[Orton]

Him receiving the ball puts us on the back foot instantly. Kills so many potential moves before they even have a chance to start.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I have seen 0 Bayern fans that rate him, the ones I have seen even prefer Sule as a RB and they desperately wanted Dest over him.

Pavard knows how to defend, pass, and keep possession, that’s the minimum standard. In addition, world cup winner. Good, they can sign Dest and we get Pavard.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Pavard knows how to defend, pass, and keep possession, that’s the minimum standard. In addition, world cup winner. Good, they can sign Dest and we get Pavard.

Then we should aim higher? He is still quite slow and immobile for a full back, wouldnt fancy him against any tricky winger and his offensive contribution is non-existent.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Then we should aim higher? He is still quite slow and immobile for a full back, wouldnt fancy him against any tricky winger and his offensive contribution is non-existent.

The list you provided are not higher unfortunately. Give me someone else.

 

[AjaxCunian]

The list you provided are not higher unfortunately. Give me someone else.

I would easily have Mazraoui over Pavard who is also much better than Dest that Bayern wanted hard. Pavard is a decent player in 2 of the best respective teams but really not what we need I'd say.

The others have the potential to far exceed him or might be better already, just lack status. But we're often status minded rather than quality and fit here anyway.

 

[lex talionis]

The pk was harsh but his performance overall was underwhelming. He needs to find the magic key to improving his game. He’s been stalled at mediocre for too long.

 

[GDaly95]

A while after he joined us when we were generally improving, my Liverpool-supporting mate kept saying he's going to start holding us back soon as we get to the point of looking to dominate games and that we'll need to move on from him, rendering him very obviously not worth the 50m fee.

I knew this to be true but just argued with him about it saying he was constantly improving on the ball which was silly but you know, tribalism and all that.

It's getting pretty indefensible now but I've dug a hole for myself.

 

[RedCurry]

There’s no chance he can continue to play at this level and be in the first team. He has to either improve under the new management or he’ll be gone. Just isn’t at a good enough level.

 

[Oranges038]

As a player, he's strong physically, he's quick when he wants to be, he's got good stamina and he doesn't really pick up injuries. That side of things is all very good.

Defensively, aside from the occasional slide tackle, theres nothing there. Defensive positioning is awful, his decision making /when to close down/ how tight to get to a player is just not good enough. His awareness of danger /reading the game around him is just awful.

If you go past that and strip him down to just his basic technical abilities as a footballer on the ball, first touch, passing, dribbling etc. These are all so poor and for a guy who was supposedly a winger, it just makes no sense that he ever got this far in the game given how poor they are.

He's just not good enough. He doesn't seem like he learns from his mistakes, he hasn't improved reallt since he arrived at the club. He really just needs to be replaced.

 

[Eckers99]

Unless he has an unlikely upswing in form under Rangnick, we should be looking at right backs next summer. He hasn't improved at all since we signed him. Might even have regressed.

 

[Baneofthegame]

Really hasn’t improved the weaknesses in this game, his off the ball awareness at times is atrocious.

 

[Abraxas]

It's got to the point that he's simply not good enough for what we need moving forward and the prospects of significant improvement are diminishing. We've had a couple of years where we were most likely to see improvement and he has, but it's not been quick or easy.

He'll do a job of some description for now but he's leaving a lot to be desired with his handling of the football, distribution, positioning. I thought he was a bit unlucky today in that I don't think he made a decision there, he's simply not aware. Most of the time that wouldn't happen but somehow it's not surprising he'd do something like that either.

I think he's going to have to become more of a niche player for certain situations, or develop into a new position with the help of some coaching. I don't think Ralf Rangnick can make a silk purse out of him as an offensive force. People say you can get away with one defensive fullback but I think that idea is limiting, and even examples of this typically take the ball better than AWB.

 

[Jackal981]

I have seen 0 Bayern fans that rate him, the ones I have seen even prefer Sule as a RB and they desperately wanted Dest over him.

