That was my general feeling too but didn't want to get too,shall we say, optimistic.
Optimism is abit dearth round these parts for good reason too.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Optimism is abit dearth round these parts for good reason too.
This. I think he's a much better version of Ole. All the ideas Ole talks about but can't quite implement due to inferior training methods and tactics, Poch has demonstrated he can do these things.
Also, like Ole he likes to give youth a chance. The only reason he downhill at Spurs was because the squad wasn't replenished. I'm certain they would have won the 2017 season if they didn't go Wembley and spent some extra cash instead of the stadium. In the end, he was stuck with players he didn't want which led to a chain of events that got him fired.
I'm still waiting for you to explain 400m net
Honestly, I would be more excited if the rumour was Monchi to Man Utd than Poch or anyone else. It feels like if United succeed it will be a case of getting around the structure not being helped by it.
What? Why would he pick City over United?
Are there any of the top journos reporting this? I’ve seen Duncan Castles and this guy, but none of the top guys going for it?
Ed jizzing right now...
This is sarcasm, I hope. Sadly we have allowed City to jump leaps & bounds past us. Even in an off year they already have more points then we will have by the end of the season
No white text? You joker
Remarkable that he turned Spurs into a consistent top 4 club and got to a CL final on virtualy the same budget as Utd pay De Gea per year!
I can only imagine what he could achieve with a budget normally afforded to Man Utd manager.
So why would be pick City? Cause they have more points than United? Makes no sense
No white text? You joker
Elaborate
Been thinking the same. But I think Poch would still prefer Utd as Pep would be a very hard act to follow, whereas following on from Ole ...
Well if you are serious then City with a fantastic squad, great youth teams, owners who put the football first, against all that is at Utd at the moment. Who would any sane manager pick to manage at this moment and hasnt any affiliation with either club, pick ?
No brainer for United. There's even a part of me even though happy with Lampard that thinks it would be an opportunity lost. Though in any case i'm certain if both jobs were on offer he would end up at Old Trafford anyway.
It isn't a case of choosing between Ole and Pochettino for a vacant position though, Ole is in the role, so you need a valid reason to sack him, and for the reasons I stated earlier (quoted below) he deserves more time.
do you work at Carrington or something? How would you possibly know if the training (taken by Carrick and McKenna) is inferior. Rashford, Fred, Matic and Mata have all improved under him and his tactics are fine (as proven by the results against the top 6). The problem has been a lack of invention in midfield without Pogba, which he is trying to rectify with Fernandes and by targetting Maddision and Grealish. The only thing I can criticise him for is not giving Gomes a proper go as a 10.
And then Poch gets the City job. And wins trophies. And then Caf will retort that he only wins trophies because City are loaded with cash. And then it reverts back to the argument that Poch wouldn't win any trophies even with a bigger budget because of his mentality. And then it converts to any manager could win trophies at City. A vicious cycle.
Some of our fans need to stop with the defeatist attitude. We are one of the absolute pinnacles of football for any manager with a very tempting project.
Maybe he knows United is a greater club than City and wants to help us get back to winning ways? We have a better fan base and larger stadium for one.
He’ll earn similar money and gain more fame with a huge transfer budget and similarly great youth system. It’s not like we are the underdogs in English football, we’ve had a few bad years but so does every club now and again.
Saw somewhere that he doesn't play with a right winger but wasn't that only at Tottenham
If the manager is a football fan then he'll choose United rather than cheating at Football Manager in front a half empty stadium.
Great youth squads that have produced only Foden? Compared to United? Not sure I follow.
Sure City have a great squad and lots of money but nothing else. No history, a small fan base and the lack of big club appeal which they strive for and is evident with no European success.
Any true footballing person can see that and whilst City might be the easy option right now given their current circumstances that's not what appeals to everyone. Klopp went to Liverpool at a time they hadn't won a title in over 30 years with a huge rebuild to put together.
The lack of backing our amazing club gets on this forum by so called United fans is astonishing. You should all be pretty embarrassed.
You as a Chelsea fan have more faith in United than our own so called fans.
I said ages ago Poch will come to United in the summer come what may. Think he has wanted the job a while tbh.
His record against big teams is also quite shit.
