[luckyspurs]

I don't know how anyone could have watched him and not rate him or think "maybe he isn't just that good". At his age, where was Ronaldo. What people fail to understand is that young players have that inconsistency about them, LVG has his reasons for not playing him, and I'd wager that it has nothing to do with quality, because he has it. We have this tendency to underrate our own at times, it's annoying, he's good enough and will get better.

When you consider how good Eriksen, Oscar, Hazard, Coutinho, Sterling, Isco, Gotze, Draxler, Rodriguez and Koke are all just a couple of years older, do you see him being that good in a couple of years time?

If he isn't then he's overrated by most United fans if anything.

The world is littered with brilliant 22 year old attacking midfielders.

 

[kouroux]

When you consider how good Eriksen, Oscar, Hazard, Coutinho, Sterling, Isco, Gotze, Draxler, Rodriguez and Koke are all just a couple of years older, do you see him being that good in a couple of years time.

If he isn't then he's overrated by most United fans if anything.

The world is littered with brilliant 22 year old attacking midfielders.

You don't even need to take players who are older, most of the guys you listed, as the same age of Januzay, were still clearly much better than him currently. He has time on his side but not sure Utd is the right club for him right now.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

It's funny that when a Di Maria comes back from injury and plays 3-4 bad games he will get sympathy but this kid gets like 20 minutes every month and people start getting on his back just on that. On a side note I saw watching a recent interview of his where he mentioned his football heroes to be Giggs , Ronaldo and Riquelme which is kind of funny because Riquelme was also completely sidelined by Lvg

 

[Successful]

Silva ? Mata ? Fabregas ? Iniesta ? Going few years back Xavi, Scholes.

RVP wasn't really a great athelete either. Then Suarez is terms of strength.

Can go on..

Not getting your point here.

They are all very good players. I would argue that Iniesta and Fabregas have average strenght for a footballer. They also have extreme talent. Some of them don't even use their physics in game situations.

As I said Ronaldo - he was really good with us, but he reached a world level of class when he became athletic. The same thing goes for Bale. To me this is the new kind of footballer. Bale is not a special player without his speed and power. If you were to put him in a role like Zidane/Pirlo/Scholes where he was suppose to play the ball around and not making runs at goal I'm sure he would be quite average.

RVP strikes me as a pretty fit guy but not the kind of guy with a lot of muscles like Heskey. It's a fine line bulking up but still being able to keep athletic.

What makes you think he isn't working on his physique?

The past 2 years and the fact that he's looking like an 18 year old boy. He should be in the process of coming out of his shell. I am thinking about a kind of transformation like Bale and Shaw.

Wtf are they doing in the classroom learning physics? Get out onto the pitch I say.

 

[legball]

When you consider how good Eriksen, Oscar, Hazard, Coutinho, Sterling, Isco, Gotze, Draxler, Rodriguez and Koke are all just a couple of years older, do you see him being that good in a couple of years time?

If he isn't then he's overrated by most United fans if anything.

The world is littered with brilliant 22 year old attacking midfielders.

So,if he's not as good as them, then he's rubbish and we shouldn't bother about him? Don't be stupid.

 

[legball]

At his age, Ronaldo was playing pretty regularly for United, scoring goals etc. He's not another Ronaldo. He's a good player but he'll come nowhere close to having his career.

Did I say he'll come close to Ronaldo? He was not scoring goals, he was doing stupid step overs and falling over most of the time. Januzaj is more than a good player, he's a fantastic young player than cost us nothing or close to it.

 

[legball]

When you consider how good Eriksen, Oscar, Hazard, Coutinho, Sterling, Isco, Gotze, Draxler, Rodriguez and Koke are all just a couple of years older, do you see him being that good in a couple of years time?

If he isn't then he's overrated by most United fans if anything.

The world is littered with brilliant 22 year old attacking midfielders.

And he can be better than your Eriksen who is nothing special. You always have nothing good to say about United, so I don't take your seriously, small club fan.

 

[UweBein]

I don't know how anyone could have watched him and not rate him or think "maybe he isn't just that good". At his age, where was Ronaldo. What people fail to understand is that young players have that inconsistency about them,....