Wait till they see Wan Bissaka. They will gouge their eyes out. Seriously he hasnt improved one bit since coming here. His positioning is horrible too. How many times him and Sancho get on each other way its insane

 

[Atheist]

John O’Shea was miles better as a right back than Wan Bissaka. And O’Shea wasn’t even a natural right back. Really telling how our standards for a decent right back have fallen.

 

[bugmat]

The amount of times he leaves the back post open is worrying. That Rudiger chance should've been a goal. I don't know what he was doing there. Chelsea only had Lukaku in the centre and our centre backs were in position.

He's been awful this season and very lazy, bt Rudgier being open was on Lingard who was marking no one.

 

[Wolf1992]

I would easily have Mazraoui over Pavard who is also much better than Dest that Bayern wanted hard. Pavard is a decent player in 2 of the best respective teams but really not what we need I'd say.

The others have the potential to far exceed him or might be better already, just lack status. But we're often status minded rather than quality and fit here anyway.

No disrespect, but Dest is overrated due to coming from Ajax academy and being young, the only young Barca player worthy of praise now is Pedri, the rest not so much.
Sule and Pavard are better than Dest, and Mazraoui is shining in the dutch league mainly, we have saw many Ajax young stars that were not so good when they moved out of Netherlands in the last decade.
So I'd would be very careful about hyping Mazraoui or other Ajax youngsters until they don't move out of Netherlands...we saw what happened with De Light and Frenkie De Jong, none of them did outside of Eridivisie what their hype suggested they would while playing for Ajax.

No offense, but saying so sure that Mazraoui is better than Pavard or Süle(2 consolidated players) when he is 24 and still playing in Eridivisie is ridiculous.

 

[WR10]

You know, he used to be so godly good at defending his channel that I overlooked his basketball player esque style of dribbling.

Now he has been infected with Rashford's laissez-faire intensity. His jogging over to close down wingers is excruciating to watch.

Where's his fire?

 

[Member 105568]

How much would Livramento cost? His Chelsea buy-back is 43 million but not active for a couple of years, so I guess Soton would want ridiculous money to sell him now. Is Laird at a similar level to Livramento?

 

[Ted Lasso]

John O’Shea was miles better as a right back than Wan Bissaka. And O’Shea wasn’t even a natural right back. Really telling how our standards for a decent right back have fallen.

£50 million. Deficiencies everybody and their mother could see from miles away. Really poor signing.

That said he hasn't had the opportunity to be coached by a proper fronf-foot attacking manager. He's still young enough to learn so let's hope he is a sponge with Ragnick.

 

[Bebestation]

Our rivals like City and Chelsea have 100mil players on the bench.

I do think we need an attacking alternative to Wan Bissaka to start games playing in a traditional attacking way - at the same time I'm not eager to sell Wan bissaka being our 2nd RB as an alternative just because I do think he has some good performances for us and I personally don't care how much initially he cost. I like the idea of having a attacking RB and a defensive RB in the squad and letting them compete and get chosen depending on what we may need.

 

[izak]

Worst RB I'd seen play for us, we spent 50m in this shitbag?

 

[AjaxCunian]

No disrespect, but Dest is overrated due to coming from Ajax academy and being young, the only young Barca player worthy of praise now is Pedri, the rest not so much.
Sule and Pavard are better than Dest, and Mazraoui is shining in the dutch league mainly, we have saw many Ajax young stars that were not so good when they moved out of Netherlands in the last decade.
So I'd would be very careful about hyping Mazraoui or other Ajax youngsters until they don't move out of Netherlands...we saw what happened with De Light and Frenkie De Jong, none of them did outside of Eridivisie what their hype suggested they would while playing for Ajax.

No offense, but saying so sure that Mazraoui is better than Pavard or Süle(2 consolidated players) when he is 24 and still playing in Eridivisie is ridiculous.

