Look guys, Poch isn't leaving Spurs to go to United. Stop dreaming about it, it isn't happening.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Pretty sure Chelsea paid over £30m for AVB.
I was thinking about AVB but I'm pretty sure it was about 15 million. And that turned out be a terrible mistake.
How much did Chelsea pay for sarri this summer? Genuine question, he was also signed up to a contract at Napoli
Can we be certain there is no get out clause in Poch's new contract? It would be pretty daft for a man of his ambition to tie himself down to a mid-level club for another 5 years without a release clause. I think we'll find more about it once he decides that he is finally ready to leave Spurs. Usually see agents release that kind of info to the press once their client wants out.
Not sure it’s how Levy does business typically. There’s a clause of sorts in Alderweireld’s contract, but it’s a bit different.
Then Poch is stupid to sign such a long term contract knowing how Levy is a bitch.
For what it's worth, I think there will be something. 5 years is too long a time when all big clubs are looking at you. I mean he would fit in nicely at Bayern, us and Real - three clubs who'll be looking for new managers in the summer.
Around 7 or 8 million.
Mid Level club, whens was the last time you looked at the league table?
I wouldn’t really mind it if we paid £30m for him if that’s what it takes. We need serious investment to address personnel issues within our club and if it starts with the manager then be it.
I often wonder why players (and in this case manager) are willing to commit to long term deals with Levy when they know how difficult it is to leave Spurs.
I see. So you've said that the competition will pass Spurs by, but now say that we won't drop out of the top 4. How does that work exactly? How do 6 clubs (5 rivals - the competition - plus Spurs) fit into 4 league places?
Your comments are all over the shop.
As for the rest, I've already told you that I think Pochettino will be at Spurs next season.
Maybe because they are happy at Spurs? It wasn't much easier for Martial or Pogba to leave United either if reports that they wanted to leave were accurate.
Even after years of contract extensions of key players and the manager himself signing a new contract just 6 months ago, fans of other clubs still don't seem to realise that players are happy at Spurs and don't want to leave. Just like the manager.
It seems hard to grasp that Spurs have a really good thing going on.
Look guys, Poch isn't leaving Spurs to go to United. Stop dreaming about it, it isn't happening.
Everything seems impossible until it gets done mate
Spot on... In the last year, Poch was linked to Chelsea/Real etc, the same with most of our players..
You really have to understand the days were Man Utd and Real clicked their fingers and our players run to them are over, yes your a massive club thats pays stupid money, Sanchez is a prime example, but three failed managers, players not giving a damn, clueless management etc etc ,
Sorry but Man Utd aren't the draw the fans think they are
There’s likely to be a way out, for both sides. 6 years is a long commitment, and it will cost Levy a packet if he wanted to sack him. There will likely be exit clauses.
It doesn't have to be overnight, just a run of form.
Give us Chelsea / Arsenal start and its the same thing.
The talent is there for it. Poch could bring in Toby as a cheap upgrade. Spend big on a midfielder and right winger and we wouldn't be that far off from where we need to be.
He obviously fancies Martial since he wanted Anthony at Spurs so he must have some idea as to how to get the best out of Anthony.
Eirksen is running his contract down, why not reunite at Old Trafford?
Add in the 2/3 stupidly talented youngsters we have that's about to come though and I don't think its a big rebuilding job at all.
Baffling isn't it?
And how come Spurs have become an established top 4 club? Baffling isn't it?
And how can they have done this whilst spending so little? Baffling isn't it?
Well, no, actually it's not baffling. It's just that so many opposition fans are conditioned to think along mechanistic, linear and simplistic lines - e.g. money = success - that they've forgotten the importance of all the things that money can't buy: team spirit, fitness, focus and dedication, faith in young players, squad continuity and stability, and much, much more.
The players at Spurs enjoy fantastic training ground facilities, a really happy camp, with a fantastic new stadium soon to open one of the best managers in Europe, a team on the up.
And you wonder why they like to stay? Now that is baffling.
