ACTUAL POLL thread - how do you feel about potential Qatari ownership?

How do you feel about Qatari ownership

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Rood said:
I believe they are wealthy enough but some kind of consortium is certainly possible - there is a probably a few United fans in the extended family who can bung in a few hundred million each
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Of course mate but at what point is a consortium of wealthy members of a states ruling family not considered state backed/funded?

If it was a consortium of say 10 family members would you be willing to bet that all 10 aren't prominent past/present members of the Qatari government?
 
stevoc said:
Because if someone convinces themselves it's not state backed then they don't have to worry about Human Rights issues
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To be honest I'm not that fussed about human rights issues either way - was relevant but overblown when the World Cup was in Qatar, not so relevant to who is the best owner for Man United.

I'm more bothered about potential financial doping, hopefully if they did takeover they wouldn't spend unsustainably on players. We don't need to spend anymore than we already do
 
blue blue said:
Do you think Jassim's bid is entirely from his own finances and without any meaningful connection to the Qatar government?
Do you think it would matter either way and do you think the fans should be concerned? You seem to be more interested in the bid not being state backed than footballing issues but I could be wrong.
I don't understand why people are focussing on the alleged state ownership when for me the human rights issues are more important and that's a cultural thing. Despite the World Cup, Qatar is not a footballing state and Jassim is not a fan, notwithstanding accounts of his interest in a previous bid, so for me this bid has a hidden agenda beyond football.
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Do you think getting tax advantages over rivals (government support) means Jim's bid is entirely his own finances and not as a result of tax advantages (government backing)? The Jassim bid is reported as private, not a government body. Given it's normal, these days, to demonstrate proof of funds and origin, it is fair to say other know better than me.

Jassim is from Qatar, he's not the Emir, he's not the state or holds a role in the state (i'm aware of). Having read the Financial statement and governing documents of QIB I was surprised how democratised the governance was, and the distance there seemed in an operating sense, with the structure of the senior management team, and equity ownership to QIA.

You are wrong about my concerns. I have raised concerns about Jims bid, the process will weed out the lesser bids. Some time ago, I'm pretty sure I said it'd take 8-10b to put united back I was ridiculed. And now, we're seeing those figure muted.

The human rights issues cannot be attributed to a none governing individual just because they're from Qatar. In the same way are you/others blaming individuals in Luxembourg or wherever for the INEO explosion? I don't see it as a cultural thing, its more of a logical thing.

How do you know he's not a united fan? I'm pretty sure Jassim's father stated he didnt like that his son liked/wanted to investment in united. I'm not sure how people square those thoughts, Qatar nationals have to follow the line, yet Jassim is reportedly not following the line. It's high risk, if, his father is as wealthy as some say.
 
blue blue said:
There's always one.


yes it is a little strange that people have to justify their decision in such strange ways.
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This made me chuckle. You know the reason why. It's same way Chelsea fans justified Putin's hundreds of millions via Abramovich. Or City fans, Newcastle fans, Real fans et al. Clearly most fans only care about loads money and being successful. And they'll justify it. Like Chelsea fans did.
 
Rood said:
To be honest I'm not that fussed about human rights issues either way - was relevant but overblown when the World Cup was in Qatar, not so relevant to who is the best owner for Man United.

I'm more bothered about potential financial doping, hopefully if they did takeover they wouldn't spend unsustainably on players. We don't need to spend anymore than we already do
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That post wasn't directed at you mate and while obviously I'm not in favour of the Qatar bid I'd largely agree with the first bolded part of your post there. My objections to them hosting the World Cup and owning United are based on different things.

Basically your second point, I don't believe states should be allowed to own football clubs and financially dope them. It's bad for football in general and the more of them there are the worse things will get. I fear football will turn into a predictable procession where the PL becomes the de facto Super League and the same 3-4 clubs win the league and the Champions League every year hoarding most of the top players. Basically an Oil/Gas state pissing contest.
 
Figgins said:
Widely reported? behave. It's reported in the 1990s there were approx 20,000 in the house of Al Thani.

The ones involved? There is one reportedly involved.. no he's not the Emirs cousin


What a ridiculous comment. Your posts are all negative sewing seeds that are baseless, and reporting it like weight of opinion is fact/truth.
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That’s what you’re saying. You’re ignoring the masses of available data around you (which is all speculation albeit it supporting what I and the majority of this thread are saying) and your only response when anyone challenges you is that no one can prove anything so therefore they can’t say anything with certainty.
 
I love the media witch hunt due to them being from Qatar but we should all want this as it’s not the same as seen in the past with other clubs. We are a self sustainable club and don’t necessarily need owners but the Glazers have this club in debt which Qatari buyers will pay off and renovate the stadium.

