Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Yeah, that's true.
I sure hope Barristan is not dead. Barristan fecking Selmy killed by a bunch rich slavers in 'the immortals'-like masks in 300.
 
they've turned the unsullied from the most feared army in the world to a bunch of emotional teenagers who get killed before they can even swing their spear.
 
Sand snakes scene was badly written and badly acted. Boo to them. They've done a much better job introducing the High Sparrow stuff.

I won't miss Barristan if he's dead to be honest. Except if it means even more Daario.
 
Scrumpet said:
Sand snakes scene was badly written and badly acted. Boo to them. They've done a much better job introducing the High Sparrow stuff.

I won't miss Barristan if he's dead to be honest. Except if it means even more Daario.
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Hopefully the sand snakes were just crap because of the really stilted dialogue they had to introduce themselves.

Daario is annoying but nowhere near as much as he would have been if it was still that Andy Carroll guy.
 
Yeah Dorne was the only thing I was really looking forward to from the books this season but they're already doing a rubbish job with it.
 
The Sand Snakes are looking pretty awful so far. I didn't like them much in the books either, to be fair. Anyone else? I know Arianne was a fan favourite but I didn't really care about her not being cast. Apart from that I did like Dorne, Doran is intriguing and the chilled out isolated nature of it is pretty cool.

The High Sparrow and the Faith Militant definitely have the eerie fanatical backdrop that they require. Kevan has been pretty good too, I think.
 
I agree with all the posts regarding the new episode. The sand snakes were annoying and the whole scene was cringy. I never cared much about them in the books, either though. I hoped they wouldn't play a big role in the show but it doesn't look that way. Doran was always the interesting character in Dorne but it's not surprising that the TV show would want something more flashy, more action.

The fighting scenes at the end were pathetic. The show was never very good at them choreographically (with one exception, basically) but this was just poor writing.

Also, Petyr saying Stannis will probably win makes me think he will indeed be defeated.
 
DWelbz19 said:
The Sand Snakes are looking pretty awful so far. I didn't like them much in the books either, to be fair. Anyone else? I know Arianne was a fan favourite but I didn't really care about her not being cast. Apart from that I did like Dorne, Doran is intriguing and the chilled out isolated nature of it is pretty cool.

The High Sparrow and the Faith Militant definitely have the eerie fanatical backdrop that they require. Kevan has been pretty good too, I think.
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They're probably among the worst characters in the books. They're all kind of badass, with each having their own individual skills. It's like a really cliched action movie premise. By far the worst written characters GRRM has done.

I preferred Arianne though. Very surprised they didn't cast her since I assumed HBO would've had some interesting...scenes for her.
 
I've forgotten literally everything Arianne did again.
 
Solius said:
I've forgotten literally everything Arianne did again.
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Shagged the Kingsguard guy, tried to make Myrcella Queen, caused Kingsguard guy to get his head chopped up, and found out Doran's true plans.
 
Aldo said:
Will the show feature Aegon?
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He doesn't seem to have been cast, but there's a decent theory as to how he will be incorporated into the show if you want to hear it?
 
Aldo said:
Sure.
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The theory is that Trystane Martell is actually Aegon Targaryen in disguise, and that this will be the big reveal from Doran at the end of the season. If he isn't Aegon, he may still end up assuming the role of Aegon. All speculation though.
 
Cheesy said:
The theory is that Trystane Martell is actually Aegon Targaryen in disguise, and that this will be the big reveal from Doran at the end of the season. If he isn't Aegon, he may still end up assuming the role of Aegon. All speculation though.
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That would be very D&D-like. They seem to enjoy merging roles of characters as it lets them add the storylines and not confuse casual viewers with too many characters. I thought that for S5 they'd merge Euron+Victarion with the former winning the Kingsmoot as usual but then taking Vic's role to sail to Daenerys with the dragon horn. Not to be I guess.
 
I'm pretty sure Selmy's dead or will die soon. Petyr mentioning him in his conversation with Sansa, his scene with Danny and her "go sing me a song" or whatever line were pretty telling. I thought he's done as soon a I saw him whistling in the streets. Disappointing end for such a legendary character in the books but he had no further role to play in the TV show.
 
