Adama Traore
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If you are talking about Toure, he only plays well vs us but is terrible
The issue with those players on the right is more that they can't cross than that they can't beat a man. and Traore can't cross either.
It's both. Look at the stats. Rashford dribbling success is very low on the right.
While traore has the highest dribbling stats in Europe.
St Maximin is above Traore is that list....is he better than Neymar too
Heard it all now.
The problem with him is, he isn’t in control and most of his dribbles are going nowhere. If he would play for a better team with higher expectations, he would frustrate the living hell out of people. Now he’s just a hipsters choice.
St Maximin is above Traore is that list....is he better than Neymar too
Heard it all now.
What has better got to do with it? We were discussing dribbling.
Dribbling is only one of many aspects of the game, best dribbler doesn't necessarily mean the player is good at anything else. Some good examples over the years are Traore, Ben Arfa etc. They are always among the most eltie dribbler in the game, but not really that impressive in everything else.St Maximin is above Traore is that list....is he better than Neymar too
Heard it all now.
What makes Neymar, Messi great, is not only their dribbling, but also other aspects of their game, including end products (goals/assists)
Which is my point exactly.
Traore is a good dribbler, he can use his pace to get round players, but he has little end product which means generally that dribble is null and voId as it often leads to nothing.
Yeah, and on the list given via the link St Maximin is higher than Traore.
Aye. He can run and run with the ball but he is basically shite at everything else.
Runs with head down like a bull,with no end product.
I like Traore, he is a good and exciting player, but I wouldn’t want him in my team (United).
Yeah, and on the list given via the link St Maximin is higher than Traore.
Yes he is one of the best dribblers in Europe what's your point?
It's as if some of you have no concept that a player from a lower team can be good enough for a top team.
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It's as if you can't see the wood through the trees
Traore is a good (not great) dribbler, however his end product is poor, that's shown in multiple statistics and if you watch his games.
St Maximin is the same.
Theres no other point other than that really. The statement I just made is not based on opinion, nor is it based on my personal feelings (I actually wanted United to sign Traore a few seasons ago), it's based on actual tangible evidence through statistics and actual output.
You may think differently and that's fine, but it appears to me like you are basing your opinions on little more than your personal preference rather than tangible evidence.
It's as if you can't see the wood through the trees
Traore is a good (not great) dribbler, however his end product is poor, that's shown in multiple statistics and if you watch his games.
St Maximin is the same.
Theres no other point other than that really. The statement I just made is not based on opinion, nor is it based on my personal feelings (I actually wanted United to sign Traore a few seasons ago), it's based on actual tangible evidence through statistics and actual output.
You may think differently and that's fine, but it appears to me like you are basing your opinions on little more than your personal preference rather than tangible evidence.
No both are not good dribblers. They are exceptional dribblers. That's the part that I think you are struggling with. I base my opinion on literally every metric of dribbling you can go by. Successful completed dribbles and amount of successful take ons. Then the eye test also shows that both of those players beat players more regularly than others.
They are not only "good" dribblers by any metric they have literally the highest rates in Europe. If you believe they won't be a threat for a better team with better players fair enough. But it's extremely naive to believe that the players around them dont make an impact on their end product. Just look at Traore output the one season Jiménez was top form. Now imagine that with 3/4 top players. Jiménez literally wasn't there at all last season.
Thank god football is about more than dribbling then
And yes, having Lewandowski in the middle would help, but when your assist level and goal input is as bad as Traores with EVERY team he's played for at ANY level he's played at it certainly says something.
Thank god football is about more than dribbling then
And yes, having Lewandowski in the middle would help, but when your assist level and goal input is as bad as Traores with EVERY team he's played for at ANY level he's played at it certainly says something.
But it wasn't when Jiménez was in the team and top form so clearly it makes a bit impact. When Jiménez was in the team he was getting a goal or assist every 100 minutes
Does that say something about Traore or Jimenez?
And surely if he was getting a goal or assist every 100 minutes with Jimenez then he'd have more than 14 assists and 7 goals in 143 appearances?? I mean that not unreasonable to expect the third best dribbler in Europe to be better than that right??
I think you are clutching here massively to be honest.
What is it with people nowadays, unless players are scoring or assisting a goal a game, ie messi / ronaldo numbers, the players are crap. Scholes 'only' averaged an assist once every 9 games and a goal once every 5 in his league career. He'd have been slaughtered here nowadays for those numbers.
So Spain had "the best dribbler in the world" this summer, but kept him on the bench. Weird
Or maybe the fact that Scholes dictated the game constantly, he was the fulcrum on which everything moved from. Every passage of play came from Scholes.
Whereas Traore offers very little besides pace and strength.
Stats and numbers mean nothing without context. The context of Adama however is one of a player who consistently throughout his career has failed to deliver an end product, which surely is one of a wingers main outputs??
Every player has their role and usually if you are in one of the attacking positions or wing then goals and assists.....well....
He was actually the third best after St Maximin...who actually hasn't won a senior cap yet
go figure ...He was actually the third best after St Maximin...who actually hasn't won a senior cap yet
Who is to say Spain wouldn't have got further if he did get in at some point? Spain is a country known for a specific type of player. Adama doesn't fit that so it's not a surprise he didn't get in. Sancho also didn't get into the England team is he also not good enough?
Are you just pedantic for the sake of it? He had a high ratio of goals and assists when Jiménez was in the team and fit. What has the rest of his time got to do with it? Isn't literally what I am saying is if you surround him with other high quality players his end product is much higher. That is literally a fact based on what we have seen.
Never said anything to the contrary.
And no, Sancho isn't better than the options England are using currently.
Also, do France not fancy the world's best dribbler in their team?? Strange that.
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Seriously just give it a rest
Has Jimenez only played 21 games with Traore??
He has 7 goals and 14 assists in 120 plus games, are you telling me that them goals and assists only happened during a small percentage of games, if so it's even worse a record to have!!
But Traore is fast, so there's always that I guess.
Traore completed as many successful take-ons vs Leicester as Dan James did in the entire 20/21 season.
That’s astonishing. Wolves must have won that game by four or five goals with stats like that. What was the score?
I see where you are coming from. His number can definitely be better
No he wouldn’t , people don’t criticize Pogba because he’s not scoring or assisting, do they? Scholes was a playmaker, I don’t even know why you bring up his goals and assists. I don’t even get how you guys are trying to prove Adama some kind of elite footballer. I mean if he’s that great at what he does, you will think Spain will use him as a plan B if things aren’t working. But he didn’t even come of the bench during the Euros.
Cool.
And How'd that turn out for Wolves? As I've been reliably informed on here that Jimenez is the key to unlocking Traore and his many talents....
I'm not debating his end product(or lack of), more the claim that he's not a great dribbler and is merely just fast. If being fast is all it takes to beat players then Dan James would also have incredible numbers in that area.
Traore is very physical. He uses that with his dribbling too, he isn’t very deliberate. He always just manages to keep hold on the ball, due to strength or speed. Or he runs in to dead ends. When you watch truly great dribblers, they are very deliberate. They know which side to turn open, don’t walk in to dead ends and are very calculated. He has a very high volume of dribbles, but the quality isn’t there.
He has a very high volume of successful dribbles. What you are saying doesn't correlate to the facts. He has a high number of dribbles and an exceptionally high amount of successful dribbles. He has to have some level of deliberate thought in his dribbles for it to be so high.
Sounds to me a bit like: He knows how to dribble, but he has no idea where to go. I think this also shows in his very limited end product, other wingers score and assist much more.
Fun player to watch and must be an absolute nightmare to defend against but as others have said he really does very little with it, after getting into dangerous positions