really should have scored there.
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Tuchel likes to feck with Redcafe it seems.
He's 20. What had Lingard achieved at that age? I'd be shocked if Januzaj in two years time is not a much better player than Jesse is now.
Exactly, and it's not as if Memphis has been playing every game himself.
Fans have laughably little patience. Fortunately, one of the things I really trust LVG with at the moment is taking his time with the kids. He doesn't seem in any rush either to hurry them into the starting XI or to ditch them at the first sign of difficulty. He'll have seen plenty from Januzaj so far at Dortmund to convince him that he's an asset for United.
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That bit, to be fair, is definitely not true. Yes, Lingard's always been a very clever player, always one of the better decision-makers in any group at youth level. But Januzaj's decision-making in the youth teams was positively scary. He used to do something effective every single time he got on the ball. It was that, really, more even than his raw talent, which caused him to rocket through the age groups so fast. At each new level, he hit the ground running and was making the right calls and doing the right things straight away. Did it ever take him more than half a season to become his team's most effective player?
For me, we shouldn't be arguing about who deserves a shot more, who's better, who did better at what level etc. They're very different players in style, temperament, and developmental trajectory, but what is surely true is that 1) Lingard is more than earning his first team spot at the moment and 2) if Lingard can do it, so can Januzaj.
It's not how it works. You shouldnt dare calling Januzaj in the same breath as Shaw and Martial as well then for instance. At age 19 they've showed a far higher level than Januzaj ever has and therefore they're going tk be far better players than Januzaj. Just not how it works. Some players develop at latter stages, some players have good standard levels at young age, etc. Januzaj had a very promising debut season, but we held standards for a 18 year old back then and since that season and primary the first half that was most promising, he has showed like very little. It isnt as if he was close to a world beater as well. Januzaj may go on to become a world class player as he's still very gifted, but you cant say that because for instance Sterling aged 20 is far better than Januzaj is, Januzaj cant go on to become better in the future for example. Lingard has always been regarded as a late bloomer, even by ol' SAF himseld, he isnt as shiny as Januzaj, or Pereira but he's effective, smart, plays it simple and that is making quite a difference at the moment. He's continuously involved in our more dangerous plays for the past few games, lets see if that continues and stop the Januzaj should play instead talk,
who has shown closed to nothing since Moyes left.
I don't expect Januzaj to start against Schalke on Sunday, even if Reus cannot play (which is unclear right now).
That old chestnut. It's completely impossible to have a valid opinion on a young players potential because they might still suddenly drastically improve or decline. Thanks for reminding me how it works.
I find it funnier he calls what he had a "decent debut season", he actually carried us, some confused opinions coming off the back of a poor season.
BS, what to say Shaw and Martial won't struggle in the coming years? It's all apart of development and the will be periods in which young players will struggle but battle out off, that is the norm with young player and something we will have to live with if we want to give time to youth or we could buy the finished article and not have to worry so much (then again that can also turn into a Di Maria).
And what did it lead us to? The most productive players were still Welbeck, RvP, Rooney, and DDG duuh who made the difference between 7th and even a lower ranking. Januzaj was a bright star in a dark season and showed great promise in that season, carrying us, him being or talisman seems rather unlikely to me with 4 goals and 4 assists in all competitions whereby 2 goals were scored on his full debut..
Exactly, thats the point. You cant say that a player will turn out better than the other one just because he achieved more at age X, thats basically what he's trying to say with saying Januzaj has showed more at age 20 than Lingard has. Players follow different tracks. According to the reasoning that player X will turn out better or has more potential because of the achievements at a certain ag, you couldnt even compare Januzaj to Martial and Shaw then for example, which is often done.
Called up for the Belgium U21 but apparently declined and decides to stay with Dortmund instead.
For what its worth my initial comparison was based on the qualities and attributes of each player, not based on which has had a better run of form in the first team or what they achieved at a particular age. Age only got mentioned when you suggested Januzajs chance at united was over. Lingard was out on loan up until the age of 22 yet his chance wasnt gone.
I think Januzaj is a more talented footballer with a bigger future. Barring derailing the discussion you haven't said anything that would suggest I'm wrong.
I like him as a central attacking midfielder. I think his passes from center are his strongest quality.
He'll probably be punished to some extent for being truthful, instead of just making up a small injury.
Is it better to just lie or should players be able to be honest about not wanting to play in certain international games?
Is it better to just lie or should players be able to be honest about not wanting to play in certain international games?
Still fully believe in him, what I saw 2 years ago was something special.The guy had Old Trafford at the edge of their seats.
Agreed
Punishing him would be beyond stupid.
Moving from United to Dortmund has probably been quite a big step in terms of tactics and style. He obviously needs time to adapt to those differences, especially since he didn't have a pre season with his current team and the tight match schedule probably really impacts the effectiveness of their training sessions. Having one or two more weeks of training surely will help him a lot in that regard and with large parts of the squad away on international duties Tuchel can probably pay more attention to him than he usually would.
I don't see how playing for the u21 would be more beneficial for him.
I meant the national team punishing him somewhere down the line, for better or worse
Yeah, I got that. I assume that the Belgian FA wants Januzaj to develop and realize his potential and getting play time at his club is the way to do that.
This may well be true but OTOH it's questionable how much he can benefit from it with the majority of 1st teamers on international duties.
If can't recall which Dortmund player said earlier this season something along the lines that Tuchel prefers simple and effective play over fancy tricks. That's something I often think of when I see Adnan on the pitch.
It certainly didn't do Eric Dier any harm.
I hope so
I'm still not convinced that he's that good and the only reason we're rating him is because he was the only bright spark in that shit season under Moyes. I hope he proves me wrong, but for now he just doesn't stand out as anything special.
