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I'm not interested in keeping players at the club who don't put the effort in. All the talent in the world means nothing without the right attitude and approach.

Didn't he take a personal trainer with him on holiday over the summer though? It'd seem strange that he'd go to that sort of effort on his holiday (when he could have just lay in front of the beach for a week with his feet up), yet when it comes to his actual job/training he lacks effort?
 
Didn't he take a personal trainer with him on holiday over the summer though? It'd seem strange that he'd go to that sort of effort on his holiday (when he could have just lay in front of the beach for a week with his feet up), yet when it comes to his actual job/training he lacks effort?

I've got mates that would do the same if they could afford it.
 
I guess every manager wants his team to play simple yet effective when they can, but most of them also allow some creative freedom as long as it's beneficial to the team. In Dortmund's case Hummels is allowed to wander up to the opponent's box when he feels like it, Gündogan is allowed to do his very high risk dribblings during build up and Mkhitaryan is allowed to play pretty selfish with his attempts to blaze through the opposition's defense or his long shots.
And it's not exactly like Januzaj made some sudden change when he joined Dortmund. I'd be surprised if Tuchel didn't know perfectly well that Januzaj has a strong tendency to take on opponents. If that bothered him he probably wouldn't have signed him and kept Kuba.
I wouldn't agree with your comments regarding Hummels, Gündogan or Mkhitaryan but let's for arguments say you're reading Tuchel's mind correctly: The big question is if Januzaj gets Tuchel's green light for large degrees of freedom which I would seriously doubt.
Furthermore, it's not too far fetched to guess that Tuchel had hopes that under his wing, Januzaj would become more of a team player than striving on showing the world his technical abilities. It's a pity that he doesn't seem to adapt quickly.
 
Wasn't it a common problem through the youth ranks at Anderlecht that Januzaj was a pretty stubborn and troublesome person to adapt? Thought i read that somewhere.
 
I wouldn't agree with your comments regarding Hummels, Gündogan or Mkhitaryan but let's for arguments say you're reading Tuchel's mind correctly: The big question is if Januzaj gets Tuchel's green light for large degrees of freedom which I would seriously doubt.
Furthermore, it's not too far fetched to guess that Tuchel had hopes that under his wing, Januzaj would become more of a team player than striving on showing the world his technical abilities. It's a pity that he doesn't seem to adapt quickly.

I'm beginning to think we rate Januzaj's performances completely different. I think thus far his dribblings have mostly been beneficial to the team. He opened up spaces for his team mates and most of the time he didn't get carried away, but played the passes to exploit them. Only against Qäbälä I had the impression that he was overly selfish. Obviously he still has a lot of work ahead of him regarding his decision making, but I really can't believe that Tuchel/Zorc would buy/loan someone like him who is all about individuality and then try
to force him into the template of a run of the mill player.
 
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Hope you're not too disappointed that you have to take him back; it's only a one-year loan spell.

If United give up on the kid, I´m all for taking the risk and signing him permanently. United is not known to look for much value in most of their sells so the fee should be reasonable.

No matter how much people start to write him off on here, the boy is still a massive talent. Once he would really become our player, we could actually start treating him like the talent he is instead of just a squad option.

What the boy needs the most right now is time and trust to on one hand develop as player but also to be integrated in the tactical system. Time is something we currently don´t have as we play most weeks twice which means two proper training sessions (one of the dedicated to the preperation of the next game) and un terms of trust he is rightfully far down the internal ranking as he is simply won´t be there long enough to invest many chances in. The last point would instantly change if we would become a "singing for the future" for us. And time would also be there in the winter break and then a proper pre season. The timing of his transfer was fairly disadvantageous for him because we were already in the season by then and he missed the time when the foundations of the system were layed. To see the importance of a proper pre season I just need to take a look at Sahin and Kagawa, who both struggled in the first six months despite actually knowing the majority of the team.
 
By themselves? Nope. If all parties agree on it, then I don´t see a reason why it should not be possible, though. For that to happen one of our initial permanent solutions (e.g. Yarmolenko) would have to become available, though. Unless we sign someone new there is no chance we agree on terminating it. The boy costs us nearly nothing and as squad player for desperate times (two or more longtime injuries in the offense) he is sitll good enough. It is also not like Tuchel denies him minutes on purpose right now, though. He is simply nowehere near the level of the starters and even the first rotation option (Castro) at the moment.

Which is why it's mad to have sent him to you. He would certainly have had more minutes here.
 