Which Ronaldo do you mean? You could argue that Cristiano had a similar first season at United, but in his second season he was basically a regular.
Not all young players are inconsistent. Ronaldo had scored 35 goals in a season when he was 19. Many players have done better than Januzaj at his age. But not all of them have played for a big club at his age. I do think that it's more difficult for a young attacking player to break through at a club like United. If you are just a very good young player that may very well not be good enough at a club of United's status.

Even though its youtube highlights thats just from his break out year, and you can see even against chelsea, constantly taking on defenders, getting quality passes in final third, creating chances, exactly the type of player we`ve been crying out for years, even better hes home grown in a way

That is true, but looking at the video you can actually perfectly understand why van Gaal won't give him too many chances.
He looks good but he seems to play kind of within his own system. He had some brilliant passes in the video but also some where he is basically playing a blind pass into no man's land

 

[luckyspurs]

And he can be better than your Eriksen who is nothing special. You always have nothing good to say about United, so I don't take your seriously, small club fan.

I think Januzaj's overrated by people who think he's levels above Eriksen and Oscar, Falcao's overpriced, Shaw is a great defender but needs to improve his confidence in attack and Di Maria's a less effective though better to watch player than Bale.

Other than that, I'm always praising the likes of Rooney, De Gea, Di Maria, Carrick, Blind, Van Persie, Rafael, Smalling, Herrera and others. I don't have to think every United player is brilliant to use this site, just because I'm a Tottenham fan. You no doubt think Eriksen, Lloris, Kane and Vertonghen aside, every player in our team is complete rubbish. So I'm allowed to have my opinions too.

On the Eriksen and Januzaj comparison; Januzaj could do with watching him along with Di Maria and Rooney, particularly in terms of decision making and opening up space in the middle and final third. Eriksen learned from Bergkamp remember, so he had great tutoring of his own.

In the Premier League so far. Eriksen scores twice as often as Januzaj (3.5 to 1.7 every 900 minutes), creates 50% more chances (29 to 19 every 900 minutes), dribbles better (56% to 51%), tackles substantially better (50% to 34%) and loses the ball a lot less (21% to 27% of possessions).

 

[soap]

Did you actually watch him, or just remember his 4 goals in perfect detail and built the idea of him being a great finisher off the back of it?

Taken 61 shots in his United league career; over half of them from inside the box, so these weren't hopeful efforts from distance. 13 on target (21%), 26 off target (43%) and 22 blocked (36%).

Take somebody like Coutinho (2 years older, way better in general play, but known as a rubbish finisher). Took 138 shots; 40 on target (29%), 57 off target (41%) and 41 blocked (30%).

Januzaj's one of the least accurate prolific shooters in the Premier League. He just is.

You can stat dump all you want, it doesn't make your assertion that Januzaj is a much worse finisher than Zaha any less silly. As I said, there are far too many intangibles in football to let stats dictate how you judge a player as much as you seem to be doing. That's why I get the impression you haven't actually seen him play that much. Yyou said earlier he's a great crosser, for examples. While his crossing is pretty good and all, I think most people on here would agree his touch, vision and balance are his main attributes, and I've not heard anyone complain that he's particularly wasteful in front of goal. He's not a particularly good finisher but you're going on as if his finishing is as bad as some donkey like Soldado

 

[luckyspurs]

You can stat dump all you want, it doesn't make your assertion that Januzaj is a much worse finisher than Zaha any less silly. As I said, there are far too many intangibles in football to let stats dictate how you judge a player as much as you seem to be doing. That's why I get the impression you haven't actually seen him play that much. Yyou said earlier he's a great crosser, for examples. While his crossing is pretty good and all, I think most people on here would agree his touch, vision and balance are his main attributes, and I've not heard anyone complain that he's particularly wasteful in front of goal. He's not a particularly good finisher but you're going on as if his finishing is as bad as some donkey like Soldado

I've seen him loads. You never worry about him on the edge of the box, you know he's probably going to strike it wrong. I just wanted to see it was backed up statistically. He's about 10% worse than Coutinho and everyone knows Coutinho takes more shots than Andros Townsend and ends up with about 5 goals a season if he's lucky.

Sanchez worries you, Hazard worries you, players like Oscar and Eriksen increasingly worry you. Januzaj you'd rather he shot than crossed because he's more likely to find a team-mate than make the goalkeeper work. It's a major reason why he doesn't play as one of the main attackers; people aren't scared of his finishing, they just look to mark the players he's passing to.

