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A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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What debate? Will someone please explain or post some link?
I am not massively convinced that Pochettino would win us the title. In that sense, for me, there's no huge attraction. Obviously, if he comes I hope he proves me wrong over and over.
I do find it interesting that people think Woodward just has to click his fingers and this is done though. Levy refused to talk to Madrid about Pochettino last summer, why would he speak to us when Pochettino still has years left on his deal?
People talking about £34m? That's only if Levy wants to talk and he ain't really wanted to talk to us since Berbatov.
I do find it interesting that people think Woodward just has to click his fingers and this is done though. Levy refused to talk to Madrid about Pochettino last summer, why would he speak to us when Pochettino still has years left on his deal?
People talking about £34m? That's only if Levy wants to talk and he ain't really wanted to talk to us since Berbatov.
Levy has no say in it. If Poch wants to leave there is nothing Levy can do but work with Woodward on a compensation.
Thought his opening of his pockets and saying we have no money was telling. He knows he can’t take Spurs any higher with the budget constraints after the new stadium fiasco. Whoever comes in will need money to spend as this squad is clearly not good enough. He’s never had that luxury at Southampton or Spurs. Whilst his ability to develop young players is superb, if we want to be challenging for the title any time soon then we are going to have to spend big time imo. I’d like him here but fear Real Madrid may gazump us.
Same,it could take years before we win the league again and we could be looking for another manager in another few years if he doesnt work out either.
Well Pochettino wanted to go to Madrid but he wasn't willing to burn his bridges at Spurs to do it. Why does everyone think he will behave differently for us?
Because Zidane left like almost instantly giving Perez no time to properly find a replacement. It was the WC year as well.
We will be laying out groundwork for half a year and we will know about what's gonna happen even before the summer starts.
Exactly. If he says I want out it’s difficult to stop. Just down to money, which Real didn’t seem to want to pay. Think we will if The Board decide he’s their man.
So he wanted to go to Madrid now? What makes you say that?
That’s relative. By Spurs standards, we’ve had an excellent few years, which include winning the Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup. And finishing above Spurs last season. All while Poch has been hailed a genius.
I’m always quick to refer to media propaganda, and the reality is that even post-Fergie, Spurs haven’t achieved much more than United.
Hope I'm not jumping the gun here, but if he was to come to Man Utd how would his tactics fit with our current players?
He has clearly had some luck with Spurs as all managers need if they are to do well in a club, but he has probably taken them as far as he can now? I am just wondering if our best players like Martial, Pogba etc. have the necessary qualities to fit his tactics of pressing etc. We have a few aggressive players but if our best assets aren't something he could use, we might as well go a different road?
He has clearly had some luck with Spurs as all managers need if they are to do well in a club, but he has probably taken them as far as he can now? I am just wondering if our best players like Martial, Pogba etc. have the necessary qualities to fit his tactics of pressing etc. We have a few aggressive players but if our best assets aren't something he could use, we might as well go a different road?
I haven't seen much of the competition passing us by. On the contrary, much of the competition (some of our rivals) have generally fallen behind Spurs.
Yours is the same failed narrative that's been peddled every summer for the past several years: the big spenders will blow Spurs away, our best players will leave, Spurs will drop out of the top 4 etc. etc. etc. Except it hasn't happened. So here you go again with the same old, same old, rinse and repeat.
Poch continues to develop things at Spurs and sees other clubs changing their managers (United have dumped 3 already, with the 4th due for the chop this summer). So if he is "twiddling his thumbs", then it's not whilst Rome burns, but whilst other clubs burn.
Guess we'll see.
It's not important enough a point for me to argue with you. If you don't believe he asked Levy to let him talk to Madrid that's your call.
Pochettino prefers physical strikers that hold up the play. Kane can do that since he's got a very good physical side to his game, but Lukaku is horrible when it comes to using his body, neither Martial or Rashford fit the style of striker he wants.
Pochettino wants to play out from the back as much as possible. Only Lindelof can do that in this team.
Midfield we are fine, we've got more than enough there for him to work with. We are probably better in midfield due to the state of Dembele and Wanyama.
