Yes, maybe they'll sell us their Ramos.
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Yes, maybe they'll sell us their Ramos.
Playing really well today, been Dortmund's best attacker. If only his shot had gone in, would have been the perfect game.
He meant Kagawa...
That would coincide with a new poster subtly named Mad Winger 2.0 signing up to the Caf!
involved in both goals. went a bit missing in the second half because of being played centrally. was best when given freedom to roam. hopefully tuchel will stop playing him there
Not sure if Kagawa is interested.
Instead of trying to be number 10 so much, id try win that right wing position if I was him. Id pay close attention to how Mata plays and try see what qualities LVG likes in Juan. Mata plays like a wide number 10, you would think that with Adnan's skill set, that role would be perfect for him and us.
Dortmund is definitely the right fit for him. Good loan deal.
Imagine what he'd be like playing for Man Utd....
Good loan deal. Whatever the cost is to us of not having him this season, him developing as a player will be worth it.
It's because he has freedom to go wherever. It's a lot like how he played for the youth teams. Whenever he played on the wing for United he didn't have the same freedom. He was everywhere today. Right wing, centrally, left wing, and up top in the 2nd half.
Yeah, sure, I mean who the hell is this scrub Marco Reus anyway, right? People put also way too much emphasis on fixed positions in our system. Maybe the game today was misleading, because it was by far the most static offensive formation we played in this season so far, especially in the first half (probably because both Park and Januzaj are not completely used to the movement,yet). Our front four unsually interchanges positions way more than they did today. The spot on the team sheet is often not important, because the offensive players of us are expected to move in large radiuses anyway.
I also disagree with the poster, who said that being played centrally resulted in his fading from the game. He had some of his best scenes being played as lead of the offense line in the first 20-25 minutes of the second half. The reason he fell off at the end is way more simpler than where he was played: He was visibly tired, which led to his movement being less sharp than for the rest of the game, which in turn limited his contribution to the offense. This was both expected and completely alright at this point.
Furthermore, I seriously doubt that Januzaj approaches his time with us with the goal to play the closest to what LvG wants to see in an offensive midfielder or like Juan Mata. If he would do that, he can pack his bags again already, because that is not why he is there. We have not loaned him to prepare him for his future United career, but to play him where he is needed and do what Tuchel demands of him (which could be very different thing to what van Gaal wants). At least for this season the only thing that matters is what Tuchel wants, because he decides how much game time he gets. It is Januzaj´s job to adapt to our style or else thinking about making the start XI would not even be a concern anymore, because he would struggle to get minutes.
Did he play on the right wing? How did he do?
Oh I meant if/when he comes back to United, not talking about Dortmund in my post.
cant agree with that. apart from a turn and a shot and a shot from outside the box which was blocked he didnt do much in the second half till he was shifted back to the left (where he played a part in the second goal). Aubameyang also became ineffective when he was shifted to the right to accommodate januzaj in a central position which ulitmately lead to him being substituted for ramos.
when januzaj was allowed to roam he did well. just like mikhitaryan kagawa reus and even mata hes a creative player who functions best in the channel between the wing and central areas and thats where he should be operating not centrally.
For Utd, I don't know about that because it certainly doesn't come across during games. Our intensity levels during games are quite pathetic really and we look almost lethargic (when in possession).
If the recent comments LVG made with regards to Rooney and Carrick coming to speak to him are anything to go by, I think LVG's sessions are probably lengthy and require energy/stamina.
Tuchel's sessions are probably intensive in the Barca 7 second mould, which is what we should be striving to do. It's all good theory to have these '3 stages of transition' but the more direct and effective thing would be absolute bat sh|t crazy intense pressing within 7 seconds of losing the ball and applying that when attacking the goal, than trying to naively draw out your average (league and european) team, who is super fit, tactically sound and more than decent on the goal not to mention having goal threat themselves.
Ok rant over. Sorry.
Gonna try and find highlights for Januzaj's game tonight. Cheers for the updates!
I honestly prefer to see Januzaj out wide anyway - he has some pace and the ability to beat a man. I see him as an inside forward along the same lines as Memphis, Nani, Robben or Bale, rather than a "crossing" winger or a wide #10 a-la Mata.
There is an argument to be had that you want variation in your wide players, and with Memphis on the left, our team balance is better if we have someone on the other side who can offer something a bit different, but I have not really been convinced by Januzaj in a central role. If anything I could see him as a False 9 playing centrally, but not as the #10 for me - we should strive to find someone like Silva for that.
There is an argument to be had that you want variation in your wide players, and with Memphis on the left, our team balance is better if we have someone on the other side who can offer something a bit different, but I have not really been convinced by Januzaj in a central role. If anything I could see him as a False 9 playing centrally, but not as the #10 for me - we should strive to find someone like Silva for that.
Hope to god that we don't feck it up with this guy. He has the talent to make it here
This loan deal is starting to make more and more sense to me.
Game time aside (he probably could of got a comparable amount of minutes at UTD), I think the move to a different club and different country is good for his personal development.
At Dortmund he is not the golden boy from the academy, the great hope who was given the #11 jersey. He is just another footballer who has to prove his worth and fight for his spot.
I am not saying he was complacent at UTD, but this loan could have a very positive effect on his attitude and personality
Game time aside (he probably could of got a comparable amount of minutes at UTD), I think the move to a different club and different country is good for his personal development.