His vision is great, but balance and touch isn't. I said this the other day, if he dribbles better he has the passing to be great. His touch is still extremely heavy compared to guys like Eriksen and Oscar and dozens of others that age. Balance for me is being able to get where you want to; he so easy to muscle down the wing or into a corner. Watch it next time he plays, he's worse placed after the dribble than he was when he got the ball. Players like Hazard, Eriksen and Coutinho it's the opposite.

Passing's great but he needs someone to teach him how and when to dribble. Crossing's great, but he needs the dual threat of getting more than 1 shot in 5 on target. When you can score and assist, you become a nightmare; now, he's quite easy to handle and teams are realising that.

 

[legball]

I think Januzaj's overrated by people who think he's levels above Eriksen and Oscar, Falcao's overpriced, Shaw is a great defender but needs to improve his confidence in attack and Di Maria's a less effective though better to watch player than Bale.

Other than that, I'm always praising the likes of Rooney, De Gea, Di Maria, Carrick, Blind, Van Persie, Rafael, Smalling, Herrera and others. I don't have to think every United player is brilliant to use this site, just because I'm a Tottenham fan. You no doubt think Eriksen, Lloris, Kane and Vertonghen aside, every player in our team is complete rubbish. So I'm allowed to have my opinions too.

On the Eriksen and Januzaj comparison; Januzaj could do with watching him along with Di Maria and Rooney, particularly in terms of decision making and opening up space in the middle and final third. Eriksen learned from Bergkamp remember, so he had great tutoring of his own.

In the Premier League so far. Eriksen scores twice as often as Januzaj (3.5 to 1.7 every 900 minutes), creates 50% more chances (29 to 19 every 900 minutes), dribbles better (56% to 51%), tackles substantially better (50% to 34%) and loses the ball a lot less (21% to 27% of possessions).

Christ, I've not seen one person who said he's above Oscar or even Eriksen, yet, I think in time he has the talent to be far better than the likes of Eriksen [who is nothing special, i repeat] and Coutinho, Oscar is 3 times the player Eriksen could ever be, so, let's not go there. It's not easy to thrive under the circumstances he did last season, and to do it mostly for a full season, he's fantastic and he'll surely start for most club at Spurs level.

 

[Feed Me]

When you consider how good Eriksen, Oscar, Hazard, Coutinho, Sterling, Isco, Gotze, Draxler, Rodriguez and Koke are all just a couple of years older, do you see him being that good in a couple of years time?

If he isn't then he's overrated by most United fans if anything.

The world is littered with brilliant 22 year old attacking midfielders.

There are no words to describe how stupid this post is.

Januzaj is 19 years old - given the ability he already has in his locker, it's not at all inconceivable that he could be at a high level by the time he's 22.

All of the above mentioned players will have had lulls in their development. We're talking about a young player who has had half an underwhelming season after a very promising breakthrough.

 

[Feed Me]

@luckyspurs

P.S. Your critique of Januzaj is particularly bizarre given your very own Harry Kane has suddenly burst into form. I can't think of a much better example of everything suddenly falling into place for a young player.

 

[soap]

I've seen him loads. You never worry about him on the edge of the box, you know he's probably going to strike it wrong. I just wanted to see it was backed up statistically. He's about 10% worse than Coutinho and everyone knows Coutinho takes more shots than Andros Townsend and ends up with about 5 goals a season if he's lucky.

Sanchez worries you, Hazard worries you, players like Oscar and Eriksen increasingly worry you. Januzaj you'd rather he shot than crossed because he's more likely to find a team-mate than make the goalkeeper work. It's a major reason why he doesn't play as one of the main attackers; people aren't scared of his finishing, they just look to mark the players he's passing to.

His vision is great, but balance and touch isn't. I said this the other day, if he dribbles better he has the passing to be great. His touch is still extremely heavy compared to guys like Eriksen and Oscar and dozens of others that age. Balance for me is being able to get where you want to; he so easy to muscle down the wing or into a corner. Watch it next time he plays, he's worse placed after the dribble than he was when he got the ball. Players like Hazard, Eriksen and Coutinho it's the opposite.

Passing's great but he needs someone to teach him how and when to dribble. Crossing's great, but he needs the dual threat of getting more than 1 shot in 5 on target. When you can score and assist, you become a nightmare; now, he's quite easy to handle and teams are realising that.

