-17 ICBM.
well thats about 1500 miles
the new one in development is 5000 mies
and in 2025 a air launched 3000 mile anti ship missile comes into service
So pretty much as of now that would put carriers so far back from taiwan planes couldnt operate over taiwan
with the new one that's pretty much anything east of Hawaii and they are in range ...
"it's far away" is a master on top of his game.
He definitely checked his map to be sure before writing that.
You seem to think this will render carriers obsolete. These missiles will get destroyed long before they reach the actual carrier. The groups have anti-missiles destroyers along them for a reason. The Navy has been planning for decades for these weapons.
The only thing that cancels carriers is nuke-tipped torpedoes.
Hypothetically, when does a China/US military war turn nuclear? (if at all)
It won't. This is just too outlandish.
It requires two clinically insane persons leading both sides. Won't happen.
they say electronic countermeasures could be used - this has never been demonstrated against even one missile - let alone the hundreds china coud afford to throw at each carrier ... for sure carriers are not as invulnerable as they once were
as I say with the next generation (which is designed to be even harder to detect and hit of course) they can target a carrier anything east of hawaii ... its going to take a carrier round 5 days to get close enough to launch a plane that can reach the mainland.... china can build over 4000 of these missiles for the cost of a carrier and far more when you put the value of the planes on there as well ... carriers are not going to be effective against china or russia - china has even sold these missiles to saudi...
even patriot missiles are not 100% effective so stopping potentially hundreds of hypersonic missiles over several days when only one needs to get through... i think the odds are firmly on china / russias side
Are we talking ballistic missiles or near surface cruise missiles here ?
The US and USSR had a far more antagonistic relationship than the US and China do, and that never turned nuclear. It came close a couple of times, but generally (Cuban Missile Crisis) under circumstances with tensions far greater than anything the US or China seem likely to encounter. Unless China decides to invade Taiwan, but they won't.
China has DF21D in service (several hundered)
couple of hundred DF26 (which have struck moving ships at range) https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ring-carrier-killer-missiles/?sh=77f793a35a47
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-struck-moving-ship-in-south-china-sea-report
and the plane launched varient CH-AS-X-13
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...iller-is-worlds-largest-air-launched-missile/
Russi has the air launched mach 10 Kh-47M2 Kinzhal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
wouldnt want to be on a carrier with dozens of any of those heading my way
Air launched anti ship is standard. As I said, these have been long prepared for.
Ballistic anti ship is a bizarre idea. The article you mentioned gives that capability as "theoretical" . I think this is journo creativity and sensationalism. BMs are simply not suited for moving targets.
Isn't there a thread somewhere for us/china wargames?
Its an interesting debate but I think the point being missed is that China can't sink Taiwan and has to project naval power against it also. If USA defense capabilities wane because of tech defeat of aircraft carriers then god help the armada of Chinese ships trying land troops on Taiwan. The US will just sell them more and better missiles.
The US still outspends everyone else on weapon development so this idea of a gap closing is probably a misconception.
The question isn't necessarily 'who would win a full scale war' (because nobody would - we'd all be nuked) it's 'how much does the US really want to get into a shooting match with a nuclear power over a country on the other side of the planet?'
China has ~300 nukes, most of them would be launched at a single country, maybe a few into India and Europe. Assuming all US response is directed at China, will we "all be dead"? If I was home in India I'd expect to be dead. Some parts of the US also, if they can be reached. Every inch of China.
But not "all."
Let's go and do nuclear war and find out.
They're literally a 10 minute flight across the strait
So was France from Britain but it didn't negate the armada of ships the Allies needed for the Normandy invasion.
Which would mean all the problems posters were citing as game changing re US force projection are reversed.
I'll never forget 3 days the USA initiated the war in Iraq, Friedman did a press conference that was almost like a stand up comedy skit. The memorable quote. "Nobody washes a rented car"
Aint that the truth in the current situation in Afghanistan
(Not an endorsement of Friedman, not a fan)
I don't think there is a shill I can't stand more than Tom Friedman, truly stupid human being.
Pretty sure the Chinese don't need carriers to get hundreds of planes over Taiwan
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That's some stiff competition, but he's near the top of my list.
The latest on my top ten most gross boot lickers is Van Jones, after crying on tv praising the Biden win. I mean, most of us held our nose voting for Biden. It was just so sickening.
