The final episode will just see the comet crash to earth and kill everyone dead or the dragons turn on everyone
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The final episode will just see the comet crash to earth and kill everyone dead or the dragons turn on everyone
See the whole time I kept thinking "this is way too good to be true, arya about to find her mother, Robb to take the north back. Somethings going to happen ". Never imagined it'd be that though... Ygritte just died as well, this is getting ridiculous. I'm almost scared to finish this, at this rate its liable to end with tyrion being murdered by cersei while Joffrey tortures and/or rapes sansa.
Never read a series with this many ups and downs or dead good guys.
I've never read the books, yet for some reason I've decided to spoil everything for myself on the Wiki, in hindsight I have no fecking idea why.
Ahh well, might as well read the books now.
Ahh well, might as well read the books now.
GRRM just loves to feck around with the readers.
Everyone says Azar Ahai is going to be Jon but I wouldn't be surprised if that was all just a wind up and it'll be fecking Patchface instead.
Everyone says Azar Ahai is going to be Jon but I wouldn't be surprised if that was all just a wind up and it'll be fecking Patchface instead.
I've always maintained that there is no Azar Ahai. It's just a story.
Could be. Would actually prefer that!
Rob was cool, I liked him and then he gets ganked, I then checked the synopsis for the rest of the books to make sure Arya and Jon where mentioned, but I don't hold out any hope that they will survive the books.
Jon is knifed in the throat, if she resurrects him, he won't heal the damage so he's be zombie mode. Arya is going anonymous assassin mode, so she'll never regain her birthright.
The people to cheer for is getting less and less, I couldn't give a shit about the Dornish and Dany is beginning to bore me
Jon is knifed in the throat, if she resurrects him, he won't heal the damage so he's be zombie mode. Arya is going anonymous assassin mode, so she'll never regain her birthright.
The people to cheer for is getting less and less, I couldn't give a shit about the Dornish and Dany is beginning to bore me
Nooooooooooooo! Wrong thread. feck you all.
What timing
Poor Cassius!!!!!
Is she, though? I really don't want her to. And throughout the entire series, the focus with Arya has been that she wants revenge on the people who have hurt her. She's not supposed to have people to have revenge on if she's a Faceless Man (girl). She's actively trying to avoid the "you are not Arya anymore" part. For her to have any relevance to the plot at large in the rest of the books, she can't go completely native, can she?
Hope not.
I agree, from memory I think she still has her sword hidden in the steps. She's definitely out to get revenge, and on a personal note, I want to see her reunited with Nymeria.
Anybody find Ygritte in the TV series alot more attractive than as described in the book?
In the book I felt like she was the kind of girl that you don't notice is actually kind of attractive right away but realize it later. Really the big thing was her crooked teeth, but as a non-film-makeup expert, I don't know how easy that would be to do.
Then again they did a good job making Brienne unattractive.
Then again they did a good job making Brienne unattractive.
Not only crooked teeth. She also had a pug nose, split hair ends and was kind of dirty.
In the show she has perfect teeth, eyebrows have recently been done, perfectly clean and her nose is fine.
They don't bother much to change character appearances with make up. Rorge has his nose, Biter has normal teeth. Besides the Hound I can't remember anyone else that they added make up on to significantly alter their appearance. I don't know why. Can't imagine the teeth being hard. Austin Powers or vampires anyone?
I expect they want the audience to really like her so by keeping her normal face they'll like her more. People like attractive actors better. If she weren't attractive then the fan girls would get mad that Jon Snow would hit that when they sit at home feeling more prettier than her and not getting the same action.
In the show she has perfect teeth, eyebrows have recently been done, perfectly clean and her nose is fine.
They don't bother much to change character appearances with make up. Rorge has his nose, Biter has normal teeth. Besides the Hound I can't remember anyone else that they added make up on to significantly alter their appearance. I don't know why. Can't imagine the teeth being hard. Austin Powers or vampires anyone?