What you're talking about would be lack of strength rather than balance. He can wriggle away from defenders in tight situations that most players can't, especially at his age. Maybe agility is a better word, the two are interlinked anyway. He does go down blind alleys more than you'd like, which is why I didn't cite dribbling as one of his strengths, you saying his touch is heavy though... I honestly can't see where you're getting that from. Not sure why youre comparing him to Eriksen Coutinho and Oscar, what had they done when they were 18?

 

[UweBein]

...It's not easy to thrive under the circumstances he did last season, and to do it mostly for a full season, he's fantastic and he'll surely start for most club at Spurs level.

Most wouldn't dispute that. But the next question is, will he be able to thrive at United then?

Btw, Eriksen bagged 8 goals in 40something games when he was as old as Januzaj is now.
Januzaj won't get that many appearances this season.

 

[luckyspurs]

@luckyspurs

P.S. Your critique of Januzaj is particularly bizarre given your very own Harry Kane has suddenly burst into form. I can't think of a much better example of everything suddenly falling into place for a young player.

Kane scored 18 in 19 starts this season to get compared to Sheringham and talked about as superior to Crouch and Bent. He'd be getting praise whatever his age; if Januzaj was Chadli's age he'd be performing worse than one of the least praised wingers in the top half of the table.

Spurs players have to be incredible for a season or great for 2 or 3 to get any hype and people still think they'll be rubbish at big clubs (Modric, Bale, Van Der Vaart, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Kane and Lloris). United players need youth, vague potential and about 10 good games in 2 seasons to be considered the same level.

 

[DWelbz19]

The stats, man. The stats.

 

[dirkey]

Did I say he'll come close to Ronaldo? He was not scoring goals, he was doing stupid step overs and falling over most of the time. Januzaj is more than a good player, he's a fantastic young player than cost us nothing or close to it.

In his first two seasons he got us 15 goals. All whilst adjusting to a new league and country where januzaj has been here a while. Why exactly did you compare them? I think januzaj is good, not fantastic, personally. Slightly over hyped here in my opinion. Hopefully he will develop to be that fantastic player but I do feel he's had more bad than good games overall.

 

[Feed Me]

Kane scored 18 in 19 starts this season to get compared to Sheringham and talked about as superior to Crouch and Bent. He'd be getting praise whatever his age; if Januzaj was Chadli's age he'd be performing worse than one of the least praised wingers in the top half of the table.

Spurs players have to be incredible for a season or great for 2 or 3 to get any hype and people still think they'll be rubbish at big clubs (Modric, Bale, Van Der Vaart, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Kane and Lloris). United players need youth, vague potential and about 10 good games in 2 seasons to be considered the same level.

Your second paragraph is absolute tripe. Spurs players get praise very quickly, hence your ability to extract big prices when you sell them.

On Januzaj, you're talking absolute nonsense - your dismissive attitude says it all about the football culture we have these days.

 

[luckyspurs]

On Januzaj, you're talking absolute nonsense - your dismissive attitude says it all about the football culture we have these days.

The culture of not hyping a kid to the heavens before he can create or finish like players among the most dismissed and piss-taken in the Premier League; with Van Persie, Rooney and Mata around him and taking teams completely by surprise.

If a Crystal Palace fan compared Bolasie to Nani off the back of a couple of dribbles, you'd say they were getting carried away. It's completely fair to say Januzaj has mountains to climb to reach Eriksen's level.

Every 1000 minutes (this and last season).

Chances created - Eriksen 32, Moses 23, Sigurdsson 22, Lamela 21, Chadli 20, Townsend 20, Januzaj 19

Goals involved - Eriksen 7, Chadli 6, Sigurdsson 6, Januzaj 3, Lamela 3, Moses 3, Townsend 2

Don't dismiss Moses, Sigurdsson, Lamela, Chadli and Townsend either please. There are hundreds of players to get through on the journey from talented unproductive youngster to Cristiano Ronaldo.

Don't remember every through ball or chance Januzaj made and assume Townsend and Moses and players like that aren't perfectly capable of doing it more regularly.

I don't dismiss people for having rubbish stats when they look the part and play visually great football with amazing close technique and talent; Isco, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Coutinho great examples.

A kid amongst the most miscontrols in the league this season, who runs down blind alleys almost every time he gets the ball and has created next to nothing since teams learned he can't shoot and holds onto the ball to long before passing, doesn't need to be talked up in order to enjoy and watch modern football.