I actually know if he's dead or alive. Didn't want to know but I do know.

Yup, dead.
 
I've seen a few people complaining about the preview for next weeks episode so I guess it spoils something, probably whether Selmy and Grey Worm are alive or dead.

Can't see Grey Worm being dead given the effort they've put into his relationship with Missandei but Selmy's final touching moment with Dany would have me worried....

I'd also fear for Bronn's long term health given a) he's basically out of the books by now anyway and b) something has to go down in Dorne. Bronn v the sand snakes or Hotah might be fun though.....

Random things l like atm: the TV show version of Lancel, the very icky relationship between Sansa and Littlefinger, the bit of a human side to Stannis this week and Pryce as the high sparrow. Tbf to the show the casting has been pretty uniformly excellent throughout.
 
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Tbf to the show the casting has been pretty uniformly excellent throughout.
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Yeah, their overall record is pretty impressive. They did feck up Catelyn and basically all the Baratheons but with so many characters there were bound to be a few bad choices.
 
I could see them killing off Barry to more easily transition Jorah back into an advisor role eventually.
 
What was the point of Mel's scene except of showing her great tits?

Gray Worm was an one man army. The Barristan did some good stuff. Would have preferred the other way around but still was great. Hope that both are alive.

Bronn was too good. The king was too pathetic.
 
Cheesy said:
They're probably among the worst characters in the books. They're all kind of badass, with each having their own individual skills. It's like a really cliched action movie premise. By far the worst written characters GRRM has done.

I preferred Arianne though. Very surprised they didn't cast her since I assumed HBO would've had some interesting...scenes for her.
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Yep. Sand Snakes were bad and anyway, not that important. Arienne was an important character and quite nicely writen.

Game of Thrones has potential to be the next Dexter. The fifth season has been as bad as Dexter's fifth season. On other words, absolute shit.
 
Revan said:
Yep. Sand Snakes were bad and anyway, not that important. Arienne was an important character and quite nicely writen.

Game of Thrones has potential to be the next Dexter. The fifth season has been as bad as Dexter's fifth season. On other words, absolute shit.
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Nah, even though the Sand Snakes have been average, a lot of the other stuff (King's Landing, The Wall) has generally been quite good.
 
Cheesy said:
Nah, even though the Sand Snakes have been average, a lot of the other stuff (King's Landing, The Wall) has generally been quite good.
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I think that only the Kings Landing stuff has been good in this season. And that mostly thanks to Natalie Dormer.

They butchered the election of Lord Commander of the wall. They killed Mayce Radar. They did everything wrong on Dorne. They destroyed Sansa's accent. And now the cherry on the shit was this riot when a few rich kids quite easily defeated the unbeaten Unsullied.

Meh!
 
Revan said:
I think that only the Kings Landing stuff has been good in this season. And that mostly thanks to Natalie Dormer.

They butchered the election of Lord Commander of the wall. They killed Mayce Radar. They did everything wrong on Dorne. They destroyed Sansa's accent. And now the cherry on the shit was this riot when a few rich kids quite easily defeated the unbeaten Unsullied.

Meh!
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It was a bit disappointing in comparison to the books, but I don't really think they butchered it. More just simplified it. Sam still got his big moment of advocating Jon, with the others deciding to back him. I mean, if you haven't read the books, then there's not really anything wrong with it.

And killing Mance wasn't all that big a problem for me - they presumably have their reasons, so he may not have all that big an impact in the books. Apart from the Sand Snakes being as cliched as they are in the books, the rest of Dorne has been okay. And I'm personally really looking forward to the whole Sansa in Winterfell story since it could have a lot of potential.
 
Cheesy said:
It was a bit disappointing in comparison to the books, but I don't really think they butchered it. More just simplified it. Sam still got his big moment of advocating Jon, with the others deciding to back him. I mean, if you haven't read the books, then there's not really anything wrong with it.

And killing Mance wasn't all that big a problem for me - they presumably have their reasons, so he may not have all that big an impact in the books. Apart from the Sand Snakes being as cliched as they are in the books, the rest of Dorne has been okay. And I'm personally really looking forward to the whole Sansa in Winterfell story since it could have a lot of potential.
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I can accept your other points, but not this.

