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Revan said:
Of course killing Cat wasn't an option. But leaving her at her father's castle was an option. Something that he did later, when she left Jaime go.

He had the Riverlunds support cause he was Cat's son and so Edmure followed him. The real power came from Edmure who was de-facto lord of Riverlunds. And IIRC, Edmure advides him to not take Catelyn with the army.

Karstark killed a Lannister hostage, and why he was important (being Kevan's son) it wasn't something that can determine the war. On the other side, Jaime capture was somethign that could give Stark's a lot of powers. He could have easily made a Sansa-Jaime swap of hostages, but not a Willem-Sansa.

Of course what Karstark did was wrong, but you don't lose 3 thousands o ro soldiers for that. At times you need to be flexible, and turn a blind eye. Which Robb didn't do, unless when it comes to his and his mother mistakes.

As bad as it sounds, he deserved what he got.
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Cat was always at her father's castle. Robb never took her to any battle and refused to take her North when he was planning to take it back. The only time she moves with Robb is when she leads him past the Twins (Which Robb wouldn't have without her) and towards Riverrun.

Jaime-Sansa was never going to happen. Robb repeatedly refused to even consider it.

You've got it the other way around. Robb had already lost the Karstark soldiers who had deserted immediately after killing the hostage.
 
Waldner said:
Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, The 100, Heroes, Lost, My Wife and Kids, Arrow, Oz, 24 and The Bill are mine.

Game of Thrones has to be in there, it's right up there alongside all those others listed.
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According to GRRM there are only going to be 13 PoV's in the Winds (plus the prologue and epilogue). Seems quite a small number and if true it means some prominent PoV's from the previous books will miss out. I have this feeling that Jon will not have a PoV in the next book...
 
akash02 said:
According to GRRM there are only going to be 13 PoV's in the Winds (plus the prologue and epilogue). Seems quite a small number and if true it means some prominent PoV's from the previous books will miss out. I have this feeling that Jon will not have a PoV in the next book...
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My guess would be Victarion cut, one of Jon/Melisandre cut, Areo cut, Brienne cut, Jon Connington cut, Asha cut, and obviously some more on top of that. A wildcard would be Daenerys getting cut, and her character now being told through Tyrion.
 
Cheesy said:
My guess would be Victarion cut, one of Jon/Melisandre cut, Areo cut, Brienne cut, Jon Connington cut, Asha cut, and obviously some more on top of that. A wildcard would be Daenerys getting cut, and her character now being told through Tyrion.
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The following are confirmed:

  1. Theon
  2. Victarion
  3. Aeron
  4. Arianne
  5. Sansa
  6. Arya
  7. Barristan
  8. Tyrion

So another 5 from Bran, Jaime, Brienne, Cersie, Dany, Davos, JonCon, Areo, Asha.

One would think Bran is a dead cert. Asha is unnecessary now that Theon is with Stannis but the hard to say with the rest.
 
akash02 said:
The following are confirmed:

  1. Theon
  2. Victarion
  3. Aeron
  4. Arianne
  5. Sansa
  6. Arya
  7. Barristan
  8. Tyrion

So another 5 from Bran, Jaime, Brienne, Cersie, Dany, Davos, JonCon, Areo, Asha.

One would think Bran is a dead cert. Asha is unnecessary now that Theon is with Stannis but the hard to say with the rest.
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  1. Theon
  2. Victarion
  3. Aeron
  4. Arianne
  5. Sansa
  6. Arya
  7. Barristan
  8. Tyrion
  9. Bran
  10. Jaime
  11. Cersei
  12. Davos
  13. Jon/Melisandre
 
Cheesy said:
  1. Theon
  2. Victarion
  3. Aeron
  4. Arianne
  5. Sansa
  6. Arya
  7. Barristan
  8. Tyrion
  9. Bran
  10. Jaime
  11. Cersei
  12. Davos
  13. Jon/Melisandre
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Brave call going with no Dany there. With all her Dothraki stuff I reckon she will have a PoV.

I'd add Dany and Sam and remove Jon and Davos from that list.
 
akash02 said:
The following are confirmed:

  1. Theon
  2. Victarion
  3. Aeron
  4. Arianne
  5. Sansa
  6. Arya
  7. Barristan
  8. Tyrion

So another 5 from Bran, Jaime, Brienne, Cersie, Dany, Davos, JonCon, Areo, Asha.

One would think Bran is a dead cert. Asha is unnecessary now that Theon is with Stannis but the hard to say with the rest.
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Bran, Cersei and Dany pretty sure will be there IMO.