I'm sorry but this thread got so carried away last year, it needs statistics to remind people that players like Townsend and Moses have been more creative and effective than the only evidence they yet have of Januzaj being a great player; what he achieved this and last season.

Below is the non-stat, probably and hopefully more interesting version.

You never worry about him on the edge of the box, you know he's probably going to strike it wrong. I just wanted to see it was backed up statistically. He's about 10% worse than Coutinho and everyone knows Coutinho takes more shots than Andros Townsend and ends up with about 5 goals a season if he's lucky.

Sanchez worries you, Hazard worries you, players like Oscar and Eriksen increasingly worry you. Januzaj you'd rather he shot than crossed because he's more likely to find a team-mate than make the goalkeeper work. It's a major reason why he doesn't play as one of the main attackers; people aren't scared of his finishing, they just look to mark the players he's passing to.

His vision is great, but balance and touch isn't. I said this the other day, if he dribbles better he has the passing to be great. His touch is still extremely heavy compared to guys like Eriksen and Oscar and dozens of others that age. Balance for me is being able to get where you want to; he so easy to muscle down the wing or into a corner. Watch it next time he plays, he's worse placed after the dribble than he was when he got the ball. Players like Hazard, Eriksen and Coutinho it's the opposite.

Passing's great but he needs someone to teach him how and when to dribble. Crossing's great, but he needs the dual threat of getting more than 1 shot in 5 on target. When you can score and assist, you become a nightmare; now, he's quite easy to handle and teams are realising that.

 

[Feed Me]

The culture of not hyping a kid to the heavens when he doesn't create or finish as well as some of the most utterly dismissed players in the Premier League.

Every 900 minutes (this and last season).

Chances created

Eriksen 29
Moses 21
Sigurdsson 20
Lamela 19
Chadli 18
Townsend 18
Januzaj 17

Goals involved

Eriksen 6
Chadli 5
Sigurdsson 5
Januzaj 3
Lamela 3
Moses 3
Townsend 2

Don't dismiss Moses, Sigurdsson, Lamela, Chadli and Townsend; not one of them. Stop remembering every through ball or chance Januzaj made and assuming Townsend and Moses and players like that aren't perfectly capable of doing it even more regularly.

All your post has done is illustrate that Januzaj is broadly comparable to a host of talented (but older) players. Not bad for someone who's still developing and has barely been in the side this year.

 

[TwoSheds]

Maybe I'm misreading this but are you trying to suggest:

a) Chadli is as good or better than Januzaj?
b) Chadli was even close to as big a talent at the same age?

I will eat my fez if Chadli, Moses or Townsend go on to be better players than Januzaj over their careers.

 

[Feed Me]

Maybe I'm misreading this but are you trying to suggest:

a) Chadli is as good or better than Januzaj?
b) Chadli was even close to as big a talent at the same age?

I will eat my fez if Chadli, Moses or Townsend go on to be better players than Januzaj over their careers.

His entire argument is absurd.

 

[Sam]

His entire argument is absurd.

Yeah, but look at all those stats!

 

[soap]

There was a stat doing the rounds a few years ago when Bale was on fire, that he had less goals and only slightly more assists than Walcott. Everyone knew it was bollocks and Arsenal fans were only trolling when they posted it. You're not gonna convince anyone by reeling off a load of numbers - if anything you're just hurting your own argument by showing stats that the likes of Zaha and Moses beat Januzaj, because anyone who's seen them play knows Januzaj is much better.

Tl;dr stop stat dumping

 

[Feed Me]

Yeah, but look at all those stats!

I bet he's never actually watched a football match, just trawls through Opta's website all day.

 

[Lay]

I've almost forgotten who he is.

 

[Castia]

When you consider how good Eriksen, Oscar, Hazard, Coutinho, Sterling, Isco, Gotze, Draxler, Rodriguez and Koke are all just a couple of years older, do you see him being that good in a couple of years time?

If he isn't then he's overrated by most United fans if anything.

The world is littered with brilliant 22 year old attacking midfielders.

Football is so fickle though, take last season for example Isco barely got a game for Madrid while Eriksen didn't have the greatest first season at Spurs, he scored in the World Cup final but Goetze also had a mediocre year with Bayern.

