When was that? Why the hell is he playing kickball with a ball boy?
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It's madness to me that we have Jesse Lingard grabbing significant playing time for us, while Januzaj is on loan. I know he is frustrating, but his ceiling (and level at the moment,) strikes me as being higher than Lingard's.
Lingard is more a safer player though and tracks back more so fits LVG's ball retaining philosophy more i guess.
But yeah Januzaj is better right now and i will be shocked if he doesn't have a better individual career than Lingard.
If Januzaj doesn't have a better career than Lingard then he's only got himself to blame. He has elite level natural footballing talent for me. If he works hard nothing can stop him from becoming a top player.
Jesse is playing better than Januzaj was for us post-Moyes, so dont really know what you on about. The manager plays his current best players.
Other than that goal, which was admittedly nice, my lasting Lingard memories thus far are a host of missed chances, getting nutmegged and going for a walkabout right after and taking his sweet time to get up until the ball was coming at him. At least Januzaj has shown a high ceiling.
I remember great runs and movement, one of the few threats, pace, attacking intent, good link up, creating chances and yes the missed chance. But I rather have a player who misses chances than a player that doesnt have the skill/instict to even get in those positions.
And you dont think Januzaj has the skill to do that?
Didnt show that on the base of last season, hasnt been too productive at Dortmund as well. But even that's irrelevant, for LVG its relevant what the players show at United in his team, Lingard has showed and even produced more statistically than Januzaj did in the whole season. That"s what important. Not that he is great or anything but he is functional and keeps it simple.
Well Januzaj has produced more this season.
Januzaj got the Villa game and the Newcastle game, both games where he played decently but wasnt involved in the movt like he should have. he did score against villa but he was hauled off both games at 60th minute iirc. Lingard on the other hand took his chances, gets involved in our attack and gets in the right positions to score. He missed chances but he also got into the chances to score, which is something more than what januzaj showed in the last 2 seasons at united. There is no question that lingard deserves his run out in the team.
Are Dortmund giving him game time? If not, maybe clubs can mutually agree to send him back?
Januzaj is more talented but Lingard is well ahead in the development curve.It's that simple.
IIRC, LvG said he wouldn't call him back in January. Furthermore, Dortmund will only let him go if we have a replacement. We've been incredibly lucky to haven't experienced major injuries in our attack and need depth in that area. It wouldn't make a lot of sense, however, to hire someone in January; not just because of the inflated prices but most importantly because any new player would need time to adapt.
Ya in 2nd half of season I guess Dortmund will use him more. LvG has taken into account squad wise not having Januzaj till end of season and on top of that he has let Wilson go so ya he won't trigger release in Jan. If Januzaj is to come back in Jan it will be if both club mutually agree as such season long deals usually have some financial penalty if cancelled by one party in between.
I was hoping Januzaj gets more game time, contributes and comes back with lots of confidence. Let's see if it happens in 2nd half.
he needs a quick fix to keep his job alive.
OT starting to become slightly toxic if mufc haven't got goals by half time.
Depends on how the league plays out, but I can't see that at all. Right now, Januzaj doesn't start in dead rubber EL games with 3 regular starters in attack rested. And there are no dead rubber EL games in the 2nd half of the season. Januzaj doesn't start in cup games against lower division sides either, and the cup games in the 2nd half of the season will be more difficult.
Unless there's a crazy injury crisis, getting playing time will become more difficult in the 2nd half of the season unless his performances become so valuable that he increases Dortmund's chances to win trophies. I can't see that happen at the moment. Dortmund has no incentive to start him over their regulars, their back-ups with longterm contracts or their youth talents if Januzaj leaves the club a few months later anyway.
For Januzaj's sake, the clubs should sort this out in my opinion. If van Gaal/United believe in him and see a future for him at the club after the loan, they should buy him out of the loan deal and give him playing time at United or find a different club for a loan deal. If they don't, they should talk to Dortmund to make the move permanent (if Dortmund are interested). It's one of the most idiotic loan deals I've seen in like forever. He needs to play as much as possible at his age. I can't think of a single player who made a step forward by being loaned out and sitting on the bench for a full year. It's madness.
He has to come back IMO. We aren't blessed with options and need someone who can produce a bit of magic which is something, if anything, he has. And also, he is among our 2-3 biggest young talents. We really can't afford to just let a season go by with him sat around on benches for 80% of the time. So yeah, get the kid back. Work with him to sort out whatever attitude/training issues he has, and give him chances. Sometimes a kid improves by playing. His return is just a no-brainer for me in the interest of the club, and the player himself, and we should try our best to make it happen.
Yep. Btw, he's the one who insisted on the loan being to Dortmund. Anyways, what is done is done. IMO he will add a lot to our football given how things have panned out this season.
I know. The club should have told him that he's not allowed to go to a club where he's likely to play even less. The loan deal was totally strange, it happened out of nowhere after Januzaj started most games at United in August. I guess it was a massively rushed decision. Dortmund maybe asked for him late in the transfer window because they lacked depth, van Gaal wasn't convinced that he's ready to start throughout the season. Maybe van Gaal/United/Januzaj underrated the quality at Dortmund after the horrible season they had, maybe Januzaj is simply delusional about how good he is. Either way, it was a mistake. There's no point in looking for someone to blame now, the clubs and the player need to make a good decision for his future.
Agreed.
