hot tubs, champagne, boning mothers, why are we buying players that have no interest in being footballers?
Adrien Rabiot | signs 1 year deal at Juventus. See you all next year
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hot tubs, champagne, boning mothers, why are we buying players that have no interest in being footballers?
His mum being an agent means the money stays in the family, quite a good thing really. Rather give my mum a couple million than someone like Raiola (rip)
He didn't have better stats than Mctominay in any metric last season. You are aware of that right?
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Exactly, first thing I'd do if I was a footballer is try to get the family a cushy number.
This is the sort of player we shouldnt sign. I dont think he is miles better than MCFred and will saddle us with another player in the category of ‘not good enough’ who is on enormous wages and cant be shifted.
It's 100 percent buying more deadwood. We'll want him gone next summer.
I guess that depends on your evaluation of his qualities. I have my doubts about the transfer, but also think he is clearly much better than Fred or McTominay, particularly on defensive aspects, positioning, awareness, and ball retention. He wont score or assist much, but we’ll concede less.
That's not true at all
Lose Pogba and sign Rabiot. Christ.
We’ve got Iqbal, Savage, Donny, Garner and of course McFred. I understand thats not ideal but i’d rather we wait for the right players than buy deadwood that is much of a muchness with what we have. I dont see any sort of long term building project when you are trying to bring the likes of Rabiot on board. Just another body that doesnt really add to the overall picture
Well it is. It's been posted on here. Less touches per 90, less passes, less recoveries and amazingly a worse pass completion which was the one I found most surprising.
What stats have you seen then?
His tackling and pressures far exceed McTominay's (Rabiot at 85th percentile for tackles, 90th percentile for tackles won, 98th percentile for defensive 3rd tackles, 92nd percentile with successful pressures, 93rd percentile for defensive third pressures, 87th percentile for passes blocked, etc).
McTominay with these stats has 55th, 24th, 82nd, 22nd, 56th, 49th (in order).
Defensively, Rabiot even in a shit season like last season is on another level to McTominay. And if you look at every other season with Rabiot, his passing is consistently very good, but unadventurous (or if you look at PSG where he actually played as the deepest midfielder pretty often, his progressive passing was very good as well).
https://fbref.com/en/players/8794e251/scout/365_euro/Adrien-Rabiot-Scouting-Report
https://fbref.com/en/players/d93c2511/scout/365_euro/Scott-McTominay-Scouting-Report
See for yourself! Go through the seasons. Rabiot's defensive stats have always been good. At Juve he didn't play in his best role, but his defensive stats were still good, and his passing stats were generally very decent, just not progressive. And he didn't give the ball away constantly. His ball carrying is what fell last season for whatever reason (but still had better ball carrying than McTominay).
I think you're confusing me for somebody who wants Mctominay. I don't want him or Rabiot. Both absolute dross.
Ah classic. Posts a blatant lie. Says prove it. Then when proven wrong, diverts to something different
Nice.
Ah classic. Posts a blatant lie. Says prove it. Then when proven wrong, diverts to something different
Nice.
I didn't post the stats a number of pages ago mate. Mctominay was ahead in lots of them.
You haven't seen what I'm referring to have you?
Suggestions have already been made in this thread and ohers. But I'll give one - Renato Sanches would have been great before PSG snapped him up. Pretty much any midfielder from top 10 team of other leagues would do the job for a modest amount of money. Why are we the only club that don't have a scouting network that can identify decent players for tidy sums? I'm not talking about wonderkids from Brazil here, just good players who are ready to make a step to a big club. We don't have that. Even with Fregie's "no value in the market" bullshit, we still managed to capture a lot of decent players for very little money.
We just lost Pogba (which I am quite more than happy with) in order to replace him with the Pogba's substitute... Okay...
I have, and you be fair you did say ‘every metric’ when the image you’re referring too was clearly a list of cherry picked stats to favour McTomminay. I see those sort of things on social media all the time and just ignore them.
You said he wasn't ahead in any stat. And then asked me to state which stats Rabiot was ahead in. I also posted previously that Rabiot had a bad year last year, and if we are buying him, it's not based on last season, but more trying to get him back to his best form (PSG as a DM, or even earlier Juve days as a defensive box to box). Statistically, he did very well in those years and fits what we need.
