James has similar numbers to Traore to be fair.
That pretty much sums it up really.
I never doubted to fact he was a good dribbler, more the fact that his dribbles and use of the ball very rarely achieve much of anything.
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That pretty much sums it up really.
I never doubted to fact he was a good dribbler, more the fact that his dribbles and use of the ball very rarely achieve much of anything.
No. You can still have successful dribbles, but end up running in dead ends.
He has a really high number of dribbles, and I think people on here are underplaying how good he is in this regard. He really understands how to use his strength, speed and agility to beat players. It's defo unfair to say he's not deliberate with his dribbling. I mean, he doesn't dribble like Messi, Hazard or Pogba, but that's because they rely more on a stop/start method to beat players. Traore relies more on physical attributes, but that doesn't make him a worse dribbler. I've seen Traore do things that Messi couldn't do.
Messi, Hazard and Pogba are more effective dribblers than Traore in the sense that, after the dribble, more often than not they will make the right decision at the right time with good execution. When I watch him it's not usually that he has lost control of the ball and can't pick his pass, he normally has a great opportunity to play the pass/take the shot and screws it up. Like he's hesitant. It's weird to see a player capable of barreling through a team like he does so regularly and then looking so out of his depth when it comes to shooting/laying on assists.
Traore has been deployed as a wingback for much of his Wolves career under Santos who was very pragmatic. Wolves new manager Lange is more offensive, and even though they've started poorly results wise, you can see a positive shift in how they go forward.
For the last three games Traore has 4.03 shots per 90 and 3.02 key passes per 90. He also has 9 successful dribbles per 90, the highest in the league by far. St Maxim is at 5.7 and Dwight McNeil at third is at 3.3
PL dribbling stats
You might have to click on the 'offensive' tab to see it clearly. It's a small sample size but already an uptick from any point from last season for him. He'll be a bigger threat this season under Lange
The most kickiest and runniest of the kick-and-run merchants in the league. Like Dan James on steroids. Well overrated imo and he's never my first worry on the opponent's teamsheet, but if you set up wrongly he'll cause you massive issues.
He needs a good coach to sort out his end product, someone like wenger or fergie, but then again wenger never managed to turn walcott into henry-like player, maybe its a matter of either having it or not having it, you either have it or you don't , that said, I wonder if constant hard work a.k.a ronaldo-style can bring an improvement in one's ability.
People are criticising Traore on the basis of his 'numbers'. I think there are better ways of assessing someone's contribution / potential.
For a winger it makes sense to criticize his numbers. I mean Lingard was getting abuse because he wasn’t producing as a winger even though he’s good at pressing, has energy etc. Being a speed merchant isn’t enough to be considered great. Question, is Lingard better than Adama?
Not really though was he, he played a handful of games there but spent the vast majority of last season playing wide forward and sometimes through the middle.
I've already stated he's a good dribbler, that's beyond doubt, he's just not particularly good at much else.
Every other metric suggests this to be the case.
Wenger or Fergie aren't coaches and wouldn't help him with his end product. Their coaches would.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...lfil-his-huge-potential-as-a-wolves-wing-back
https://www.wolves.co.uk/news/first-team/20190801-traore-enjoying-switch-to-wing-back-role/
From a Wolves forum:
"There are two Adamas - one who was misused under Nuno, where he tried to make him into a wingback and played him out too wide and the second one under Bruno, who is now playing further forward, more centrally on the shoulder of the last defender and is looking better than ever.
Judge the ‘new’ Adama on this season’s performances, not on the past. Pulis hadn’t got a clue how to get the best out of him and neither had Nuno. Bruno may have found out how to do it already."
https://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/forum...l-he-summer-2021.342649/page-128#post-6941409
Nuno Santos saw fit to convert Traore to wingback since 2019
AWB is ridiculed for having no end-product. Despite this - his assist pr game-ratio at United is as good as Adama Traores has in his career in the P.L 
When I see him play (which is rarely) and normally when it’s against a big team, I always think why has a big team not snapped him up. But I get the feeling he’s great against big teams when they give you oceans of space to run into but is a bit lost against teams who sit deep. He reminds me a bit of Obertan. Very quick and decent dribble with low end product.
He’s a really big and strong version of Dan James.
AWB is ridiculed for having no end-product. Despite this - his assist pr game-ratio at United is as good as Adama Traores has in his career in the P.L
He even has more assists than Luke Shaw in the time he's been here if I'm not mistaken. 9 for him 7 for Shaw
Have a look how many times he played wingback last season please. He has played a handful of games at wingback.
He played more through the middle up top then he did as wingback.
Did you even read the articles you linked? The one from Wolves website even states that Adama is only playing as a wingback to deputise for the injured Doherty. What happened when Doherty was fit again?? Ah yeah, Adama got moved back to winger/forward
Have a look how many times he played wingback last season please. He has played a handful of games at wingback.