The Qatari owners are buying the club and giving it a fresh start but after that they would rarely need to invest as if they don’t take dividends from the club we can spend wages/transfer from our revenue every yesr
 
432JuanMata said:
I love the media witch hunt due to them being from Qatar but we should all want this as it’s not the same as seen in the past with other clubs. We are a self sustainable club and don’t necessarily need owners but the Glazers have this club in debt which Qatari buyers will pay off and renovate the stadium.

The Qatari owners are buying the club and giving it a fresh start but after that they would rarely need to invest as if they don’t take dividends from the club we can spend wages/transfer from our revenue every yesr
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But a lack of investment is not what the Qatari ownership would be critizised for, would it?
I don't want my beloved club to be a degraded to a whitewashing-tool for a fundamentalist, authoritarian regime.

I really doubt we should all want this. Honestly I can't see how anyone could want this. It would be a nightmare, one of the worst possible outcomes.
 
stevoc said:
Well if it was reported in the 90's it must be true, feck me. Has anyone reported that number since the 90's I doubt it.

https://www.famcap.com/2015/01/2015-1-9-is-this-the-worlds-biggest-family-office-probably/

https://prezi.com/hkqqsdjljvuw/the-al-thani-and-al-khalifa-dynasties-in-comparative-perspec/



HBJ is the Emir's cousin.

https://www.forbes.com/profile/hamad-bin-jassim-bin-jaber-al-thani/?sh=3e2f80025e49
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Unbelievable; HBJ isn't bidding so your comment isn't true. Neither of those sources are referenced, if you want to use those i can only laugh. The archive of the US congress has it at 20,000 for the Thani house.
 
Spoony said:
This made me chuckle. You know the reason why. It's same way Chelsea fans justified Putin's hundreds of millions via Abramovich. Or City fans, Newcastle fans, Real fans et al. Clearly most fans only care about loads money and being successful. And they'll justify it. Like Chelsea fans did.
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We're all the same way.

PS. I felt very uncomfortable when the "Kalinka" was played before home games when Abramovic took over. Fortunately they reverted to "The Liquidator" shortly thereafter. Which is ironic because they continued Liquidating after he left.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That’s what you’re saying. You’re ignoring the masses of available data around you (which is all speculation albeit it supporting what I and the majority of this thread are saying) and your only response when anyone challenges you is that no one can prove anything so therefore they can’t say anything with certainty.
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no, it's what reputable sources say. Mass data based on nothing lacks any credibility.
 
Figgins said:
Unbelievable; HBJ isn't bidding so your comment isn't true. Neither of those sources are referenced, if you want to use those i can only laugh.
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Right so if the money Jassim is using for this takeover bid isn't coming from his father (despite his father implying it is) then where is it coming from? It makes you wonder if it's....


The archive of the US congress has it at 20,000 for the Thani house.
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:lol:
 
stevoc said:
Right so if the money Jassim is using for this takeover bid isn't coming from his father (despite his father implying it is) then where is it coming from? It makes you wonder if it's....
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Don’t be daft mate, you’re the one who needs to provide the evidence.
 
stevoc said:
Right so if the money Jassim is using for this takeover bid isn't coming from his father (despite his father implying it is) then where is it coming from? It makes you wonder if it's....


:lol:
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Imagine laughing at evidenced and reviewed work, yet what to use poor non-reviewed work to support an argument.

Really? source? Given your previous use of sources, your posts aren't credible.
 
Wumminator said:
I didn’t really get the point. Overblown makes it seem like it’s not true - the next part just for Man United.
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Undoubtedly some human rights issues exist in all the Gulf countries, I think they were relevant but exaggerated by the media when the World Cup spotlight was on Qatar. Although perhaps that is no bad thing since it lead to improvements for workers rights etc.

I dont think they have that much relevance when we are talking about who is the best owner for Manchester United though - anyone who can afford to buy us is likely to come with some dodgy baggage, there are no 'clean' billionaires looking to buy us so we just have to think about what is best for the club.

People like you going around hysterically screaming 'murder' is obviously ridiculous in this context - thankfully the voting here shows that the majority are not so hysterical.
 
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Figgins said:
Imagine laughing at evidenced and reviewed work, yet what to use poor non-reviewed work to support an argument.

Really? source? Given your previous use of sources, your posts aren't credible.
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HBJ actually did an interview where he talked about the bid and saying it wasn't an investment he would normally do but his sons want it
 
Gavinb33 said:
HBJ actually did an interview where he talked about the bid and saying it wasn't an investment he would normally do but his sons want it
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I'm well aware of it, like you said and i have said previously, at no point did he say he was investing.
 