Cutting Arienne from the show rang the bells for me (by the way, didn't understand that part considering that she was supposed to be superhot and super horny, exactly what I would have thought they like to have a character), then the Sand Snakes which have been thw worst characters in the show.

Sansa's story might get interested, I agree.

Anyway, I think that it is time to move things on. While as always the biggest stuff should happen in the last 2-3 episodes, I think that they should give us something. When the most interesting part (from my point of view) in an entire episode was Tyrion annoying Jorah (it was done in an awesome way) then surely something is wrong with the show.
 
The more I think about that fight at the end the more annoyed I get. How the feck do you attack and slaughter a dozen of highly trained professional warriors carrying long spears and shields when you're equipped with a fecking dagger, yourself? Weren't the Unsullied supposed to be one of the most feared army in the world?
 
Real problem is that not all that much happens in this part of the books either. I mean what do they actually have to build to this season? Maybe Jon getting betrayed? The trial in Kings Landing? Sansa escaping Ramsey? It's relatively weak material to work with so I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is a poor season.
 
Scarecrow said:
The more I think about that fight at the end the more annoyed I get. How the feck do you attack and slaughter a dozen of highly trained professional warriors carrying long spears and shields when you're equipped with a fecking dagger, yourself? Weren't the Unsullied supposed to be one of the most feared army in the world?
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Also, after being ambushed it didn't seem to occur to them that they could just go back out the way they came in. I don't think the ambushers did anything to block their path, they just hopped out and stood still for a bit.
 
Scarecrow said:
The more I think about that fight at the end the more annoyed I get. How the feck do you attack and slaughter a dozen of highly trained professional warriors carrying long spears and shields when you're equipped with a fecking dagger, yourself? Weren't the Unsullied supposed to be one of the most feared army in the world?
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I'd think it was more like 8 but you'd still expect them to slaughter 20-30 poorly armed, likely poorly trained fighters.Grey worm was the only one that did anything the rest went down like a sack of shit.

Sansa's story is the only thing that has me excited so far.Granted nothing much has happened yet but you can feel it coming.Also I'm almost certain that Stannis will lose but I don't see the Boltons holding Winterfell for much longer.

Lastly the kings landing scenes are shit without a badass like Tyrion,Tywin or even Ned Stark to root for.All we have now is a bitch fight between Margaery and Cersei and some annoying religious guys.That confrontation between Tommen and the armed faithful was painful to watch.
 
Revan said:
What was the point of Mel's scene except of showing her great tits?

Gray Worm was an one man army. The Barristan did some good stuff. Would have preferred the other way around but still was great. Hope that both are alive.

Bronn was too good. The king was too pathetic.
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Appeal to women? Jon didn't feck her because he still loves a dead person. So romantic. Or something.
 
Jon probably rejected her because he was about to jizz in his pants. At least he got some quality material to bash the candle.
 
Revan said:
Yep. Sand Snakes were bad and anyway, not that important. Arienne was an important character and quite nicely writen.

Game of Thrones has potential to be the next Dexter. The fifth season has been as bad as Dexter's fifth season. On other words, absolute shit.
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That's very harsh. Being a book fan myself I'm enjoying this season. I still think it's been a quality show. Each to their own I guess.

The show runners are in a impossible situation. Following the best book of the series(Series 4 being the best of the tv series too). Then adapting in my opinion the worst of the series Feast for Crows, I can imagine that book being very tough to adapt. Then with no Winds of Winter due anytime soon. Imagine having to plan after series 5 with no material after it. Dave and Dan are stuck between a rock and a hard place, lose lose situation.

Agreed on Dorne, the Sand snakes scene was poor with those dodgy accents. Then the Jaime/Bron fighting looked like it was fighting in the grass of Northern Ireland not some hot desert country. I think the scene in episode 2 in the Water Gardens looked ok but was way too quick. Saying that even by the brief clip but I think Alexander Siddig will be good as Doran. If I had to choose 1 character the show had to get right in Dorne it'd be Doran.
 
The R+L theory has popped up it's head in the TV thread. Glad someone picked up on it. Two whole scenes all but screaming it at the viewers.
 