I expect they want the audience to really like her so by keeping her normal face they'll like her more. People like attractive actors better. If she weren't attractive then the fan girls would get mad that Jon Snow would hit that when they sit at home feeling more prettier than her and not getting the same action.
Well as a widling she doesn't really need to be ugly, just unkempt. It's not as if south of the wall they have free dental care so only the wildings have bad teeth. It makes much more sense for her to be at least somewhat attractive, we have to believe he could fall for her.
I agree. This girl is more like a model rather then a normal girl with crooked teeth but with a lovely face.
What really pissed me off by the show is the imp's so called action of sending whores to Joffrey. That was really out of line. The Imp is too bright and kind hearted to send whores to that monster.
Robb's death sign the end of unconditional honour and the good prince in shining armour type of character. Robb had everything, he was a genius in battlefield and he had a great army only to lose everything by marrying a minor noble and giving too much space to subjects (Bolton) and wards (Theon) alike. After that point, any contender to the crown will have to close an eye and cut corners to win.
The obvioud progression I think at this point is Jon to end up going to Dany, ending up becoming her Husband and riding into the north on Rhaegal, named for his ??father??
I think GRRM has reached a point of saturation in terms of his characters. He can't simply off Tyrion, Arya, Jon (dead for keeps) etc until the very end, because there are only two books left. That isn't really enough time to introduce new main POV characters that the reader is going to grab onto.
I don't think we will see more than maybe or or two MAJOR POV characters to eat it, and a couple secondary POV characters.
That said, all bets are off in the finale.
My expectation is that Dany is Azor Ahai, Jon will be a vehicle to take Melisandra to Dany, as Stanis was a vehicle to take her to Jon. Jon will either seek her out across the narrow sea, or he will meet her when she lands with her army in the final book.
Arya will probably come back into the mix in the final book, having finished her training she will be contracted to kill either Jon or Dany.
How Tyrion figures into this?
Everyone dies and Tyrion climbs his stumpy ass onto the Iron throne
I think GRRM has reached a point of saturation in terms of his characters. He can't simply off Tyrion, Arya, Jon (dead for keeps) etc until the very end, because there are only two books left. That isn't really enough time to introduce new main POV characters that the reader is going to grab onto.
I don't think we will see more than maybe or or two MAJOR POV characters to eat it, and a couple secondary POV characters.
That said, all bets are off in the finale.
My expectation is that Dany is Azor Ahai, Jon will be a vehicle to take Melisandra to Dany, as Stanis was a vehicle to take her to Jon. Jon will either seek her out across the narrow sea, or he will meet her when she lands with her army in the final book.
Arya will probably come back into the mix in the final book, having finished her training she will be contracted to kill either Jon or Dany.
How Tyrion figures into this?
Everyone dies and Tyrion climbs his stumpy ass onto the Iron throne
I don't want to give you spoilers but now Sansa will go on fury mode, she will take Syrio Forrell reserve wooden sword and kill everyone (The Lannisters, the Freys, the Baratheons even the Wildlings). Then she will find a blonde side kick with a wooden staff in her hand, they'll have some lesbian sex and finally they will defeat the God of War/Carlos Solis.
I think she keeps getting called back, the green/wolf dreams.
I dunno she's young and literally everyone she knew is dead already, Jon (maybe) Bran(tree), Rickon (maybe) and Sansa are still kicking but that's about it, there's not an awful lot calling her back to Winterfell, she was never happy on settling and being a lady.
Her to-kill list has dwindled, without her direct input, she's probably forgotten at least half of them by now, people got added to the list for causing her personal hurt or she judged evil in the immediate area (the tickler), we've seen the longer she's away from them the more that fades. She never even recites the list before sleep now, or at least hasn't been shown to, for at least a book (unless I'm just faulty in the memory) .
Apart from Cersei, who's even left that she ever judged directly responsible for her Father's death, the most grievous sin caused to her.