I also don't think he did badly for us when he was given 4 starts before being loaned out.
The rules don't allow Januzaj to be loaned to another club this season. He either stays at Dortmund or returns to United.
Whether LvG's job is at risk could, with all due respect to United, not be the least interesting matter to Dortmund. If there's no replacement for Januzaj, he would need to stay. I don't expect one of our youth players to step up to the plate because Tuchel recently mentioned that he dislikes how much pressure they are getting already now, that he wants to build them up very carefully. As mentioned, we won't buy someone in January, the only exception being if a player becomes available we really want to have as a long-term solution.
I can't recall who broke the news and don't think it was a trustworthy source; however, the very first time I heard this summer rumors linking Dortmund and Januzaj was before the leagues had kicked off, that Dortmund targeted him as a permanent transfer but he wasn't interested.
Perhaps there was more substance to this rumor than I thought and that the two parties who didn't come together for a permanent deal were able to get things sorted out quickly for a loan deal.
I may be wrong but nothing indicates to me that we're interested to still buy him not that he'd be interested to stay.
Whether LvG's job is at risk could, with all due respect to United, not be the least interesting matter to Dortmund. If there's no replacement for Januzaj, he would need to stay. I don't expect one of our youth players to step up to the plate because Tuchel recently mentioned that he dislikes how much pressure they are getting already now, that he wants to build them up very carefully. As mentioned, we won't buy someone in January, the only exception being if a player becomes available we really want to have as a long-term solution.
I can't recall who broke the news and don't think it was a trustworthy source; however, the very first time I heard this summer rumors linking Dortmund and Januzaj was before the leagues had kicked off, that Dortmund targeted him as a permanent transfer but he wasn't interested.
Perhaps there was more substance to this rumor than I thought and that the two parties who didn't come together for a permanent deal were able to get things sorted out quickly for a loan deal.
I may be wrong but nothing indicates to me that we're interested to still buy him not that he'd be interested to stay.
Another game with Januzaj not getting any minutes today. This loan was a seriously stupid idea and if we have the option to cancel we need to take it asap.
We shouldn't have let him go there but it's his own fault really. He most likely had offers from teams where he'd be pushing for a starting place but he chose a team which has an abundance of attacking talent. He needs to cut it short in Jan or it'll be another year wasted.
Yep it is his own fault. Hope he's learned his lesson. He chose to go there, didn't want to listen to the manager to go to a mid-table team here so he could get more minutes. So unfortunately for the lad, he reaps what he sowes.
The loan to Dortmund was an incredibly stupid decision but what it does show is how overrated he is by some on here.
Januzaj is no better than other talented kids in other PL teams but some will have you believe he's a potential worldie. From about half way through the Moyes season till now he has been very poor IMO.
First off what kind of player is he?
A winger? Not in my book. He tries to take on players for pace and skill and isn't very effective. His crosses have a weird shape on them and are often overhit.
Attacking Mid? In the reserves it seemed like he would be this player but since joining the first team he's lacked the weight of pass and decision making by being very greedy and opting to take poor shots.
At present he's not creative or enough of a goal threat. No one can confidently pinpoint what sort of player he is. He could easily fulfill some of his early promise but I won't be surprised if he ends up following the likes of Canales, Reyes, Nasri as players expected to be stars but fall well short of that.
Januzaj is no better than other talented kids in other PL teams but some will have you believe he's a potential worldie. From about half way through the Moyes season till now he has been very poor IMO.
First off what kind of player is he?
A winger? Not in my book. He tries to take on players for pace and skill and isn't very effective. His crosses have a weird shape on them and are often overhit.
Attacking Mid? In the reserves it seemed like he would be this player but since joining the first team he's lacked the weight of pass and decision making by being very greedy and opting to take poor shots.
At present he's not creative or enough of a goal threat. No one can confidently pinpoint what sort of player he is. He could easily fulfill some of his early promise but I won't be surprised if he ends up following the likes of Canales, Reyes, Nasri as players expected to be stars but fall well short of that.
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Its good Januzaj isnt here, LVG has shown at United hes very good at destroying and removing confidence from players who take risks, and try make things happen by benching them,he would have regressed under LVG imo
This is turning out to be a complete nightmare of a loan deal, recall him and send him over to Valencia - Gary will actually care about his development and will probably give him a run.
Don't think two loans in one season is possible.
That kids short passing game is better than rooneys
Kid was schooling him. Adnan started with the trickery and kid was having none of it. SIMPLE PASSES. QUICK AND SIMPLE.
Bit strange though that he didn´t warm up with his team mates. On the photos he´s always with Reus and Aubameyang. Maybe LVG has send him to Dortmund as a secret recruiter.
Judging by the pics I have seen here, we might need to drug Reus and get him too if we're to get januzaj out of there.
Is he getting game time there??
160 mins in the league all season.
Bravo!! He should look to come back. Not that LvG will give him a better chance. But at least given how people get injured at Utd, he will be playing something
Would you not rather he train with a great attacking unit that is full of movement and fast link up play. Or would you rather he get crushed under the burden of creating something out of nothing for a disjointed, slow attack with no penetration? Some times, playing time can be a bad thing for a young player. I think this is one of those times for Januzaj at United. Not playing so much but training with Dortmund will give him a lot more then playing for United at the moment.
Hopefully it's a bit of a wakeup call and he'll realise he has no rights to expect to start regularly for us... yet.
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