If we hire him I feel his ceiling with us is the same as with Spurs. Top 4, no silverware but "put the pressure on".
The CL final display by spurs was still a shocking show, also a major red flag.
If we hire him I feel his ceiling with us is the same as with Spurs. Top 4, no silverware but "put the pressure on".
The CL final display by spurs was still a shocking show, also a major red flag.
Maybe it's a stupid esitimate. im just thinking if it took Real Madrid 300 mil netspend in one window to get on level with Barcalona, we would probably need to around 400 mil to able to go toe to toe with the biggest boys.
Ole has won trophies, poch has not.
His record is shit?
Beat Barcelona, City, 3-0 at Old Trafford.
Put the pressure on 1st is better than 8th, there are different budgets and expectations at Manutd.
I think regular CL qualifications are good enough initially as that allows us to return to financial growth and puts us in contention for the world's best players again. Look at Chelsea, they are in a position where if they get a good striker and a top CB they can easily challenge unless if Liverpool remain in beast mode. He will have to improve but he is a young coach who has a solid track record and therefore stands a better chance to make the required improvement than our current manager. If he can't improve his skill set and results then we move on to someone better as opportunities arise.
Overall, his record against the top 6 is still quite poor despite the above results.
Plus he has a history of questionable signings when we really need a period of clever investment.
Then we're just in the same cycle. Fans calling for another managers head. Squads put together with conflicting visions.
We need a period of stability.
Looking at our squad and injuries this season, we're lucky to be where we are. We've had some shocking results go against us. But a win against chelsea has us right in contention for top 4 again.
Cant remember the last time we had our strongest XI available to us.
Would Poch do better with our current squad? Or would he throw his toys out the pram as he did this season at Spurs?
Plus its kind of hard to keep a squad happy on a rigid wage structure that pays them well below their actual worth. Its funny that over the years posters on here have always argued, in debates against Glastonspur, that Spurs will have a hard time keeping hold of their stars on their current contracts when they could be paid more elsewhere but somehow fail to take that into account when assessing Spurs' meltdown.
Like you said, he knows how to coach the playing style Ole claims to want and need billions to implement. He has done that twice in his career and there is no doubt that we have a young squad suited to those methods and funds to add to it, the opportunity is there to set right the missteps of the past several seasons and we'd be fools to let it pass. If we have him in charge it suddenly becomes possible to attract the best young players in the league and in the world whilst he has a record of coaxing huge improvements from young players.
A history of questionable signings? what manager doesnt? Not all signings work out.
Some of his signings have been brilliant in Son, Davinson, Moura, Ndombole, Alderweireld and some not so good ones like Jansen, Nkolou.
Stability doesn't entail falling, we aren't stable at all. If we fail to qualify for the CL this season it will be huge blow, fail again and we might not rise for another decade. You should always remember that we are always fighting for one or two spots in the top 4 as Liverpool and City have the first two locked. We aren't in a position to experiment with Ole because if the experiment fails we'd be in serious trouble with regard to our ability to spend our way out of trouble.
I think despite the fact that Ole has won the Norwegian league twice, anybody but Ole in fans rate Poch much much higher.
Only Son in that list could be considered brilliant. Sanchez is just a slightly better Bailly, Lucas goes missing most of the time, jury is still out for Ndombele but not looking great, Alderweireld was pretty good for the money.
Look at the money he had to spend, £36m is most he has spent.
Ndombole is a very good player, once he settles in the PL we will see the best of him.
I'm talking about pocc the man. So he has a choice of coming to Utd and with using how the last 3 managers were treated by the board as a template given 2/3 years max to turn us into a regular top 4 finish or get the sack, or go to City and go for the league and champions league. This remember is a manager who has won nothing yet and is desperate to win something. What option do you think he is going to take? This is not bashing utd per se,, this is talking about an individual's choice
I really don’t know how anyone could be against this when he’s the best manager available. He’s also quite clearly one of the best COACHES around, and we are very poorly coached as a team. He’s also young, knows the league well and also will help us attract better players. The best players want to play under the best coaches.
Even if he doesn’t win anything here, at least we will be better coached.
Even if he doesn’t win anything here, at least we will be better coached.