I guess the other two are Jaime or Brienne (not both) and Davos. JonCon/Aegon story will be covered from Arianne's point of view (similarily how in books 2 and 3, despite Robb being a very important character, his story was covered from Catelyn's POV).

I don't think that we'll see Jon until the epilogue of next book. At-least, not in the human form.

NB: forgot fat Sam. I guess he'll be there to cover the Citadel. So probably, no Davos in the next book. But then, someone has to cover the Wall, so Mel should be.

Final 13:

1. Theon (Winterfell)
2. Victarion (Meeren)
3. Aeron (Iron Islands)
4. Arianne (Dorne)
5. Sansa (Vale)
6. Arya (Braavos)
7. Barristan (Meeren)
8. Tyrion (Meeren)
9. Bran (north of the wall)
10. Cersei (Kingslanding)
11. Daenerys (Dothraki)
12. Sam (Citadel)
13. Melisandre (The Wall)

If Jaime is, then I think that Danny won't be. Already 3 characters with POV in Meeren.

If that is not the case, then it would mean that Jaime's head will be chopped in the prologue.

It would be quite brave from Martin, if he doesn't give a point of view to Daenerys in the next book. Two most important characters of the saga, to not have a POV in the next book. I think that her story might be covered from Tyrion and Barristan, which in bright side would mean that all the crap with her surviving the Dothraki tribe will be cut and be shown only in a few pages in a conversation with Barristan/Tyrion/Victarion.
 
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akash02 said:
Brave call going with no Dany there. With all her Dothraki stuff I reckon she will have a PoV.

I'd add Dany and Sam and remove Jon and Davos from that list.
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Oh shit, forgot Sam. Daenerys probably will too, actually.

We'll get one of Jon/Melisandre at the Wall. Davos is surely bound to get one as well because he's off to find Rickon at Skaagos.
 
akash02 said:
The following are confirmed:

  1. Theon
  2. Victarion
  3. Aeron
  4. Arianne
  5. Sansa
  6. Arya
  7. Barristan
  8. Tyrion

So another 5 from Bran, Jaime, Brienne, Cersie, Dany, Davos, JonCon, Areo, Asha.

One would think Bran is a dead cert. Asha is unnecessary now that Theon is with Stannis but the hard to say with the rest.
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Yet Barristan is dead in the show :rolleyes:
 
@Revan @Cheesy

My wildcard prediction is no PoV at the wall. We'll see Jon and the wall through Bran.

And George has also said the 13 will become a lot fewer come the end. Curtains for Barristan and Victarion I reckon. Probably Arianne and Cersie as well.
 
akash02 said:
@Revan @Cheesy

My wildcard prediction is no PoV at the wall. We'll see Jon and the wall through Bran.

And George has also said the 13 will become a lot fewer come the end. Curtains for Barristan and Victarion I reckon. Probably Arianne and Cersie as well.
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Yeah, for the final book, I would guess we'll have Daenerys, Jon, Tyrion, Sansa, Arya and Bran. These are pretty much safe bets that will survive the next book. Then probably another 3 or 4 other POV (Cersei most likely will survive until she meets Tyrion, and I doubt that will happen in the next book).

Seeing Wall from Bran is very probable. Which would leave Jaime showing us the Riverlands.

Still, don't get the point why so many Meeren POV.
 
Revan said:
Still, don't get the point why so many Meeren POV.
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Don't get this either but from the sample chapters the battle looks like it's going to be epic. Victarion has that horn though which might be why he's a PoV.
 
Revan said:
Yeah, for the final book, I would guess we'll have Daenerys, Jon, Tyrion, Sansa, Arya and Bran. These are pretty much safe bets that will survive the next book. Then probably another 3 or 4 other POV (Cersei most likely will survive until she meets Tyrion, and I doubt that will happen in the next book).

Seeing Wall from Bran is very probable. Which would leave Jaime showing us the Riverlands.

Still, don't get the point why so many Meeren POV.
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akash02 said:
Don't get this either but from the sample chapters the battle looks like it's going to be epic. Victarion has that horn though which might be why he's a PoV.
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I guess it would be similar to the Battle of Blackwater - which had POVs of Tyrion, Davos and Sansa - with Barristan, Tyrion and Victarion showing the Battle from their view points and how it affects their plans.
 
harshad said:
I guess it would be similar to the Battle of Blackwater - which had POVs of Tyrion, Davos and Sansa - with Barristan, Tyrion and Victarion showing the Battle from their view points and how it affects their plans.
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That's a good point seeing as all 3 have different goals.
 
akash02 said:
That's a good point seeing as all 3 have different goals.
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Will Tyrion and Barristan have different goals?