He played more through the middle up top then he did as wingback.
Did you even read the articles you linked? The one from Wolves website even states that Adama is only playing as a wingback to deputise for the injured Doherty. What happened when Doherty was fit again?? Ah yeah, Adama got moved back to winger/forward
That article is the only one worth mentioning? It was from the beginning of the 2019/20 season and the fact he still played a handful of games at wingback last season indicates it was no longer just an experiment or bandaid to cover for Doherty. Why do you think I attached the post from a Wolves fan bemoaning Santos usage of Traore in that position? That post is recent and carries the hope that Sage will play Traore in a forward position that makes him more of a goal threat
Not this nonsense again Sir Alex was a great manager while being excellent coach as well it's only in latter half of his career he started delegating more of his coaching duties .
Nah, you're definitely right.
I mean the other articles definitely didn't mention just ONE game that he played at wing back,
every stat website definitely HASN'T listed him as playing wing back whilst Doherty was injured and then reverting back to the wing which was at the start of the season,
He definitely played wing back ALL season last season and NOT as a forward deputising for Jimenez.
Yeah, you are definitely right.
Did you even read any of the posts on the wolves forum? Vast majority are claiming he isn't all that, and only one has suggested he played as a wingback, every other post calls him a forward/winger.
You mean significantly more than half?
RedCafe: Dan James is a kick and run merchant. He has absolutely zero end product.
Also RedCafe: Sign Adama!
He's easy on the eye because he's so quick and an incredible dribbler. His end product is abysmal though and, what's worse, is his decision making is just as bad. Not even nearly good enough for any top side.
Also RedCafe: Sign Adama!
He's easy on the eye because he's so quick and an incredible dribbler. His end product is abysmal though and, what's worse, is his decision making is just as bad. Not even nearly good enough for any top side.
He’s strong and dribbles through defences like they don’t exist but that’s it. Can’t cross for toffee! Got in so many good positions against Brentford but always overhit his crosses.
He always seems like he's let down by bad finishing from the strikers. He'd have a couple of assists a game if the strikers could put the ball in the net
Headless chicken. A very muscular and powerful headless chicken.
I think he is actually working against Wolves now because their attack just isn’t cohesive with a player like him in the lineup. Destroys so many moves with the wrong choice or a terrible cross.
I think he is actually working against Wolves now because their attack just isn’t cohesive with a player like him in the lineup. Destroys so many moves with the wrong choice or a terrible cross.
Today he was let down by Wolves' attackers flat out refusal to grow 15 foot tall.
At some point you have to wonder why no Wolves attackers attack the far post instead when the cross is coming in, it's always where the ball ends up.
Yeah. He had one decent ball into the box from what I saw today and it was a hit and hope from the corner flag
He's actually shite unless he's playing against United. Make of that what you will.
What is the obesession with RedCaf to talk down Adama his abilty?
Two decent. One should of been scored, but striker headed it wide
some birds would have trouble reaching some of his crosses
It’s not weird to me. If you’ve relied on physical attributes since you were young and never actually learnt how to play the game properly then you’ll be able to run past players for fun and then not have a clue what to do next. This is Adama Traore.
Bet he was one of the fully grown kids when he was small who used to run past everyone and that’s how he got picked up. Like Ross Barkley here:
Such a frustrating player. All pace and power with no end product.
I think he's just not very good at much except dribbling, running fast and being strong. I think that's the problem.
Such a beast of a player who is almost impossible to stop when taking his man wide, but man oh man, his end product is horrible. It's so bad even Dan James has a giggle seeing him cross a ball...
His physical ability is out of this world.
The Prem is probably the most physical league out there, and he's ripping defences apart like he's fecking Moses. And i don't mean Victor.
Can't actually put my finger on whats missing in his play....
But i believe put in a better team, say Liverpool, and he'd score 20 per season minimum.
The Prem is probably the most physical league out there, and he's ripping defences apart like he's fecking Moses. And i don't mean Victor.
Can't actually put my finger on whats missing in his play....
But i believe put in a better team, say Liverpool, and he'd score 20 per season minimum.
Surely the answer is “everything else”. He isn’t a great passer, can’t cross, can’t shoot and doesn’t make the right decisions with the ball.
He competes at this level because he is so physically gifted. It looks impressive but 9/10 games, it’s all for nothing.
Can't excatly say he can't shoot, the rest is pretty much accurate.
Wonder if anybody out there could make him a better footballer.
Cos the physical part is something else.
Unstoppable at times.
Some of his efforts are pretty wild from what I have seen. All power and no real technique. 7 goals in 145 PL appearances.
I think he would need a coach who would give him an extremely defined role to focus on his one strength, but I can’t see him ever being a top player. He just doesn’t seem to have the awareness and technique.
Because every time he plays United he gives us a hard time and he has a cult following of United fans who think he is mustard.
With that prediction its crazy Barca let him go and Liverpool didnt sign him this window