Rooney1987 said:
That's very harsh. Being a book fan myself I'm enjoying this season. I still think it's been a quality show. Each to their own I guess.

The show runners are in a impossible situation. Following the best book of the series(Series 4 being the best of the tv series too). Then adapting in my opinion the worst of the series Feast for Crows, I can imagine that book being very tough to adapt. Then with no Winds of Winter due anytime soon. Imagine having to plan after series 5 with no material after it. Dave and Dan are stuck between a rock and a hard place, lose lose situation.

Agreed on Dorne, the Sand snakes scene was poor with those dodgy accents. Then the Jaime/Bron fighting looked like it was fighting in the grass of Northern Ireland not some hot desert country. I think the scene in episode 2 in the Water Gardens looked ok but was way too quick. Saying that even by the brief clip but I think Alexander Siddig will be good as Doran. If I had to choose 1 character the show had to get right in Dorne it'd be Doran.
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I thought last season was the weakest before this 1, which i think is fairly mediocre at this point.
The problem is that the amount of development that happens with john or danaery's or whoever is fairly limited at this point
and they haven't bothered introducing any characters for 2 seasons or developing the few characters they have introduced.
They've cut all that 'boring' stuff out for bigger and longer action scenes

Oberyn had a cool fight scene, all his other scenes put together probably didn't last as long though.
Its hard to give a rats ass that hes been killed and watching it with 2 people who haven't read the books they just didn't follow who the hell Doran Martell was supposed to be and couldn't remember his paramour (cant remember name) from the previous season because she had half a dozen lines in total probably.
That entire storyline gets little or no attention and isn't developed enough to hold their attention.

The best and most interesting parts of this book imo opinion were -
the iron isles, dorans plan and the general feck ups that happen with it and what was happening around river run with jaime and lady stoneheart and their somewhat inevitable meeting.
What the tv show is left with is ... a few funny lines from tyrion, possibly some nice fx with the dragons and their new and improved dorne storyline which looks pretty ropy to me.
 
There were some good moments in the episode I thought:

1. The High Sparrow is pretty good. The scenes between him and Cersie have been very good so far though I'm not too sure how Cersie plans to trap Margeary with there being no Kettlebacks in the show.
2. The Stannis scenes have been very good so far and there really should be far more of him than Miss Tits. She's fast becoming a nothing character.
3. I like the way they've gone with Dany's storyline (Much needed pace). A slight concern would be she's coming across as someone who's incompetent than just merely naïve.

On the flip side,

1. The Sand Snakes (and Elaria) were eurgh...it was a bit awkward to sit through such a poorly acted scene. They were clichéd in the books but at least they were background characters and completely under Doran's thumb. I really have no idea why they felt the need to change anything in Dorne. There were about 6 chapters in all and story was very succinct.

2. The Sansa storyline doesn't make much sense so far. I can't think of any reason why Littlefinger would be interested in the North or how he even plans to get it. One to reserve judgment on for now I guess. It better not be because Littlefinger wants revenge for Cat:rolleyes:

3. Varys has become shit on the basis of the this season. Utterly useless. Hope there's some plan for him they have not yet revealed.

4. Why is Mace Tyrell so retarded?


I guess Barristan is a goner. Doesn't really serve much purpose other than giving out shit advise now and then. Not a very important character either way and I reckon he won't last too long in the next book either.
 
akash02 said:
2. The Sansa storyline doesn't make much sense so far. I can't think of any reason why Littlefinger would be interested in the North or how he even plans to get it. One to reserve judgment on for now I guess. It better not be because Littlefinger wants revenge for Cat:rolleyes:
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Well.. he already (sort of) controls the Vale, so trying to get control of the north would be a logical next step, especially since he has the Stark heir with him - Littlefinger's end game seems to be a puppet on the Throne, the north would give him the men for a rebellion. They already hinted at how stubborn the northeners are when it comes to following Starks and how the Boltons are excessively sadistic/cruel, so maybe the plan is to "re-establish" Sansa in the north and then in some way stab the Bolton's in the back.
Or they will somehow make Littlefinger cooperate with Manderly/Stannis.
 
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