He's an excellent player who is very good going forward. He has another 3-4 good years. He's not a deadbeat we are getting just to hold that position for Dalot.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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I'm not saying he's a deadbeat. I don't even know him, but he isn't proven at this level.
What I'm saying is this should be irrelevant.
AWB may or may not be the best we can hope to get, but making a decision on anything other than getting the best, is planning for mediocrity, instead of improvement.
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That's not at all what that user said though. They said, if Wan Bissaka is too costly.
As for the bolded, it's unlikely all three would be able to develop properly simultaneously, as everyone improves at different rates. One player could have higher potential than the other two, but simply be further behind in his development and thus play far less due to being the worst option. This lack of playing time would then set him even further back in terms of development and would most likely result in them wanting out. It's not always about whether or not one youngster is better than another. The main issue would be whether these players would be willing to sacrifice valuable playing time at this stage of their career when they could simply move elsewhere for more chances.
50 million for Ashley Young to never start again? Sounds like a no brainer
English players are always more costly.
Players Man utd buy are always more costly.
Everyone knows we are desperate for a squad overhaul and can bump the price up.
Is he worth 50million? Probably not. Was Kyle Walker? Absolutely not.
Think of the benefit to the team. Will we be better with AWB than not? I think he improves us.
Do we need a RB who offers more than what we currently have? Absolutely
I'd rather we signed AWB for 50 mil than any other of the names being branded about.
I'd prefer we done quicker business but that's not the way Ed works.
AWB is a must for me. The price is high, but the price wont change so we just as well adapt to the modern game and pay up
Players Man utd buy are always more costly.
Everyone knows we are desperate for a squad overhaul and can bump the price up.
Is he worth 50million? Probably not. Was Kyle Walker? Absolutely not.
Think of the benefit to the team. Will we be better with AWB than not? I think he improves us.
Do we need a RB who offers more than what we currently have? Absolutely
I'd rather we signed AWB for 50 mil than any other of the names being branded about.
I'd prefer we done quicker business but that's not the way Ed works.
AWB is a must for me. The price is high, but the price wont change so we just as well adapt to the modern game and pay up
50m should be the absolute limit. Personally think that's even on the expensive side but I'd be happy enough with that deal.
Any more and we are getting done big time. He's a good player but he's not 70m good.
Any more and we are getting done big time. He's a good player but he's not 70m good.
Our priorities are winning and making money, not supplying the world with developed footballers. If we were a selling club, maybe the focus would be different.
Why don't we have the same concerns for DeGea blocking Perreira's progress, Pogba blocking Gomes? Because they are developing in the hope of one day becoming first team players.
We didn't sign Reina to give Joel opportunities, or Leon Britton so Gomes can smoothly replace him. We are trying to remain competitive (allegedly), in a ruthlessly unforgiving league.
Another thing to consider before putting eggs in baskets is, player loyalty. There is less and less evidence of this.
Rashford has been fast-tracked after being here as kid. Now he is holding the club to ransom for massive wages. If he chooses to move for a pay bonanza, where has all that nurturing got us?
We would have been better off signing a 15 goal striker.
I love bringing players through, but first team standards have to be our utmost consideration. Everything else is a bonus.
Waive the Zaha clause and give them 30m plus Laird on loan.
I'd rather get an experienced back and let Dalot and Laird be his back up
That’s exactly what Crystal Palace are saying to Woody
Agreed. Have them all fight it out to be first choice.
50m is a fair price. Considering Kyle Walker moved to City for 50m as well. AWB is younger and showing huge potential already. Pay it.
To be honest, I would like us to see how the likes of O'Connor, Laird, even Fosu Mensah in a tough preseason friendly match before making move for any defender in the market. One of them could be as good or even better than the ones we're looking to sign.
The coaches will of seen if there anywhere near the standard in training.
Palace want over £50mil
That’s leaving it too late isn’t it? Might be nobody available by then and the price will only go up again if sellers think we are panicking. Besides, Ole said he wants all his business done by 30th June so he’s got everyone for the full pre-season.
If we could just bag AWB and De Ligt..... That would elevate our defense so so much. I think a defense of De Ligt, Lindelof, AWB and Shaw would be one of the best back 4 in the league.