Wasn't it a common problem through the youth ranks at Anderlecht that Januzaj was a pretty stubborn and troublesome person to adapt? Thought i read that somewhere.
Anderlecht's academy director said "there are 12-, 13-, 14-year-olds who have earrings and special hair, but Adnan was a nice quiet boy, and when I see him now playing for Man United, he has not changed,” he said. "Adnan was a nice player, and technically very, very skilled, very intelligent on the pitch -- a hard worker, but a silent worker."

He was also roundly praised by our youth coaches for his attitude and hard work.
 
I'm beginning to think we rate Januzaj's performances completely different. I think thus far his dribblings have mostly been beneficial to the team. He opened up spaces for his team mates and most of the time and didn't get carried away, but played the passes to exploit them. Only against Qäbälä I had the impression that he was overly selfish. Obviously he still has a lot of work ahead of him regarding his decision making, but I really can't believe that Tuchel/Zorc would buy/loan someone like him who is all about individuality and then try
to force him into the template of a run of the mill player.
Obviously we do rate him very differently. Regarding your last point: It's not about changing him into a mill player. It's about using his strengths for the benefit of the team and adhere to the tactics as requested by Tuchel. It hasn't been written allover Adnan's face that he'd struggle to adapt.

Someone here - can't remember if it was @Sphaero or somebody else - raised the question during the first days of his loan move if the education of tactics at United's or in general English clubs' academies prepared Adnan for what will be demanded at Dortmund. A to me even more interesting question after those 2.5 months.

If United give up on the kid, I´m all for taking the risk and signing him permanently. United is not known to look for much value in most of their sells so the fee should be reasonable.
Out of curiosity: What would be reasonable in your opinion? Even if the fee is affordable, I'm not convinced Adnan would be interested in a permanent move to us. Personally, I'd rather like to see an extension of Mkhitaryan's contract than anything else.
 
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Obviously we do rate him very differently. Regarding your last point: It's not about changing him into a mill player. It's about using his strengths for the benefit of the team and adhere to the tactics as requested by Tuchel. It hasn't been written allover Adnan's face that he'd struggle to

Someone here - can't remember if it was @Sphaero or somebody else - raised the question during the first days of his loan move if the education of tactics at United's or in general English clubs' academies prepared Adnan for what will be demanded at Dortmund. A to me even more interesting question after those 2.5 months.

I pointed out the differences in style between Dortmund and United, which had the potential to become a problem for Januzaj because of the lack of a pre season. It is not really about one system being more demanding than the other, but the differences especially when it comes to defensive contribution are obvious. I was in general extremely sceptical about this move as it contradicted the main thought behind a loan (consistent game time). Him being able to become anything close to a real starter was unrealistic from the start.

Out of curiosity: What would be reasonable in your opinion? Even if the fee is affordable, I'm not convinced Adnan would be interested in a permanent move to us. Personally, I'd rather like to see an extension of Mkhitaryan's contract than anything else.

Everything up to 20 Mil. €. But of course the contract extensions of the established players take priority over any signing.
 
I pointed out the differences in style between Dortmund and United, which had the potential to become a problem for Januzaj because of the lack of a pre season. It is not really about one system being more demanding than the other, but the differences especially when it comes to defensive contribution are obvious. I was in general extremely sceptical about this move as it contradicted the main thought behind a loan (consistent game time). Him being able to become anything close to a real starter was unrealistic from the start.
Thanks, then it was somebody else, possibly also in another thread.
 
Anderlecht's academy director said "there are 12-, 13-, 14-year-olds who have earrings and special hair, but Adnan was a nice quiet boy, and when I see him now playing for Man United, he has not changed,” he said. "Adnan was a nice player, and technically very, very skilled, very intelligent on the pitch -- a hard worker, but a silent worker."

He was also roundly praised by our youth coaches for his attitude and hard work.

Hmm guess i read it wrong then. Ty for the answer.
 
What a joke.Adnan is a quite hard worker on training according to the coaches.People began to sprout nonsense again whenever things seem to not going well for a youngster.
 
It's Derby time today in Dortmund (15:30 local time), and Adnan will be on the bench.
 
they were losing 3-0 when he came on... he made a nice difference today. this won't escape the manager's eye.

He would need to surpass one of Reus/Mkhitaryan + Castro in the pecking order. Their usual defeat vs Hamburg won't change that.
 
Some quotes from Van Gaal about Januzaj:

“In a club like Borussia Dortmund all the players there are also of a certain level and I said in advance that's a big risk for you because you have to compete with other players of a higher level and that is not so easy,” says the Reds boss.

“It's the same thing as in Manchester United. He has to compete with higher level players. I want him to play all the matches and that is why I want to play him also in the Premier League but he chose for Borussia Dortmund.”

So has it been a bad move for Januzaj's progress then?

“We have to wait and see because now he doesn't play but he has the talent to play,” added Louis.