Barristan will check out in that battle, right? If that happens, then I guess it will give the chance to Tyrion to become Danny's right hand.
 
Revan said:
Will Tyrion and Barristan have different POV?

Barristan will check out in that battle, right? If that happens, then I guess it will give the chance to Tyrion to become Danny's right hand.
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I think so. Barristan will purely represent Dany's interests and nothing else. Tyrion seems to have mentally checked out. His sole aim seems to be getting Casterley Rock and getting as many of his family members killed as possible. Tyrion will play both sides to get what he wants.

Nah, I'm certain he'll survive that battle. I don't see Dany meeting Tyrion until close to the end of the book.
 
Revan said:
Will Tyrion and Barristan have different goals?

Barristan will check out in that battle, right? If that happens, then I guess it will give the chance to Tyrion to become Danny's right hand.
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I am not sure whether Barristan will die in this Battle. For Tyrion to have any hope of surviving the meeting with Dany, he would have to have someone stopping Dany from killing him. Without Barristan, Dany may well kill Tyrion immediately upon getting to know his lineage. Having Jorah by his side also doesn't help Tyrion's case. His best chance is Barristan telling Dany that neither Tywin nor Cersie were particularly fond of Tyrion and coupled with the fact that Tyrion killed Tywin, he should not be executed, at least for the moment.

Also, Tyrion is the only person in Meeren who knows about (F)Aegon. He could probably exchange his knowledge of Aegon, his supporters, his plans for his life.
 
Isn't Davos dead? I remember being really gutted about Davos being dead, is there some theory to the contrary?

edit: just read the wiki. Now I'm a bit dreading the next book to come out as I'm gunna have to spend so much time re-reading the others.
 
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Simbo said:
Isn't Davos dead? I remember being really gutted about Davos being dead, is there some theory to the contrary?

edit: just read the wiki. Now I'm a bit dreading the next book to come out as I'm gunna have to spend so much time re-reading the others.
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I'm fairly sure they mocked his execution and he is still alive.
 
:lol: Tyrion meeting Jon for the first time, I forgot how silly it was. "Jumps off the ledge, curls into a ball, spins, lands on his hands then flips on to his feet". I thought he struggled to walk in the books, let alone do spinning flips and shit.
 
Apparently, that was one of GRRM's biggest regrets with Tyrion. [citations needed]
 
akash02 said:
@Revan @Cheesy

My wildcard prediction is no PoV at the wall. We'll see Jon and the wall through Bran.

And George has also said the 13 will become a lot fewer come the end. Curtains for Barristan and Victarion I reckon. Probably Arianne and Cersie as well.
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A possibility, actually. It would feel like a strange place for there to be no POV though, since it's so prominent and important.
 
I ain't a book reader but I have read so much about them and watched many videos regarding the differences between the books and the show. It was just too impossible to wait for an entire year while doing feck all :mad:
 
Reading some of the stuff that's happening in the show and how much they've changed is just hilarious :lol:
 
Ok so IF Snow is really dead what does this mean for the upcoming battle at the wall? Assuming the WW's will try to get past the wall. Most of the watch still sees the wildings as their enemy and reason for the wall. Without the wildings can the NW put up any sort of fight v WWs?

If it is not down to Bran to stop them at the wall will we get to see WW's in Kings Landing as part of the climax of the books?
 
JustAFan said:
Ok so IF Snow is really dead what does this mean for the upcoming battle at the wall? Assuming the WW's will try to get past the wall. Most of the watch still sees the wildings as their enemy and reason for the wall. Without the wildings can the NW put up any sort of fight v WWs?

If it is not down to Bran to stop them at the wall will we get to see WW's in Kings Landing as part of the climax of the books?
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Could do, I've always kind of assumed they'd get past the wall at some point. Even with the wildlings and a decent bit of the north fighting on their side i cant see them holding them really.
Maybe they can hold them at moat cailin or something?
Another big battle on the trident could have a nice symmetry to it.
 
They wouldn't be able to hold the WW at Moat Calin, it's defences are weak from the North. Sort of like the Wall but in reverse.

I always assumed the WW battle would be at the Wall but now that we've already had a battle there I don't imagine we'll get another so it will probably happen somewhere in the North.
 
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