His awareness is quite bad to be honest. Just check the goal Juve conceded against Villarreal in the CL last year.
I will again reiterate that this will be a missed opportunity. Don’t really care about his attitude or his mum being his agent but his football qualities are not there. I would rather put in another 30m and sign a proper DM that can sever us for 6-8 years vs trying to flog a lame horse.
Frenkie and Rabiot without forward is happy ending transfer window to me. Brand new midfield is basically what I would like to see. Bruno or Eriksen can play wide in one of the front three Imo. Unless if Ronaldo is leaving then it only makes sense to sign a new striker.
Well the key ones then. Jesus wept.
If he's having less touches per 90 than Mctominay with worse pass completion and less recoveries I'm not going to get excited.
Juve fans are also wetting themselves on their forum.
Let's come back to this in May then. Juve fans are also laughing on their forum pal. They can't believe their luck. Bodes well for us.....hahaha
I don't know, I haven't watched much of him, but if he can't do it in the Italian league, then god help us - he might actually be worse than McTominay.
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Probably won't be a lot better that's the issue. We need someone brilliant in that role. Neither he, Fred or Mctominay is.
I don’t really understand this concept of “sign him up - he is better than McT”. He can be better than McT but not yet be a competent top 4 EPL No 6. Being better than McT is not really a qualification.
Allegri really is something else, Jose gets a bad rep but this guys football makes Jose look like peak United under Fergie. He played Rabiot on LW? Christ.
I don't think he'll be the only signing but I feel he'll be a very solid signing and could see fans warming to him pretty quickly. There will be more midfielders signed, this summer or over the next year, that will hopefully be the game changers. If the timing was different and we already had FDJ, for example, I think people wouldn't mind this signing at all. It's just the fact he's first in the door.
This is what worries me the most. Even if he is marginally better than McT, it's almost certified that he will be another deadwood that we'd have to move on from 1-2 years from now. Rather have a quality player or none at all. If no midfielder outside of FDJ that is good enough exists, then jsut buy FDJ and invest the other CM money into Antony. We'll worry about finishing ffixing the midfield in the next season. This would be the better idea.
It is about bridging the gap. I personally think you are underrating him but even so getting in a better player helps us to make incremental progress this year and look more attractive next season if we are going for bigger names. Undoubtedly our abysmal form of last year and the horrific performances from some of our starters are causing a lot of our prime targets to give us a hard swerve right now as we look like a club descending into potential mid table misery.
Signing a competent defensively minded midfielder who can actually retain possession and not shit the bed when pressed helps us to at least ensure we remain competitive. Most of us realistically accept that barring one or two of our rivals melting down we are looking at finishing 5th or 6th again this year but would accept that if we do it playing a more progressive and attractive style of football and show some evidence of progress. Signings like Rabiot will allow us to play with more control and give us a platform to build from, sticking with McT is a recipe for failure. I get that you want a better player but right now they don't seem to want to join us so instead we take the smaller improvement and move forward.
What do our french posters think of rabiot?
Hahaha my first reaction was get the feck out of here. But reading into him... I see the appeal. It is hoping he picks up older form, but we are banking on that with everyone in our squad! Especially given he's literally the only player who addresses our actual needs that we've been linked with for ages.You made one of the most violent u-turn in caf history.
They were laughing at Kulusevski and Bentancur too. Take it with a gain of salt. Last season, again, he was poor. The basis for the signing is his prior form. Looking purely analytics wise... It does address a pretty blatant need finally. His PSG form especially.
Left midfielder, it kind of makes sense if you consider the facts that Rabiot can do it in emergency capacity and unlike what some people will claim he actually tries.
Oh I get it. The only thing that bothered me was people going way overboard with the criticism. Otherwise there are reasons to be skeptical, mainly due to whether he can easily go back to a heavy possession game.
Let's wait and see. You sound like you're just trying to put a brave face on it to me.
Juve are seemingly very happy to sell. Why are we only now going in for him then? Why not 8 weeks ago?
It's a panic mode signing if there ever was one. He will be the next player everyone on here moans about that we can't sell.
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