Ugh... Biden is so cringe worthy in this press conference on Afghanistan. I want to vomit whenever he says, "LOOK!" as if he's arguing with someone. It's usually a sign that he's lying
Just in case you missed today's Biden White House presser, the only new information is that there were several extraction missions outside the airport. He claims there were 160 Americans retrieved
CNN will try to get more information on this from the Pentagon briefing later today
CNN Carissa Ward reporting from the airport says there hasn't been a flight out of Kubal in over 10 hrs
Just in case you missed today's Biden White House presser, the only new information is that there were several extraction missions outside the airport. He claims there were 160 Americans retrieved
CNN will try to get more information on this from the Pentagon briefing later today
CNN Carissa Ward reporting from the airport says there hasn't been a flight out of Kubal in over 10 hrs
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Out of curiosity, what is your background? I'm assuming you are located in the US but are you an immigrant or a native (whatever that means in the context of the US)? Reason I ask is I haven't seen you post previously on other US threads.
His name is Bob and he's from LA.
I'm from New Jersey
Lived in Los Angelos for about 10 years when I first joined the Caf at around 1998 when it first popped up. Original lame username was LABob
I moved to the DC area and my hobby of photographing protests in DC for several years led me to being one of the lead organizers of Occupy worldwide with the livestreaming collective Global Revolution Live. We reported on events, as well as trained media protesters throughout the world including in Tunisia, Turkey, Brazil, Bosnia, and almost everywhere. Then I became a segment producer for a progressive radio station in DC. I've interviewed dozens on incredibly slimy politicians such as Barney Frank, John McCain. After the Baltimore Uprising I pretty much retired from all that crazy stuff because it barely paid the bills and other reasons, health issues played a role, too.
From about 2010, I stopped participating here at the Caf because I chose to spend my time in DC networking with activists and whistle blowers.
I have some of the old conservative British wankers on here to thank for toughening me up in there early days because it helped me in dealing with dodgy politicos in DC
Also...
I've followed conflicts in the middle east very closely. Due to my large digital footprint on social media, several top commanders in Afghanistan followed me on Twitter. They were nice people but they were then and now mostly full of sh+t. That twitter account no longer exists because it was banned this past October ahead of the general election. The ridiculous reason for the permanent ban provided by twitter: Ban Avoidance - whatever that is
Feel free to continue posting whatever off the wall nonsense in the other US political threads. If there's one thing I learned in my years of being around politicians and various agency workers in DC, I actually know almost nothing and most other folks know less than nothing because they're led by their beaks from corporate media. Therefore I don't even look in those threads
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Watched a couple of fascinating docs on YouTube about late 90s Afghanistan. Ahmad Shah Massoud sure had an aura didn't he? Don't know that much about him but he had a certain presence.
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While everyone is falling over themselves deciding who is to blame for water being wet, I'm far more interested in the intentions of this guy, the VP, and how many people are going to rally behind them.
Agreed. If there's an anti-Taliban insurgency, this guy would be a prime candidate to lead it.
It was a rhetorical "all"...
But even 300 nukes could kill hundreds of millions, pollute the oceans and atmosphere, destroy ecosystems, ruin the global economy... 60% of the global population lives in that region and we'd all be affected anyway. Let's not find out who's right!
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Just read Shah Massouds sons OP in the washington post.
Opinion | The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help. - The Washington Post
Im not sure you can be Mujahideen whilst at the same time pushing for a western liberal agenda and reliance upon them. Also many of his late fathers acolytes were part of Afghan governments that possibly were the most corrupt regimes in the world.
Opinion | The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help. - The Washington Post
Im not sure you can be Mujahideen whilst at the same time pushing for a western liberal agenda and reliance upon them. Also many of his late fathers acolytes were part of Afghan governments that possibly were the most corrupt regimes in the world.
Is it? Things I used to consider outlandish are now coming to pass.
What does china did that requires a full scale war? Like seriously
All this is based on taiwan, a country china hasnt even started to be hostile with.
A war with china doesnt require nuclear, a fully blockaded china would cripple half the world's economy.
And for what? For taiwan? Do you honestly believe the US cares alot about Taiwanese? The Chinese arent stupid. They arent going to risk everything good going on over a small island.
I'm just sick of US warmongering. Why cant we just all live in peace. We had enough shits with global warming and broken economy due to the pandemic.
All this is based on taiwan, a country china hasnt even started to be hostile with.
A war with china doesnt require nuclear, a fully blockaded china would cripple half the world's economy.
And for what? For taiwan? Do you honestly believe the US cares alot about Taiwanese? The Chinese arent stupid. They arent going to risk everything good going on over a small island.
I'm just sick of US warmongering. Why cant we just all live in peace. We had enough shits with global warming and broken economy due to the pandemic.
It's quite sad seeing a number of countries near the region building walls to keep people out. Countries who were involved in the conflict themselves in some capacity and should be accepting some responsibility.
You mean the UK?