If Madrid didn't win the CL Final Zidane might well have been sacked anyway. Poch renewed his contract before that final - I'm sure if he wanted Madrid right then he would have waited for the outcome of the game.
Why are acting like it's as black and white as that? Us being Manchester United and you being Tottenham actually matters, you can't underestimate the allure of joining a top 3 club on the planet. Not to mention the fact that we simply have much more potential as a club and Poch will essentially be able to carry out his vision a lot faster here due to the larger resources available to him.The fact that he signed a contract on the guarantee of being given funds before becoming the first PL club to go a whole summer without signing a player will also be a factor, and for all your talk of development at Spurs you seem to have been stuck in the same position for the last few years which will more likely than not carry on this season: finishing in the top 4 without challenging for the title or doing anything significant in Europe. He's pretty much taken you as far as he can at this point, and it sounds like he knows it with the way he's allowing these rumours to continue.
Correct. He would come to United because we can offer a bigger platform for development than Spurs. Simple as that.
If Pochettino wants to be the best then he is surely sick of having so many dickriders applauding his top 4 finishes and no trophies. Sure, coming to United is a challenge but the fact is he would want to relish that challenge and with that he has to go up a level and actually take us further than he has done with Spurs because we wouldn't accept zero trophies from him.
I see. If it were to happen, then I guess at least he would know our players from watching them many years in this league so we wouldn't have that awkward phase of testing out every player. I guess he already could take an educated guess and blindly fix like 3 positions in January lowkey. I mean it is so long overdue in quite a few positions that everybody pretty much agrees what needs to happen.
You think that has ever happened before? What about City, did they actually prepare like that for Pep, doesn't sound legal does it though? I mean for a manager of a certain club, to unofficially give a transfer-list to his possibly next club so they can prepare for him?
Poch didn't . If he wanted Real job, he would have got it now
No, no no, that doesn't work. If someone says 'what makes you say that?' replying 'well if you don't believe me then I don't care' is not a legitimate response. What you should be doing is linking to a source that even hints at Poch asking Levy to leave. Or did you just hear it from someone? It's also the crux of your argument, therefore the most important point for you to argue.
Nobody should be paying a 30m fee for a manager. It's utterly stupid.
Would you have said the Silva's at City have the necessary qualities for pressing?
It's one of them stupid things but it is something we need to get used to in modern football sadly.
No. But that is the upside though isn't it?
I'm warming up to the idea. He's done amazing work at Spurs, would be interesting to see what he could do with a big budget. He ticks every box apart from being a winner but that could soon change with big budget.
What has always concerned me about him is that he sometimes has faith in incompetent players. Don't know why he still plays the likes of Dier for example.
What has always concerned me about him is that he sometimes has faith in incompetent players. Don't know why he still plays the likes of Dier for example.
Yup, a coach like him would show us what's what in our squad.
No it isn't. No club has paid 30m ever for a manager, most clubs have never paid a fee for a manager. Managers aren't assets unlike players. If a manager fails you're never getting a single penny of that fee back, while you can sell a player and regain some of that value.
For Poch to leave all he has to do is be willing to burn his bridges at Spurs. That's not even by being unprofessional. If he publicly expresses his wish to leave what can spurs do? Drop him down to the reserves? Who's managing the first team then? How will the players react knowing the club are hanging onto a coach who has no interest in coaching them? Watford tried it with Marco Silva and it went massively tits up.
The best video explanation to your queries that I have seen.
I do disagree with some few points. I doubt that he would use Fellaini often on the left of a a midfield double pivot as Fellaini doesn’t have the footballing abilities of that of Wanyama or Dier. He may have the stopping ability, combativeness and aerial strength, but I can see Pochettino looking to invest in this area for someone who has the stopping ability and is great with the ball. Ndombele is a name that comes to mind. Maybe Fred as well and I believe that he can play a role similar to winks at Spurs, while Pogba takes up more of a Dembele role when we need a midfielder that can carrier the ball forward. I agree with their assessment on Lukaku and the importance of acquiring fullbacks.