I can see her going full native, and just go off assassin-ing for a while, as for how to keep her story relevant ?
One idea I can see happening, is that Dany becomes Queen.
She gets crowned, all is good, She's alone in the Throne room, Arya steps out of the shadows and gives her the old Columbian neck tie.
"Valar Morghulis"
Credits.
The miserable ending, I prefer the Scooby-Doo ending myself.
I would believe it even if she was fat. Jon is a virgin. He's sleeping tight to her at night. He's spending every moment with her. And she's pretty much the only woman he's talked to in months (besides Gillie for that short period). Of course he'll get horny as feck. All it takes would be for her to say the words since he's a kind of shy and a very polite fellow.
Speaking of which. Anyone surprised that there weren't any talk of guys bumming at the wall? Since it's basically prison you would assume that it would be going on there. A lot of them are rapists as well after all.
The obvioud progression I think at this point is Jon to end up going to Dany, ending up becoming her Husband and riding into the north on Rhaegal, named for his ??father??
I think GRRM has reached a point of saturation in terms of his characters. He can't simply off Tyrion, Arya, Jon (dead for keeps) etc until the very end, because there are only two books left. That isn't really enough time to introduce new main POV characters that the reader is going to grab onto.
I don't think we will see more than maybe or or two MAJOR POV characters to eat it, and a couple secondary POV characters.
That said, all bets are off in the finale.
My expectation is that Dany is Azor Ahai, Jon will be a vehicle to take Melisandra to Dany, as Stanis was a vehicle to take her to Jon. Jon will either seek her out across the narrow sea, or he will meet her when she lands with her army in the final book.
Arya will probably come back into the mix in the final book, having finished her training she will be contracted to kill either Jon or Dany.
How Tyrion figures into this?
Everyone dies and Tyrion climbs his stumpy ass onto the Iron throne
GRRM said there won't be any new POV in the last 2 books.
I read the TV show thread and it seems like alot of people find Daenarys' storyline a little boring and uneventful? Not sure why but I suppose starting from the next episode onwards they will have a very different take on it! I hope they do justice to her visit to the house of the undying.
Also, the TV show version of Roose Bolton was nothing like I imagined. I thought he was supposed to have longer hair and a real pale complexion.
Supposed to be a stone cold emotionless type too.
Also, the TV show version of Roose Bolton was nothing like I imagined. I thought he was supposed to have longer hair and a real pale complexion.
Supposed to be a stone cold emotionless type too.
Excellent episode. I'm not sure I like what they did with Jaime, though. One of the "revelations" in the later books is that he's not really a monster. Kinslaying seems a bit much. But I suppose it's not beyond belief that he would be desperate enough to do it.
The rest was great. I knew what would be coming when they mentioned the two neighbor boys. Many will spot it, I'm sure, but it still leaves some doubt, which is good.
Liked that episode very much.
The rest was great. I knew what would be coming when they mentioned the two neighbor boys. Many will spot it, I'm sure, but it still leaves some doubt, which is good.
Liked that episode very much.
The scenes between Arya and Tywin are immense was it always that overt that he knew she was bullshitting him ? gonna have to re-read that part of the books.
Fooking hell, they are changing so much from the books.
Most of the main plot still remains the same though
I feel like they made that part a bit too obvious. I guess it's not a big deal if people guess what is really going on, but I think it throws away a big potential reveal later.
I agree about Jaime killing his cousin. By the end of the fourth book we know that Jaime is actually pretty damn clean and the only thing you could really fault him for is the probably justified backstabbing of a mad king and the rash decision to push a child out of a window. I guess the incest too. Maybe they're trying to portray him as a "changed" character later instead of one who is slightly evil but mostly misunderstood.
My favorite scene in that last episode has to be the Tyrion vs Cersei one from a book adaptation perspective. I remember that portion was narrator heavy, and I think both actors did a great job of conveying all the awkward emotions from that scene from text to screen. That look right at the end when Cersei's face showed she realized her ugly imp little brother was actually pitying her was magic.