“I am certain he has the talent to play but he has to learn a lot of things. Not only is talent important but also it is the character to develop your talent. And he can learn that.”

edit: didn't realize there were two threads about Januzaj.
 
Some quotes from Van Gaal about Januzaj:



edit: didn't realize there were two threads about Januzaj.

Maybe he will buckle up after realising that he can't just walk into the first team at Dortmund either.

I don't think he has a bad attitude, but his first season success could've made him a bit lax and thinking that he already was good enough for Man Utd.

Now he is at another club, developing his football brain while also being kept grounded by facing hard competition.

Maybe this is good for him after all, he is still only 20 so there is alot of time for him to fulfill his potential.
 
Some quotes from Van Gaal about Januzaj:



edit: didn't realize there were two threads about Januzaj.
That's a bit strange. Your manager tells you that you need to play every week and hence you should go to a PL club and do that, but he wants to go to Dortmund and still be at a big club. Hopefully the kid's attitude isn't that he expects to be in the big time before he's good enough to because eventually if develops he will comfortably good enough to be.
 
Every indication shows that this is the case.
Yeah it seems so. Hopefully this Dortmund spell ends up being the thing that makes him, either through him becoming a starter (doubtful), or setting him on the right path.
 
That's a bit strange. Your manager tells you that you need to play every week and hence you should go to a PL club and do that, but he wants to go to Dortmund and still be at a big club. Hopefully the kid's attitude isn't that he expects to be in the big time before he's good enough to because eventually if develops he will comfortably good enough to be.
Hardly the first player to do so, though. I remember Macheda was advised by the club to go on loan in England but he chose Italy instead. Turned out to be a very poor choice.

I can see the allure of turning out for Dortmund (plus playing CL football) instead of a relegation contender in the PL. The training facilities and the level of coaching would be a step down as well. And who knows what his agent has been advising him? Like you, I just hope he can react to this situation correctly and it somehow turns into a plus for him.
 
Hardly the first player to do so, though. I remember Macheda was advised by the club to go on loan in England but he chose Italy instead. Turned out to be a very poor choice.

I can see the allure of turning out for Dortmund (plus playing CL football) instead of a relegation contender in the PL. The training facilities and the level of coaching would be a step down as well. And who knows what his agent has been advising him? Like you, I just hope he can react to this situation correctly and it somehow turns into a plus for him.

Definitely. It's a cool club. Good players, coaches, facilities etc. If I was a professional footballer it would be very high on my list of clubs I'd like to play at. When he looks back on his career he'll probably have some great memories. It's got to be a lot more appealing than spending a season at Sunderland.

I think in the short term it will hurt him because he probably won't play enough impress LVG etc. But hopefully he will learn a lot that he can take with him going forward. FWIW I still think he's going to be a terrific player. Even as it stands he just needs to strengthen up a bit and learn how to protect the ball a bit better and he'd be more than decent.
 
BVB: Weidenfeller, Piszczek, Hummels, Bender, Schmelzer, Weigl, Gündogan, Hofmann, Castro, Mkhitaryan, Ramos

yet again no Januzaj in the starting lineup
 
ridiculous. just how bad IS his attitude to not get a look in? he had a really good cameo in the last match and still no starting place in spite of the lack of attacking players dortmund have opted to field.

what an asinine loan this has been, whether it's his fault or United's.
 
yet again no Januzaj in the starting lineup
This is really worrying, if you consider that Auba, Reus and Kagawa are rested. When is he supposed to get playing time if not today?
 
ridiculous. just how bad IS his attitude to not get a look in? he had a really good cameo in the last match and still no starting place in spite of the lack of attacking players dortmund have opted to field.

what an asinine loan this has been, whether it's his fault or United's.

Lack of attacking players? Mkhitaryan has been one of Dortmund's best players this season and Castro is the first choice replacement for the AM positions, so it was basically Hofmann vs Januzaj for the last spot.

This is really worrying, if you consider that Auba, Reus and Kagawa are rested. When is he supposed to get playing time if not today?

Yes, it's really shitty for Januzaj. But at the same time this isn't exactly a surprising development or malicious on Tuchel's part. There was always a good chance it would be like this. Aside from Reus Dortmund's attacking players simply haven't been injured so it's the same problem for Hofmann.
 
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We need strength in numbers, we're seriously lacking in squad depth and it's crazy we're loaning out a player in this situation.

Get him back.
 
Reading through this thread I didn't realise Adnan had an 'attitude' problem:confused: It never occurred to me. If he does, I hope he sorts it out or it would be a waste of his talents. I always thought he was a little too timid, and that was why I was happy he went on loan away from the pressure of United so he could gain some confidence. Interested to see how this pans out..
 
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