At Dortmund he is not the golden boy from the academy, the great hope who was given the #11 jersey. He is just another footballer who has to prove his worth and fight for his spot.
I am not saying he was complacent at UTD, but this loan could have a very positive effect on his attitude and personality
Good solid performance. That shot on the turn was excellent. Taking their set pieces too, good to see.
That turn and shot at 5:23...remind anyone of Macheda's goal?
Looks like he had a really good game. I like many was disappointed we let him go but if he continues to get chances I think it can only be good for him. (Even though we could have made use of him).
So this could work out like Matic or De Bruyne, without the whole being sold and bought back again thing.
or maybe he ends up being one of those players who shine elsewhere but don't seem to fit English football. Hopefully it's your way though...
We sure there isnt a fee set?
It could go either way alright. The fact he's spent so much of his footballing education in England, as well as putting in some excellent PL performances means he has a better chance than most of making the transition. That's why I mentioned Matic and De Bruyne. Neither of them are as big a gamble as someone with no experience of English football.
It is highly unlikely that he makes such a big jump in his development as those two did. Matic and De Bruyne had completely different standings at their clubs. If they were fit, they played. For Adnan, it is basically the opposite, he has to hope that one of the regulars are not fit, so he gets starts in the bigger games.
He had a good start with us but you can expect that he returns to the bench again for the next game vs. Leverkusen, because Reus has participated in the team training today without any problems.
I think we can safely assume there isn't. But there have been whisperings of first option. There was no loan fee and I think we are still paying his wages. This move is strictly for his development imo.
Very good performance that.
They did at the end, yes. They started off exactly like Januzaj though. Needing to prove themselves and force their way into the team at the expense of established players.
I have the feeling that Januzaj still lacks a lot in terms of tactical or positional awareness.
The way Dortmund are set up you have the fullbacks playing the winger role and the 3 AMs are working in the center or half spaces, most of the time they clump up a bit left of the center, since that's the side where Hummels and Mkhitaryan play and Kagawa naturally tends to drift to the left too, when the opponents then react by shifting to their side (if they don't Dortmund threaten to overload very dangerous areas) it leaves a massive gap on their other wing, which Dortmund/Ginter often exploit with a quick switch to the other side.
Januzaj on the other hand seems to stay wide a lot of the times, where he takes away the space of the full back and leaves Dortmund with a man down in the center of the pitch, which makes them a lot more rigid.
So you think Bremen and Dortmund are comparable?
To make things clearer: de Bruyne started every single match bar one where he was injured very late into the season. Bremen was already a shadow of it's former self and bar de Bruyne none of their offensive players would probably be even close to making the Dortmund bench this year.
The way Dortmund are set up you have the fullbacks playing the winger role and the 3 AMs are working in the center or half spaces, most of the time they clump up a bit left of the center, since that's the side where Hummels and Mkhitaryan play and Kagawa naturally tends to drift to the left too, when the opponents then react by shifting to their side (if they don't Dortmund threaten to overload very dangerous areas) it leaves a massive gap on their other wing, which Dortmund/Ginter often exploit with a quick switch to the other side.
Januzaj on the other hand seems to stay wide a lot of the times, where he takes away the space of the full back and leaves Dortmund with a man down in the center of the pitch, which makes them a lot more rigid.
So you think Bremen and Dortmund are comparable?
To make things clearer: de Bruyne started every single match bar one where he was injured very late into the season. Bremen was already a shadow of it's former self and bar de Bruyne none of their offensive players would probably be even close to making the Dortmund bench this year.
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Matic and De Bryne were much older. Januzaj is far more of a work-in-progress. I'm very confident of him making it with us. Hopefully this season pushes his development along nicely before he comes back to us next season.
I'm not expecting him to come back as a world beater, but definitely having him back on the back of a good season will be great.
I'm not expecting him to come back as a world beater, but definitely having him back on the back of a good season will be great.
I'm assuming that's not his argument. Maybe one of the more established attackers gets sidelined for a couple of months (not wishing injury on the players mind), and Adnan delivers good performances to hang on to the role; or maybe Kagawa's (to cite one player) form drops off, and Adnan dislodges him as the starter after impressing Tuchel in the training ground (starts delivering on the manager's demands), and keeps on building from there. Just situations of that nature, a lot can change quickly in football, and there are multiple factors that we can't account for right now. No one thought Kaka would displace Rui Costa, the assumption was he was heading out on loan. Not drawing a parallel, but just to illustrate the point.
Every young player needs one big opportunity to break through, and step up a level in terms of performances. Matic and De Bruyne got theirs at Benfica and Bremen, and delivered with aplomb, even though both were largely written off by a lot of Chelsea fans. Maybe Januzaj will get his at Dortmund, maybe he won't, maybe Tuchel will be reluctant to rely on him heavily as a starter given the nature of the loan deal. Bremen wasn't comparable to Dortmund, but that's beside the point.
Very good performance, still think he should be here with us, as I saw enough in the few games he played to show he could have had a decent season. Anyway lets hope he is with us next season full of confidence.
Yeah but KdB (can't comment on Matic at Benfica, since I don't watch that league) didn't have to wait for maybes to happen. When he joined them he already was one of their first options. Him playing most matches was expected.
Januzaj joined Dortmund with the perspective to be a bench player, which makes both loans rather different in nature.
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