The longer Levy refuses to back his manager in the transfer market, the more the competition will pull away/gain ground. Spurs won't fall out of the top four anytime soon due to the fact that they have one of the best first 11's in the Premier League, but without considerable squad investment - transfer budget, wage budget, scouting opportunities etc - they will slowly but surely begin to lose ground. That's not a prediction, it's an indisputable fact.
Poch knows this better than anyone and without assurances that his squad development needs will be met, he will undoubtedly consider his options. If you cannot see that then you are blind to logic or simply lying to yourself.
I'm not interested in what you think will happen since you're incapable of thinking beyond that of a simple fan of the club. I merely hoped you would concede to the idea that Poch is indeed considering the move up north.
What's the story with buying out his contract? Is it actually a case of paying off the remaining time on his contract as the media have suggested or would it be more complicated than that?
Fantastic training ground facilities
Long term top players will want success and big money. Spurs won’t be able to offer either so eventually they will be trying to leave.
If he really wants to come to us, he could resign? Or does it not work that way?
Under what situations will a club be able to gain the services of a new manager?
When a football club has lost their previous manager, for any reason, it is extremely important that they gain the services of another manager quickly. Accordingly they will have a wish list of potential managers whose current situation will fall into one of the following three categories:
It is this situation which can cause the most conflict as is often a scenario which comes into play when a club wishes to appoint a highly sought after manager. The small group of real high profile managers will in most instances be employed with a club, so if another club wishes to gain their services they will have to pay the price.
Do clubs have to pay a transfer fee for a manager who moves clubs in this manner?
If a football player under contract were to move in this manner the clubs would pay a transfer fee – the terms of which will be agreed upon by the two clubs. For a manager to move there is no specific transfer fee but the clubs do have to come to an arrangement.
What kind of arrangement?
The club who gains the services of the manager will be required to pay a fee to compensate the club who is losing the manager. The amount of compensation is a matter which will be agreed between the two clubs.
What is this compensation for?
When the manager leaves the club to which he was originally contracted he will be deemed to have terminated his contract early (a breach of the contract) meaning that the club will need to be compensated for this loss.
What happens if the clubs cannot agree an adequate amount of compensation?
If the manager moves between clubs and the clubs cannot agree on an adequate amount of compensation then due to the early termination of the contract the original club will be able to bring the following claims:
https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/managers-moving-clubs/
When a football club has lost their previous manager, for any reason, it is extremely important that they gain the services of another manager quickly. Accordingly they will have a wish list of potential managers whose current situation will fall into one of the following three categories:
- The manager does not have a contract with another football club
- The manager is under contract with another football club
- The manager has just recently been dismissed from his contract at another football club
It is this situation which can cause the most conflict as is often a scenario which comes into play when a club wishes to appoint a highly sought after manager. The small group of real high profile managers will in most instances be employed with a club, so if another club wishes to gain their services they will have to pay the price.
Do clubs have to pay a transfer fee for a manager who moves clubs in this manner?
If a football player under contract were to move in this manner the clubs would pay a transfer fee – the terms of which will be agreed upon by the two clubs. For a manager to move there is no specific transfer fee but the clubs do have to come to an arrangement.
What kind of arrangement?
The club who gains the services of the manager will be required to pay a fee to compensate the club who is losing the manager. The amount of compensation is a matter which will be agreed between the two clubs.
What is this compensation for?
When the manager leaves the club to which he was originally contracted he will be deemed to have terminated his contract early (a breach of the contract) meaning that the club will need to be compensated for this loss.
What happens if the clubs cannot agree an adequate amount of compensation?
If the manager moves between clubs and the clubs cannot agree on an adequate amount of compensation then due to the early termination of the contract the original club will be able to bring the following claims:
- Breach of contract – by the manager
- Inducement to breach the contract – by the club obtaining his services
https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/managers-moving-clubs/
Bit arrogant to call us a 'mid-level' club when we have been considerably better than you for quite a few years now.
My gut feeling is he is right where he belongs. Of course I could be dead wrong.