Exactly. These talks of 40m is bullshit. If Poch wants to leave , we can agree a fair compensation with Spurs( not like 40m)
The fact that he signed a contract on the guarantee of being given funds before becoming the first PL club to go a whole summer without signing a player will also be a factor, and for all your talk of development at Spurs you seem to have been stuck in the same position for the last few years which will more likely than not carry on this season: finishing in the top 4 without challenging for the title or doing anything significant in Europe. He's pretty much taken you as far as he can at this point, and it sounds like he knows it with the way he's allowing these rumours to continue.
A top 3 global club simply does not finish outside the top 4 in their own domestic league for what will be - after this season - four times in just six years.
You confuse having lots of money with being on a par with the likes of Real Madrid and Barca - you're not. There are a fair few clubs now ahead of you in the global pecking order. United fans obviously don't like this, and some, like you, continue to be in denial about it. But throwing money around at the likes of Pogba (to name just one example) has not changed the new reality, not least because the number of social media followers does not translate to excellence on the pitch.
Even if were true that Poch would "be able to carry out his vision a lot faster here due to the larger resources available to him", the fact is that he'd have to start several steps back compared to where he is with Spurs, because at Spurs the vision is more developed and advanced. It's not obvious that being able to move forward faster in a 100m race is better when you have to begin from 50m behind the start line.
You've no idea on what grounds Poch signed his new contract. Nor is it the case that he was given no money in the summer. You confuse this with not being able to get the player(s) wanted and/or with not being willing to pay the price quoted.
Finally, Poch many times has said that he does not need to address rumours, whether regarding RM or other clubs, because rumours are always there and once you start addressing them in any detail then you never can stop. But if you wish to read something else into his "allowing these rumours to continue" then good luck to you.
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I understand it's one of those things that shouldn't be happening and I'm not happy about it either. Maybe he doesn't want to lower his opinion in the Spurs fans eyes but publicly stating he wants to go.
What's the criteria if I may ask? Money? Fanbase? Trophies? If any of those, Spurs would be considered a tiny club, no? You are a tier 2 club in England and a tier 3 club in Europe. Poch is ready to take the next step to a big club next summer.
Rather than address the point of the post, you run off on a nonsensical tirade about big spenders, your best players leaving and dropping out of the top four, none of which is even remotely relevant to the post you were replying to. For the record, I don't believe even for a second that Spurs will drop out of the top four, with or without Poch, and don't believe they will lose all of their best players either - Eriksen is an obvious question mark though.
So I ask again.
Given the circumstances, of which were explained in a previous post, is it so hard for you to believe that Poch will deeply consider taking over the rebuild job at United?
Thank you kind sir. Good video.
By moving to a domestic rival he's going to be burning his bridges anyway. If he moved abroad to say Madrid or Bayern, he would've retained good will. Not by moving across in the PL.
Can’t wait to see what Glaston is saying in the summer if this happens.
I cann understand what you're saying by coming to us her going to burn the bridges anyway. So if he going the supporters are not going to like him anymore. So if he does want to come he's going to have to decife whether he wants to stay good in their eyes or come come to us and feck them off.
You said: "Do you really expect a manager in Poch's positon to sit around twiddling his thumbs while the competition passes him by?"
Now you say: "I don't believe even for a second that Spurs will drop out of the top four"
To answer your question, whether or not Poch will consider it is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether he'll prefer to stay at Spurs for next season. I think he will.
You said: "Do you really expect a manager in Poch's positon to sit around twiddling his thumbs while the competition passes him by?"
Now you say: "I don't believe even for a second that Spurs will drop out of the top four"
To answer your question, whether or not Poch will consider it is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether he'll prefer to stay at Spurs for next season. I think he will.
That was more of a reference to Poch being unable to take Spurs any further due to not being sufficiently backed in the transfer market. They won't drop out of the top four this season or the one thereafter, but they won't make any progress either. I don't believe Poch will be prepared to wait around until Levy decides its time to back him again, not when he has viable options outside the club.
So you refuse to concede that Poch might consider the move?
I agree, 200 million wouldn't even be enough.