He is shining in the CL mainly, and has for years now.

Barcelona and Bayern are the clubs that wanted Dest hard, mainly cause of his style of play I guess, though I don't think he's great. Pedri, Gavi, Fati are the best their age.

 

[Foxbatt]

You know, he used to be so godly good at defending his channel that I overlooked his basketball player esque style of dribbling.

Now he has been infected with Rashford's laissez-faire intensity. His jogging over to close down wingers is excruciating to watch.

Where's his fire?

Why doesn't he sprint back to defend? All he does is jog back. You have Fred, Bruno, Telles and even Sancho sprinting back while Wan Bissaka is out for an evening job. None of the coaches say anything to him about this. I am sure that with better coaching he will get to be a better player. `or if he does not then he will be sold.

 

[studs]

Penalty aside he doesn't even say a word in defence of his error, not a word. Just walks around chewing gum and stares at the ref. His team mates wouldn't even communicate with him.

 

[Dan_F]

His attacking play doesn’t worry me as much as his general ability to control the ball and pass forward quickly. Every time we have a goal kick you can tell the ball is going to end up at his feet and be punted in hope down the line.

My only hope is that there has been little coaching for this, so he is just having to make it up as he goes along. Because it really doesn’t look like he is practicing these situations.

 

[Adisa]

Can't believe he was still a winger until just before his pro debut.
He is a pressing trigger for every single team we face because every man and his dog knows he's awkward on the ball. We can't carry any passengers.

 

[romufc]

I have been saying this for a while, he is a very big problem in this team. He is a bad defender, worse on the ball and an awful attacker.

The only thing he excels at is last ditch defending, which is not a trait to be proud of tbh.

I would rather a defender win a ball back from better positioning than to realise late and have to put in a last ditch tackle.

I say it again, in the top half he might be the worst RB in the league.

 

[Hughes35]

I'd love us to sign Lamptey, I've seen him a few times this season and he has been absolutley brilliant every time.

AWB has his used but he just doesn't seem to learn. He is great at what he's great at, and shocking at the rest. Strange player but I don't think he has the natural footballing intelligence to change.

 

[Patchbeard]

He's not great, but Dalot was another level of shit the one game he started against Villareal. They tore us apart down that side. AWB can generally hold his own defensively, in fact he's great at 1on1 duels, but then it's all the other facets of his game where he's not good enough, and it was the lack of awareness yesterday. He's still better than Dalot though so the shouts that he's the worst RB people have ever seen at this club are silly when he's not even the worst RB currently, there's Williams too out on loan who's also much shitter defensively.

 

[Cloud7]

England have arguably more quality depth in the RB position than any other nation in world football right now. It’s appalling that he’s the one we ended up with.

 

[Cloud7]

He's not great, but Dalot was another level of shit the one game he started against Villareal. They tore us apart down that side. AWB can generally hold his own defensively, in fact he's great at 1on1 duels, but then it's all the other facets of his game where he's not good enough, and it was the lack of awareness yesterday. He's still better than Dalot though so the shouts that he's the worst RB people have ever seen at this club are silly when he's not even the worst RB currently, there's Williams too out on loan who's also much shitter defensively.

Being better than Dalot and Williams is not the standard a Manchester United RB should be held to.

 

[Trex]

He's a useful player but he is massively technically limited, I am of the opinion that technically limited players (Fred, Mctominay, Awb) have no place starting week in week out at united, you'll never dominate games with this players and I don't think an attacking minded manager would have them. If Rangnick implements a system that is anything like what we see at Klopp's Liverpool, this players would have to improve and do so quickly or they'll be dropped.

 

[Shinjch]

He is a player who needs replaced urgently, he is a problem in so many ways.

 

[Coops73]

Really poor again yesterday, I think I’d rather see Dalit get a run in the side.

 

[Chicharito_]

Ralf's first victim imo.