Those in charge really need to think carefully here. I'll say again, he has no pressure compared to what he would have at United, and I'm not convinced he would cope well in our environment.
At the moment, the press kisses his ass so he doesn't have relentless articles out there analysing everything he's doing. He gets defensive already when asked certain questions that he doesn't like, or which seems like mild criticism. How is he going to cope at United where he's always going to get uncomfortable questions and headlines, especially if he doesn't start well?
When you're under extreme stress it's a completely different ballgame. I'm just not convinced he would cope well. I say we keep our money and look at other options.
If he's really keen, he will have to resign imho, instead of playing both sides of the fence.
Those in charge really need to think carefully here. I'll say again, he has no pressure compared to what he would have at United, and I'm not convinced he would cope well in our environment.
At the moment, the press kisses his ass so he doesn't have relentless articles out there analysing everything he's doing. He gets defensive already when asked certain questions that he doesn't like, or which seems like mild criticism. How is he going to cope at United where he's always going to get uncomfortable questions and headlines, especially if he doesn't start well?
When you're under extreme stress it's a completely different ballgame. I'm just not convinced he would cope well. I say we keep our money and look at other options.
If he's really keen, he will have to resign imho, instead of playing both sides of the fence.
I think it would end up going to a tribunal but I'm not sure it's even possible, and if it were it would make him a very unpopular man
Honestly he's not worth all this trouble. Can't figure out why he's so popular with everyone. Yes he does good work at Spurs, but I stress it's a completely different environment to United. The pressure is immense on everybody.I think it would end up going to a tribunal but I'm not sure it's even possible, and if it were it would make him a very unpopular man
For this kind of compensation, I would expect someone like Guardiola.
Since Poch has been at Tottenham you haven't won a trophy, so obviously somebody must have passed you by, no?
Untied can’t buy out his contract, that’s utter BS, Poch could but it would make him look an utter cnut and could have ramifications as to how long it would be before he worked again.
Yeah he is obviously rubbish then, not sure why anybody could be interested in him.
Well City and Liverpool have passed them for a start.
Its not as if it hasn't begun. We finished above them last year!
That's a bit of an exaggeration and a touch emotive considering my post.
Poch hasn't won anything, nor really competed seriously for a trophy. He's obviously a very good manager and it's obvious why spurs fans such as yourself are happy with him, but it's still a fact worth considering when there are talks of him joining a club with United's expectations.
I agree, you should be looking elsewhere. It is clear that only an experienced manager who has won lots of trophies can succeed at Utd.
Again, not what I said and an emotional response.
We won't know how Poch will do unless he joins United, but if I were him I'd be considering waiting for a more stable club for his first top job is all.
He can't just resign unless Spurs allow him to. He has a contract. Spurs will almost certainly not accept his resignation if they think it's because he is going elsewhere.
I'm taking the piss. It's just a strange argument to have given that the managers who have been in post most recently have all won many leagues and cups and they failed miserably - why then do you use this as a guide of readiness for the Utd job? Makes no sense at all.
So Spurs are one of the clubs who are ahead of us in global pecking order?
Wow just wow, think it's better I don't read this thread in the foreseeable future.
Wow just wow, think it's better I don't read this thread in the foreseeable future.
Oh ok. Didn't know that detail.
Seemed more like you was getting defensive than taking the piss but fair enough.
It isn't an argument, I was just stating a fact that Pochettino isn't used to the expectations of a club like United and as such there is no guarantee that he would be able to cope.
I wasn't using that as a guide of readiness, as you say. Mourinho and Van Gaal have won loads of trophies between them but failed, and I wouldn't expect another experienced manager would easily turn it around at United either.
My original point (and my only point) was that teams have passed Tottenham by, as you haven't competed for anything and we've had a different team win the league in each of Pochettinos years at Tottenham if I'm not mistaken.
Something that has not yet happened, but which you personally predict to happen, is not a fact, far less an "indisputable fact".
You seem not to even know what the word "fact" means.