Adnan isn't playing at the moment and when he gets a chance he looks well off the pace but he's a top prospect, if it's here or elsewhere I'm sure he will prove himself over the coming months.

 

[luckyspurs]

His entire argument is absurd.

The argument is that if Januzaj was 22 rather than almost 20 and still anything like the player he is now, at a mid-table club, he'd be in the same category as Arnautovic, Mahrez, Bolasie, Moses, Townsend and the like. He'd struggle to get in any team in the Premier League on what he currently produces.

If you've ever watched college football in America and then watched those same guys in the NFL. Januzaj's one of those quarter backs with a couple of great looking throws on ESPN, but more interceptions than touchdowns and playing a level like Christian Ponder and Carson Palmer.

He doesn't create anywhere near enough to be as wasteful, quiet and weak defending as he is. He accounts for very few actual chances, though all of them get repeated and spoken about and gifs made about them.

 

[Feed Me]

The argument is that if Januzaj was 22 rather than almost 20 and still anything like the player he is now, at a mid-table club, he'd be in the same category as Arnautovic, Mahrez, Bolasie, Moses, Townsend and the like. He'd struggle to get in any team in the Premier League on what he currently produces.

If you've ever watched college football in America and then watched those same guys in the NFL. Januzaj's one of those quarter backs with a couple of great looking throws on ESPN, but more interceptions than touchdowns and playing a level like Christian Ponder and Carson Palmer.

He doesn't create anywhere near enough to be as wasteful, quiet and weak defending as he is. He accounts for very few actual chances, though all of them get repeated and spoken about and gifs made about them.

It's an absolutely absurd argument.

He's not 22, he's 19. Why are you arbitrarily picking 22 as a benchmark age?

Ludicrous.

 

[Sam]

It's an absolutely absurd argument.

He's not 22, he's 19. Why are you arbitrarily picking 22 as a benchmark age?

Ludicrous.

Yeah but you know, if he was 22, which he isn't, but if he was, he'd be average. Like Townsend. Although he's 23.

See, it makes perfect sense.

 

[Feed Me]

Yeah but you know, if he was 22, which he isn't, but if he was, he'd be average. Like Townsend. Although he's 23.

See, it makes perfect sense.

It's a fecking nuts argument.

 

[limerickcitykid]

But how good would Messi be if he was 40, overweight and couldn't score goals?

 

[Feed Me]

But how good would Messi be if he was 40, overweight and couldn't score goals?

Not as good as if he was only 37.

 

[Sam]

But how good would Messi be if he was 40, overweight and couldn't score goals?

What this post needs is some % stats.

 

[limerickcitykid]

What this post needs is some % stats.

@luckyspurs stats, lets go

 

[luckyspurs]

Yeah but you know, if he was 22, which he isn't, but if he was, he'd be average. Like Townsend. Although he's 23.

See, it makes perfect sense.

He's a less good player than Chadli, Lamela and Sigurdsson. He's level with Moses and Townsend.

That is the player he is at 19. United fans are the ones predicting Ronaldo or Hazard level improvement.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Have the poster of the year awards been announced already or is the voting still on?

 

[luckyspurs]

Yeah but you know, if he was 22, which he isn't, but if he was, he'd be average. Like Townsend. Although he's 23.

See, it makes perfect sense.

At 19, there are about 40 attacking midfielders in the Premier League better than what he produced last season. That's it. He's young and he occasionally does a nice looking pass that United fans can gif and pretend they've got another Eden Hazard, if you don't have to wade through the hours of losing possession and wrecking United attacks because he wants to spend half an hour on the ball before doing something productive with it. We had one of those guys ourselves; Adel Taarabt.

He's 19 and Swansea wouldn't pick him ahead of Montero, Dyer, Routledge or Sigurdsson. Stoke wouldn't want him ahead of Walters, Arnautovic, Assaidi or Bojan. Spurs wouldn't want him ahead of Townsend, Eriksen, Chadli or Lamela. Leicester wouldn't drop Mahrez or Schlupp for him. Crystal Palace wouldn't drop Bolasie, Puncheon or Zaha. Southampton wouldn't drop Mane, Tadic, Ward-Prowse or Elia.

Infact you could keep going through most of the Premier League. Nobody wants a winger who creates 3 chances every 2 full games, can't finish, can't defend and gives the ball away constantly. Your own manager not least of all.