From GRRM: WINDS OF WINTER. Yes, I'm working on that too. At the moment, I am writing about the Dothraki. More than that, I sayeth not, you know I don't like to talk about this stuff.
Hurry up before you die!
Hurry up before you die!
Really liked that episode, lots of deviations from the books (mainly with Jon, Jaime and Daenerys), which seems to be annoying people, but I don't mind it, if it was a direct copy of the books I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much!
Still, they made the Bran/Rickon thing a bit too obvious, I think they should've left out the fact that there were orphan boys at the stable and revealed that afterwards. Most people who haven't read the books have copped it. Maybe they'll leave Bran out of the show until the next series now to keep it in more doubt. Brutal scene at the end though with the children hanging.
Also, last episode Cersei was telling Tyrion she wants to make him suffer for his actions, and now in this episode they're having a big heart-to-heart moment? Bit of disjointed writing there.
Ygritte is a fox, I'm sure she'll be in the nip soon enough!
Still, they made the Bran/Rickon thing a bit too obvious, I think they should've left out the fact that there were orphan boys at the stable and revealed that afterwards. Most people who haven't read the books have copped it. Maybe they'll leave Bran out of the show until the next series now to keep it in more doubt. Brutal scene at the end though with the children hanging.
Also, last episode Cersei was telling Tyrion she wants to make him suffer for his actions, and now in this episode they're having a big heart-to-heart moment? Bit of disjointed writing there.
Ygritte is a fox, I'm sure she'll be in the nip soon enough!
I forsee problems down the line. It's deviating more and more
Recently the changes they've made from the books have been alright by me. The kid killing was a bit obvious I agree. And Jamie killing the cousin was a bit unnecessary. Them two faking a fight, escaping like Jamie did and the cousin then getting hanged would have been great, just like in the books, because I really dig the Jamie character and the actor is brilliant.
I found the Daenarys chapters a bit boring in the books. I've actually never liked her. I was hoping the black dragon would eat her at the end of ADWD. But they made the TV plot interesting for me at least. Good on them.
I'm pretty sure the Cersei-Tyrion moment was like that in the book as well and it turned out Cersei was just really playing him wasn't she. Tyrion cursed it later and vowed never to pity her or get fooled again or something.
And I don't find Ygritte hot at all. Not my type. Take that all you "whateverhernameis" lovers!
Very nice episode all in all.
I found the Daenarys chapters a bit boring in the books. I've actually never liked her. I was hoping the black dragon would eat her at the end of ADWD. But they made the TV plot interesting for me at least. Good on them.
I'm pretty sure the Cersei-Tyrion moment was like that in the book as well and it turned out Cersei was just really playing him wasn't she. Tyrion cursed it later and vowed never to pity her or get fooled again or something.
And I don't find Ygritte hot at all. Not my type. Take that all you "whateverhernameis" lovers!
Very nice episode all in all.
I think John Snow should have just smashed that ginger bird.
That magician in Qarth with Kallisi's dragon is weird as feck too, why did she react the way she did? Killing the rest of that council (who hadn't exactly been nice to her) was a good thing I assume?
Watch it every week but I've picked up few of the names, clearly a good story perhaps I should pay it more attention.
That magician in Qarth with Kallisi's dragon is weird as feck too, why did she react the way she did? Killing the rest of that council (who hadn't exactly been nice to her) was a good thing I assume?
Watch it every week but I've picked up few of the names, clearly a good story perhaps I should pay it more attention.
I think you're in the wrong thread.
Having these two threads is like playing a game of natural selection. Eventually more and more will fall victim to the "oops, I clicked the wrong thread and now I know everything" trap, except for the few stalwarts.
Don't know why they would though. They have totally different names.
Nobody who has read the books posts in there by accident. Don't see why it keeps happening the other way around.