I'm sure someone like Tuchel can find things to work on even when the whole team isn't there, especially stuff such as intuitive behaviour/decision making, like for example choosing when to pass vs dribble or how he has to behave when defending.
I guess every manager wants his team to play simple yet effective when they can, but most of them also allow some creative freedom as long as it's beneficial to the team. In Dortmund's case Hummels is allowed to wander up to the opponent's box when he feels like it, Gündogan is allowed to do his very high risk dribblings during build up and Mkhitaryan is allowed to play pretty selfish with his attempts to blaze through the opposition's defense or his long shots.
And it's not exactly like Januzaj made some sudden change when he joined Dortmund. I'd be surprised if Tuchel didn't know perfectly well that Januzaj has a strong tendency to take on opponents. If that bothered him he probably wouldn't have signed him and kept Kuba.
You can't ever have watched him for the U21s or earlier. I know what a player did in the youth teams doesn't prove anything in terms of his future success, but you simply can't fake talent like that. The season he had under Moyes was only par for the course for a player who rocketed through the youth sides, becoming the best player for each group within half a season.
And the fact remains that he hasn't really showed any improvement over the player he was 2 seasons ago. If anything, his decision making seems to have gotten worse. He has loads of improvement to do if he wants to make it with us. Right now he's still playing the same way he plays in the youth team, which can't cut it at the top level. Plenty of youth players have looked world class only to fail at the top level because they can't make the adjustment required for the step up in quality and the sooner Adnan learns this, the better it would be for his career.
I think his flexibility in playing different positions have stagnated a bit of his development. Hes been used as a LM/RM/CAM and a CF; that's alot of pressure on someone to find answers for all those positions.
He needs to focus on using his dexterity to his advantage rather than against him.
I also think the loan to dortmund had to be done. Some kids need that move to a foreign club and country to bring out their personality and along with their finalised style of play. The pogba that left us was still a kid; now the guy is a tank with a mohawk and what not.
He needs to focus on using his dexterity to his advantage rather than against him.
I also think the loan to dortmund had to be done. Some kids need that move to a foreign club and country to bring out their personality and along with their finalised style of play. The pogba that left us was still a kid; now the guy is a tank with a mohawk and what not.
What does this mean?
Anyone got a clip of his own goal?
Great clip. It really reminded me how talented he was and still is. I wish we had a management team that are great at handling youth and can still challenge or attain glory with them.
I believe with our acedemy player, we can showcase once again that it is possible to win things with kids.
Januzaj/Mata - Greizman/Peiera - Lingard/Depay
Martial/Wilson
I believe an attacking four above can be part of the foundation of a trophy winning team
He sent in a corner and the opposing player headed it in.
Some people just need to understand that young promising players don't need to become good players. The best performance Januzaj ever gave us should be what you expect from a top player in man united to perform every week (no need to go further into that discussion). Had Januzaj been with us today and played his status would have been a lot lower than what it is now when he's out on loan - especially if the team is performing a bit so and so.
Truth is he's not good enough. Could he become good enough? Not impossible but he's nowhere near that level today and should be showing it before we have any reason to even consider taking him back.
A great player comes once every 10 year. A typical career for a guy like Januzaj would be staying in Germany with a couple of clubs. A loan to Italy, a loan to spain, ten years has gone by and he's back in some club in Germany. It's happened a hundred times before and will continue happen. The team need to get some real talent in and not dwell over some lost talent. I am not interested in how good he is if he's not good enough for the team or needed. There are new talents waiting around the corner every year. So just stop investing so much emotional effort into each and every player that comes through and let them become class players before screaming their name. The one thing that pisses me off the most is the argument they need to play and should get a chance. You get your CHANCE if you're good enough. It shouldn't be a case of testing in a match situation regardless of how you've performed during a training session. FFS the guy on the bench could be the laziest guy in the team - so why play him?
Truth is he's not good enough. Could he become good enough? Not impossible but he's nowhere near that level today and should be showing it before we have any reason to even consider taking him back.
A great player comes once every 10 year. A typical career for a guy like Januzaj would be staying in Germany with a couple of clubs. A loan to Italy, a loan to spain, ten years has gone by and he's back in some club in Germany. It's happened a hundred times before and will continue happen. The team need to get some real talent in and not dwell over some lost talent. I am not interested in how good he is if he's not good enough for the team or needed. There are new talents waiting around the corner every year. So just stop investing so much emotional effort into each and every player that comes through and let them become class players before screaming their name. The one thing that pisses me off the most is the argument they need to play and should get a chance. You get your CHANCE if you're good enough. It shouldn't be a case of testing in a match situation regardless of how you've performed during a training session. FFS the guy on the bench could be the laziest guy in the team - so why play him?
o sad that we had the most exciting attacking player in the league, and we are manhester united, and that we let him go because that doesn't suit our style.
One reason why I wouldn't mind giving giggs a couple of seasons is because he's actually going to built a fast paced team with januzaj wilson and martial involved
One reason why I wouldn't mind giving giggs a couple of seasons is because he's actually going to built a fast paced team with januzaj wilson and martial involved
Some journalists in the past hinted coaches weren't impressed with his application in training.
He's had more than enough chances. It's up to him to take them. I agree with the poster who said that the great players play at a high level week in week out. That should be the standard at our club. If you can't do it, then you're not good enough. Go and play for Stoke or something.
I'm not interested in keeping players at the club who don't put the effort in. All the talent in the world means nothing without the right attitude and approach.
Except he's still a kid. That should never be the expectation for a 20 year old player.
I think that was due to 1 practice session. Article could be using that past tweet to stir up an article. Maybe they have a bone to pick with Januzaj because Januzaj denied the call up to play for Belgium's u21 side.
Hope you're not too disappointed that you have to take him back; it's only a one-year loan spell.
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