Walk away then. £50m for him is amazing money for them. He's had 1 good season and his attacking side to his game needs a lot of work
When we signed Keane in 93 he cost £3.75 million - 3 years later players were signed for more than 4 times that amount. Money is not an issue if you sign a young player, if you are absolutely certain he is the player you want.
If he turns out to be a success, in 3 years everyone will say £50 million was a steal for that player.
Shaw, de Ligt, VNL and AWB - noone would laugh at our defense again - and that is a defense that could start for the next 6-7 years. Who cares if we paid £55 or 35 million for AWB - its a brilliant investment regardless
Defensively, yes. Offensively, Shaw and AWB have a lot to learn. They are average in that regard most of the time, at least thats what people say regarding AWB (i cant comment too much on that) and Shaw really is average.. But having a solid defense would already be something great for a first step.
6-7 years form now Dalot will be playing for us. We are basically paying £50 million for a player to sit on the bench for the next 6 years, and we have more promising younsters coming through the acadamy then AWB, fullback prospects than are good both ways.
Shaw has gotten a lot better. I think if we played more of our football in the opposition's half, it would benefit both Shaw and AWB (if he came). Well AWB does not intend on leaving and Palace have no interest in selling which is why I feel we probably won't get him. I would be down for getting Muenier or Telles instead considering Cancelo is City bound.
He's not worth anything over 50M. There's paying the current market price for players of the requisite quality to play for us, and then there's perpetuating market inflation by vastly overpaying for players who are not worth the investment it would take to sign them. If we don't want someone like Meunier who would come cheaper, then let Dalot and our other young players fight it out for that spot. I'm sick of being held for ransom.
Solid defence, not much going forwards imo. Mind you, that's what forward players are for.
I think our fullbacks can be better as playing further forward as wingbacks instead. Even if we don't - we are arguably Sessegnon away from having him and Dalot as these super attacking wingbacks instead.
That's an excellent POV. I am sold.
All excellent points, mate. Especially about player's loyalty. I'm only loyal to my company because they pay and treat me good, I feel improved, and I have job security. It's mostly all about me first and foremost.
So I don't expect differently from another Pros.
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Palace wants 70 million for the player. What the hell do they think they can do next season that will possibly justify the 70 million price tag? Unless he's the key to avoid relegation, I don't see any financial reasoning to keep him unless they hope the cost will increase beyond their current asking. Either way that price is way out of bounds.
I will be amazed if Dalot is better than AWB in 6-7 years time. The evidence so far suggests that Dalot has a long way to go to be a regular starter and already there are indications that he would be better suited converting to a wide midfield player as he is so defensively inept we had to keep playing Young. It is more likely that AWB and Dalot actually become a right sided tandem in the future and when all is said and done that may not be the worst thing for us.
Hate to spoil the party but you can also daydream and say that the attack of Mbappe, Lewy, Ziyech is nothing to scoff at.
Have you been in demanding a 400% pay rise yet?
It doesn't quite work like that. We bought Lukaku for £90m and he's now worth maybe £50m. Martial we bought for £56m and he's maybe worth £40m. Bailly we bought for £30m and he's probably worth £15-20m. Depay we bought for £25m and sold for £15m. Zaha we bought for £15m and sold for £5m. Bebe we bought for £7.5m and sold for less than a third. Phil Jones and Smalling likewise would be a loss.
Obviously it's a brilliant investment if the player turns out to be fantastic... But that's true irrespective of the player and the age. Van Persie was a great investment. If Sanchez scored 25 goals last season and was the difference between 3rd and 6th then he would be a brilliant investment.
Wan Bissaka could be worth £80m in 3 years time and be the best full back in the world and a great investment. He could be literally worth nothing as his salary might price him out of a return to a lower PL side having failed spectacularly.
What separates this scenario for AWB and any other player we buy?
What's Fred worth?
The feck is that about? When has anyone ever referred to him as that?
What would Wan Bisaka be worth if he wasn't English , 15 million ?
We should have learned about overpaying for English full backs with some potential after Shaw.
Much better value to be found elsewhere.
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Fair point, can you name these better value 21 year old full backs to be found elsewhere for 15 million?
£40m and we'll loan you Laird. We'll bump it up to £45m if we win a CL.
I feel like if the 70m talk is just posturing, they will accept 50m.
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