Agreed.
Adrien Rabiot | signs 1 year deal at Juventus. See you all next year
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Feck me, we are down to finding years old stats, in a different league, in vain hope to paint a more positive light on this transfer.
Stats without context are meaningless.
Just as trying to apply stats in a different team, in a different league, and shoehorning them against United players is rather pointless.
It means very little saying Rabiot made x amount of passes last season at Juve, or he made x amount of passes for PSG, that will not translate at United, different league, different set up, different players.
You need special metrics, not green coloured bar charts!
Stats without context are meaningless.
Just as trying to apply stats in a different team, in a different league, and shoehorning them against United players is rather pointless.
It means very little saying Rabiot made x amount of passes last season at Juve, or he made x amount of passes for PSG, that will not translate at United, different league, different set up, different players.
You need special metrics, not green coloured bar charts!
According to James Horncastle from The Athletic, Rabiot's salary is €7M net, and in Italy, only 50% of the salary earned by foreign players is taxed, the other 50% is exempt, and the top tax rate in Italy is 43%, which means it is effectively 21.5% tax rate on the full salary.
So, Rabiot earns €7M net, which is €8.5M gross, and if it is to be matched in England, and accounting for the tax paid by PL Players, then his salary is £210K now, which is in line with other top earners like Sancho, Rashford and Bruno.
I saw some posters say that he earns 500K a week at Juve or some other ridiculous numbers, which are totally untrue.
So, Rabiot earns €7M net, which is €8.5M gross, and if it is to be matched in England, and accounting for the tax paid by PL Players, then his salary is £210K now, which is in line with other top earners like Sancho, Rashford and Bruno.
I saw some posters say that he earns 500K a week at Juve or some other ridiculous numbers, which are totally untrue.
On a scale where McFred is 5, this guy is at least 6 or 7. Probably he won’t pull up trees but he will improve the team quite a bit.
According to Capology, he earns 145k/week in Juve
Yes, that is closer to what Horncastle mentioned in his article (145K weekly is 7.5M yearly).
If we pay this bloke 210K a walk it’s clear we’re not learning anything, I’d argue he’s not worth half of that.
feck me. Posting stats in a ridiculous attempt to make McTominay look better than Rabiot.
One is a regular in the midfield in the best national team in the world who last won the World Cup.
The other can't get into Scotland's midfield.
Rabiot isn't a flashy midfielder, and wouldn't be my priority, but to think he wouldn't be a decent upgrade would be to massively underrate him. Good all-round midfielder, especially considering the price.
One is a regular in the midfield in the best national team in the world who last won the World Cup.
The other can't get into Scotland's midfield.
Rabiot isn't a flashy midfielder, and wouldn't be my priority, but to think he wouldn't be a decent upgrade would be to massively underrate him. Good all-round midfielder, especially considering the price.
The problem is, even if you dismiss last season, he was average at best (for a high standing club) the season before and a starter by default in the worst Juventus team in a decade.
Rabiot might be a fine addition, but we need to see how the manager will shape him. The club's priority should be Milinkovic-Savic instead, it's a quality. In the end, do not expect too much from this club, let them take time to build a solid foundation.
I'm dismissing no season, there is a difference between putting things in context and dismissing them, you did the latter. Which is why I don't consider him the way I would consider him 6 years ago and think that he is just a decent squad player for a good team and in general had an underwhelming development.
so the deal we agreed hasn't yet actually been agreed. I just love United transfers. Perhaps we are still preparing to consider a bid for the player? You can't just skip those important phases out you know and go straight to 'deal agreed'.
you do realise it wasn't united who said the deal was agreed? unless you think they Messaged Di Marzio and said tell everyone we've agreed a deal please.
His performances have been a mixed bag for most part. There are games in the past where he's looked great but plenty where he's either been ordinary or even below par. His mother will probably be an annoyance as well.
But having said all that, why not give this lad a chance if he does come? He isn't very expensive and there obviously is potential for it to all work out. If it does work out and he makes our midfield better and finally realizes his potential here, it would be great for United. Who can complain if that's the sequence of events that happen?
But having said all that, why not give this lad a chance if he does come? He isn't very expensive and there obviously is potential for it to all work out. If it does work out and he makes our midfield better and finally realizes his potential here, it would be great for United. Who can complain if that's the sequence of events that happen?
Hard nahhhh from me
We prepare the most amazing bids, which is why they take a while to get prepared. Considering it's 10 Aug already I expect this to run close to deadline, and any deals that we start negotiating now will probably take until January.
Online fanbase of United: "Sign Paul Mitchell !!"
Also online fanbase of United: "Ha! I hope Paul Mitchell gets Rabiot and does us a favour"
Also online fanbase of United: "Ha! I hope Paul Mitchell gets Rabiot and does us a favour"
We should either loan him or pay nothing to Juventus, seeing as they want rid of him. That's what happens when we try to sell players on high wages
He’s in his last year so they won’t loan him.
However if they are that keen to get him off the books then they should allow him to go for a nominal fee.
2 + 1 years should be the absolute max for this guy. As of Jan 1st he is able to pre sign so it will be interesting to see what they really try to do.
I was in favour of signing Eriksen and Martinez. I don’t rate Rabiot
No I just suspected that it was probably about in line with the sort of money we offer new signings.
If that's the figure before tax, it's not that bad
Just people posting stats in general comparing him to United players is insane, just purely for the complete nonsense of it all as it means nothing at all.
To be fair, he wasn't at the world cup when they won, and Deschamps does seem to rotate his midfield quite heavily, (must be nice having so many options)!
He’s asking that in net right? Gross or net, that’s too much.
Too much imo. If he doesn’t work out we’re lumbered with him.
Yeah sure, but you won't get a starter at Juve and France (more or less) regular at his peak for less
That’s debatable
Shouldn't be approaching signings thinking this way, otherwise why we signing them? If at any point you're giving a contract out and using if it doesn't work out as a reason to reflect their pay, then walk away because you've got doubts
It he was free I'd be fine with that. But we are paying a transfer fee as well.
No club wants him. Negotiate it down.
would need to be post tax surely? Almost all European players talk in net terms
That's why I asked, yeah. United salaries are usually reported before tax, the tweet doesn't clarify that
Posting because I have seen a lot of media sharing that having a parent or relative for agent should not be an issue.
I agree in theory, but living in Paris the echoes from friends that support PSG suggest his agent's behavior is Raiola'esque and she seems to think her son is the Maradona of midfielders.
The games I have seen of his for PSG at least suggested he is a good midfielder, but it stops there, not sure if I'd expect a better work-rate out of him than Pogba.
I agree in theory, but living in Paris the echoes from friends that support PSG suggest his agent's behavior is Raiola'esque and she seems to think her son is the Maradona of midfielders.
The games I have seen of his for PSG at least suggested he is a good midfielder, but it stops there, not sure if I'd expect a better work-rate out of him than Pogba.
Yeah but with this signing the probability of him not working out is pretty high.
If we're taking gamble with the odds massively against us, then yea we should be thinking like that.
These idiots never learn. When Rabiot is no longer wanted he will be loaned out with his wages being paid and let go for free. Juventus do not want him and know he is on ridiculous and would do anything for him to leave. Why don't they do what every other team do - pay a nominal fee for that wages or ask Juventus to cover the wages for the remainder of his contract?
If the probability is high of it not working out then walk away. What is the actual point in making this mistake?
I don’t recall that.
Don’t rate him
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