Why?Sorry Alex, absolute rubbish. If it was that easy, the likes of Everton and Wolves would have done it once, nevermind every singles season!
It’s the most underrated job in PL history I think. To measure it just by position and say “well he had Kane”, is ridiculous.
Why not? Did he leave on bad terms? I can't remember to be fairWill Dortmund take him back though? Doubt it
Really bad terms, just as how PSG decided to sack him now.Why not? Did he leave on bad terms? I can't remember to be fair
Ah fair enough. PSG I can understand leaving on bad terms with because the club is a circus, but if he left on bad terms with Dortmund too I wonder if he's a difficult character.Really bad terms, just as how PSG decided to sack him now.
Sounds like destined to end up at Chelsea.
Why?
He also had the likes of Son, Eriksen, Alderweirel et al. He had very, very good players and won feck all, improved their league position by one? place on average and played some absolutely awful football.
Imo, he's the most overrated manager in the PL in the last 5 years.
Your problem is you are judging Poch just based on the players he had, without looking at the wider competitive context. Poch brought Spurs consistently into the top 4 at a time when five other clubs were fighting a massive arms race to get to the top. Yes there was an anomaly in 2015 16, but his Spurs side was very inexperienced at that time. After that he was fighting against Guardiola's City, Mourunho's United, Conte's Chelsea, and Klopp's Liverpool. The fact that he made top four for three consecutive seasons with barely any investment compared to the money others were spending is an astounding achievement. I'll never understand people who say Poch's work at Spurs is overrated.Why?
He also had the likes of Son, Eriksen, Alderweirel et al. He had very, very good players and won feck all, improved their league position by one? place on average and played some absolutely awful football.
Imo, he's the most overrated manager in the PL in the last 5 years.
His record against those teams were crap. Which big team has he ever beaten consistantly?In terms of his wages compared to those he was competing against, and beating, consistently...
2016 yes 2017 no. I could never imagine those players getting 94 points. thats basically what these crazy City and Liverpool teams have been doing recently and Spurs was never that.He clearly did a good job at Spurs but he absolutely had a team good enough to win the league in 15/16 and 16/17. That he didn't do so doesn't make him an abject failure or anything, but it does mean he's not perfect or even certain to deliver silverware for United in a league I feel is more competitive and at a time where our ability to add talent in the transfer market is more limited.
I also wonder about how much of Spurs decline was down to not replacing core pieces in the side who were sold or declined, and how much was down to teams adapting to and familiarizing themselves with their established play style under Poch. It certainly felt his last 1.5 seasons on the job that they had dropped a level which the CL run helped mask.
Good luck to him at PSG but I've not ever been convinced he was a no-brainer choice for United, just a good option we should consider if/when we decide Ole can't take us any further, a point I personally don't think we've reached yet.
Sorry Alex, absolute rubbish. If it was that easy, the likes of Everton and Wolves would have done it once, nevermind every singles season!
It’s the most underrated job in PL history I think. To measure it just by position and say “well he had Kane”, is ridiculous.
The argument is as bad as "He went to CL final with Spurs, so imagine what he can do at United"Can't think of a worse argument in football than he hasn't won any trophies
2016 yes 2017 no. I could never imagine those players getting 94 points. thats basically what these crazy City and Liverpool teams have been doing recently and Spurs was never that.
The argument is as bad as "He went to CL final with Spurs, so imagine what he can do at United"
Its funny because Eriksen and Dele ain't doing shit now, when people were talking about them as world beaters and potential Real Madrid signings.Spurs were and probably are still missing that one key player to get them over the hill.
Not sure Bale is the guy as thus far he hasn't played much in the league, but Spurs under Poch didnt have that additional thrust to get them over the line first. Kane, Son, Dele, Eriksen at their top weren't good enough then. Spurs are even more reliant on Kane and Son now. Moura or Bergjwin would have to elevate to another level or two and sustain it for 5 months...very questionable to happen.
Their best chance was when Leicester won the league but they were just top of the chasing pack and were always on the perephrials instead of actually going blow for blow.
Its funny because Eriksen and Dele ain't doing shit now, when people were talking about them as world beaters and potential Real Madrid signings.
If Dortmund and Pochettino would have wanted that then he would be now their coach.Why, as a matter of interest? Do you think he has his eyes on the PL?
2016 yes 2017 no. I could never imagine those players getting 94 points. thats basically what these crazy City and Liverpool teams have been doing recently and Spurs was never that.
That is simply not true and I’m not sure how I’m seeing it so much, plenty of teams have hired managers while Poch has been out of a job and if he’s so sought after and garunteed winner then any club who wanted to win anything would have sacked their manager and immediately hired Poch anyway if he was available. That clearly hasn’t happenedIt wasnt a lot of resources. Grealish was only worth 25 million at the time. Spurs didnt wanna pay that much.