 

[Marwood]

As a player, he's strong physically, he's quick when he wants to be, he's got good stamina and he doesn't really pick up injuries. That side of things is all very good.

Defensively, aside from the occasional slide tackle, theres nothing there. Defensive positioning is awful, his decision making /when to close down/ how tight to get to a player is just not good enough. His awareness of danger /reading the game around him is just awful.

If you go past that and strip him down to just his basic technical abilities as a footballer on the ball, first touch, passing, dribbling etc. These are all so poor and for a guy who was supposedly a winger, it just makes no sense that he ever got this far in the game given how poor they are.

He's just not good enough. He doesn't seem like he learns from his mistakes, he hasn't improved reallt since he arrived at the club. He really just needs to be replaced.

There's nothing wrong with his first touch. He gets played into trouble numerous times every game and deals with it pretty well in terms of first touch and retaining the ball. He's got a trick as well to work some space.

Beyond that his right foot is limited, lacks culture. However the biggest problem is how nervous he looks. You've got to confident playing for United and he isn't.

On top of that we don't use him right at all, a problem we have with quite a few players.

If your right back isn't great on the ball stop passing it to him so much. For some reason we've made him the out ball this season when common sense dictates he's the last player we should be doing that with.

Dead simple. I'm not saying don't give him the ball at all but get the ball forwards instead. A lot of problems solved.

 

[Stacks]

He has been deceiving people for a while due to his last ditch tackles and ability to mark pacey wingers out of the game occasionally. I recall RB targeting him. I doubt he will get much better and has too many weaknesses to be top level. He was a lazy signing at £50 mill and one EPL season under his belt. Do our scouts actually study players?

 

[Oranges038]

There's nothing wrong with his first touch. He gets played into trouble numerous times every game and deals with it pretty well in terms of first touch and retaining the ball. He's got a trick as well to work some space.

Beyond that his right foot is limited, lacks culture. However the biggest problem is how nervous he looks. You've got to confident playing for United and he isn't.

On top of that we don't use him right at all, a problem we have with quite a few players.

If your right back isn't great on the ball stop passing it to him so much. For some reason we've made him the out ball this season when common sense dictates he's the last player we should be doing that with.

Dead simple. I'm not saying don't give him the ball at all but get the ball forwards instead. A lot of problems solved.

Nah, his technical abiltiy on the ball is ridiculously poor for a PL player. He's just not good enough on the ball full stop. He can barely even find a player with a throw in ffs.

He's just not good enough.

 

[MTF]

If your right back isn't great on the ball stop passing it to him so much. For some reason we've made him the out ball this season when common sense dictates he's the last player we should be doing that with.

Dead simple. I'm not saying don't give him the ball at all but get the ball forwards instead. A lot of problems solved.

You can't really hide more than maybe 1 of your backline + defensive mid players from the press. You can hide a DM by having them come in between the CBs so they can receive the ball looking forwards vs pressed from behind, but it's a shit solution because you'd actually want a good player getting the ball from there to hopefully play a pass that relieves pressure. A fullback you can only hide by sending them forward up the line, so that they aren't an option for a short pass anymore. But also they're not a threat up there due to the aforementioned lack of skill, plus they end up miles from the backline in case possession is lost.

Basically the point is that the opposition gets a vote. If they are going to leave your least skilled player somewhat open you're going to have to pass to him or other players will be facing added pressure. To play a possession game all over the pitch you need all players to have a minimum proficiency on the ball, which AWB is failing at.

 

[Marwood]

Nah, his technical abiltiy on the ball is ridiculously poor for a PL player. He's just not good enough on the ball full stop. He can barely even find a player with a throw in ffs.

He's just not good enough.

Maybe not but there's a tendency to think because he's a bit clumsy in some aspects he's crap at everything on the ball . Which I disagree with. His first touch, dealing with it under pressure, working a bit of space is all good enough.