BooloBiibshe said:
Manchester United are currently owned by a family from the most corrupted country in the world. A country that created all terrorist groups in the world ( biggest one being Alqaida). But you don’t see it like that because the media doesn’t show you their shenanigans or you don’t just wanna see it and blame counties like Qatar. America destroyed millions of people’s lives, they killed kids man, women, people in wedding ceremonies. Let’s talk about what they did to Iraq and Afghanistan. The difference between USA and all those wealth Muslim countries combined is like A to Z in terms of human rights. You only want the glazers out just because the way the run the club and you will hate the Qataris for being Qadari no matter how successful they will make the team. Some of you don’t even feel shame when you talk about human rights like there is no Muslim members in this Forum.
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Whataboutism. But, stop deflecting, we are talking about Qatar, which is not a free country, especially not for women, LGTB+ people and migrant workers. It is a repressive regime involved in blatant human rights abuses.

Your values or lack of them is what drives the reaction against it.

Don‘t play the muslim card: the Qataris are abusing religion for their own ends, just like Trump evangelicals in the US.
 
Figgins said:
And round in circles. You believe there is a link despite HBJ saying its his sons investment, despite reports its a private bid.. If you think there is a link prove it..
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I love how you’re still not understanding how a private bid can (or cannot) be state backed. This is beyond basic.

Also you said you had sources, I ask you to show them backing up what you’re saying, you then essentially present the best ‘proof’ you can muster which is HBJ saying ‘guys don’t worry, this is just my son’s wealth’. Solid, solid argument always.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I love how you’re still not understanding how a private bid can (or cannot) be state backed. This is beyond basic.

Also you said you had sources, I ask you to show them backing up what you’re saying, you then essentially present the best ‘proof’ you can muster which is HBJ saying ‘guys don’t worry, this is just my son’s wealth’. Solid, solid argument always.
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You made that up in your own head and decided to write it?

All the rest of your argument is just the same in your head
 
@Figgins Only an extremely wealthy individual would be willing to spend 5-6 billion of their own money to buy a football club.

If our guy here is buying United with his own money (not even backed by his father, as seems to be your opinion), he must be worth a hell of a lot more than anyone realizes: I'm not talking, say, ten billion. You don't spend more than half your personal fortune on a football club. For this to even remotely make sense, the guy would have to be worth - what?

Something like what the QIA is worth, would be my guess: they can afford to buy United outright with no third-party deals or loans involved, and no immediate plans to turn a profit.

(But they're worth hundreds of billions - that's the scale we're talking about here.)
 
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stevoc said:
Where was this exactly?



What specifically do you want a source for mate?
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You are talking to a troll, he's been posting the same snarky one-liners for the past few days. He's not interested in logic, because he's doing this in bad faith.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
@Figgins Only an extremely wealthy individual would be willing to spend 5-6 billion of their own money to buy a football club.

If our guy here is buying United with his own money (not even backed by his father, as seems to be your opinion), he must be worth a hell of a lot more than anyone realizes: I'm not talking, say, ten billion. You don't spend more more than half of your personal fortune on a football club. For this to even remotely make sense, the guy would have to be worth - what?

Something like what the QIA is worth, would be my guess: they can afford to buy United outright with no other-party deals or loans involved, and no immediate plans for turning a profit.

(But they're worth hundreds of billions - that's the scale we're talking about here.)
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I'm well aware of it. It's not my opinion that his father isn't backing him, it's implied in a conversation with HBJ

mu4c_20le said:
You are talking to a troll, he's been posting the same snarky one-liners for the past few days. He's not interested in logic, because he's doing this in bad faith.
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What absolute nonsense, frankly i take issues with your false insinuation.

Clearly you haven't read my posts or you don't understand the logic behind it. Speculation, falsely attributing Qatar issues i don't like. I've already explained that.. .
 
Figgins said:
And round in circles. You believe there is a link despite HBJ saying its his sons investment, despite reports its a private bid.. If you think there is a link prove it..
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Did you believe the Newcastle bid wasn’t state led too?
 
Figgins said:
I'm well aware of it. It's not my opinion that his father isn't backing him, it's implied in a conversation with HBJ
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Alright, I misunderstood your post above.

So, you do believe that HBJ is backing him.

How much do you think HBJ is worth, roughly?

ETA INEOS had an estimated turnover of 60+ billion (USD) in 2021 *. They won't be buying United with no third-party backing/deals/loans, as in: they won't just lay down a cool five or six billion of the company's own money on the table.

Again: doing that takes extreme wealth.

* Jimbo himself is considered to be worth around 20-25 billion (USD).
 
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