Poch is not low key clearly. If not Paris then Madrid would have hired him.
He is the cream of the crop. The hottest commodity on the market as far as coaches. The first one any big team would be looking at except I guess Barcelona but thats another story.
He also has to accept the jobThat is simply not true and I’m not sure how I’m seeing it so much, plenty of teams have hired managers while Poch has been out of a job and if he’s so sought after and garunteed winner then any club who wanted to win anything would have sacked their manager and immediately hired Poch anyway if he was available. That clearly hasn’t happened
I hadn’t seen that he’d turned any downHe also has to accept the job
How does it feel to be a fly on the wall in all these interviews?I hadn’t seen that he’d turned any down
Allegri has won a lot of silverware, would anyone take him over Poch?
Using trophy haul as the only metric to judge a manager is daft.
Spurs had their highest point total in the PL era and played their first CL final under Poch.
Southampton had their highest point tally since the PL began under him.
Those are very impressive feats, achieved with a limited budget and well above expectations. Much more impressive than winning a couple of trophies with juggernauts like City, Barca or Real.
I'm not advocating sacking our current manager and appointing Poch but lets not paint him as an inept sub-par manager who choked.
Yeah ok, he’s obviously had numerous interviews and clubs offering to sack their manager for him but he’s turned them all down, so in demand.How does it feel to be a fly on the wall in all these interviews?
Pardon? City had Kompany, Sane, Sterling, Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, Gundogan etc They are not even comparable. When City won the league many of these players were still featuring regularly.They had the strongest XI in the league in 16/17 by quite a margin imo. They had the best goal difference and were top in goals scored and against. Chelsea had an advantage as they didn't have European football that year, but certainly Spurs absolutely could have won that with City, Liverpool, Arsenal and United well off their level.
Pardon? City had Kompany, Sane, Sterling, Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, Gundogan etc They are not even comparable. When City won the league many of these players were still featuring regularly.
Spurs had Harry Winks Wanyama Dembele, Dier, Alli and Eriksen. Not a single midfieder would break into City's midfielder and you could argue maybe one CB and one fb. attacking wise no one as Kane ain't replacing Aguero.
To say Spurs had the best 11 by a margin is one of the most stranger things I have heard recently. Chelsea had arguably the best player in the league in Hazard, Diego Costa and the best CM in Kante. The only players from Spurs who would definitely get games at Chelsea would be Kane, Walker and maybe one of the CB's.
They were never a team capable of netting 94 points. This is the first time I have ever heard someone say this. The only player they had who was a rival as the best in his position was Kane.
This.Your problem is you are judging Poch just based on the players he had, without looking at the wider competitive context. Poch brought Spurs consistently into the top 4 at a time when five other clubs were fighting a massive arms race to get to the top. Yes there was an anomaly in 2015 16, but his Spurs side was very inexperienced at that time. After that he was fighting against Guardiola's City, Mourunho's United, Conte's Chelsea, and Klopp's Liverpool. The fact that he made top four for three consecutive seasons with barely any investment compared to the money others were spending is an astounding achievement. I'll never understand people who say Poch's work at Spurs is overrated.
Without Neymar and Mbappe, PSG isn't even top 4 level in the PL. It is going to be a really tough job.Possibly taking over PSG at the worst time in their recent history.
Neymar looking to leave and join Barcelona in the summer.
Mbappe looking to move to Madrid in the summer.
Who are they going to replace those two with? The PSG project has failed, everyone knows the league is a joke and the club tie good players down to massive contracts so they can’t leave after bottling the CL year after year.
He’ll get sacked from this job within 2 years
Possibly taking over PSG at the worst time in their recent history.
Neymar looking to leave and join Barcelona in the summer.
Mbappe looking to move to Madrid in the summer.
Who are they going to replace those two with? The PSG project has failed, everyone knows the league is a joke and the club tie good players down to massive contracts so they can’t leave after bottling the CL year after year.
He’ll get sacked from this job within 2 years
Can't think of a worse argument in football than he hasn't won any trophies . I am sure no one is lining up to give Arteta a job now because he won the FA cup. Trophies are nice & good but decisions about managers must be made based on overall performances rather than just winning a random cup competition
We may but after consecutive conservative/counter attacking managers in Jose and Ole, if we move on, I want it to be to an attacking manager. I never wanted to particularly watch Tottenham games under Poch like for example I want to watch Leeds or RBL or Pep teams.Hope I’m wrong, but I think we’re gonna come to regret not moving on Poch.
