We shouldn't knock our darling Pochettino I guess.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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I agree with everything you've said. But there is a significant portion on here that are convinced he's a special manager. They slag off managers like Conte, Klopp, Mourinho while creaming over Pochettino. These same people also talk about how 'Spurs remind me of United under SAF' and other such romanticism which compels me to do what I've done in this thread.
Don't people realize it ? All these excuses being made for him cpgetting crushed out,, these excuses won't be present if he manages an elite club and got knocked out similar way. That's the difference of managing Spurs and managing a real!big club.
He can currently lose and get knocked out and excuses are ready : " they don't have enough financial support" , " they played better football ", " they lack experience". Move to a big club and lose in similar fashion and you'll get slaughtered with zero excuses. People using lack of financial support as an excuse will need to realize that if he gets more at another elite club, the expectations and ambitions will also go higher and he'll have to deliver. He won't stay all his managerial career life getting excused for not winning anything.
Whatether he can make the jump from " the darling that only gets praise and excuses because he's not at a big club" to " the manager who is always asked to win trophies and gets slaughtered for even a draw in the league at a big club" is yet to be seen and till he proves he can make this jump, he will always have question marks flying around him.
He can currently lose and get knocked out and excuses are ready : " they don't have enough financial support" , " they played better football ", " they lack experience". Move to a big club and lose in similar fashion and you'll get slaughtered with zero excuses. People using lack of financial support as an excuse will need to realize that if he gets more at another elite club, the expectations and ambitions will also go higher and he'll have to deliver. He won't stay all his managerial career life getting excused for not winning anything.
Whatether he can make the jump from " the darling that only gets praise and excuses because he's not at a big club" to " the manager who is always asked to win trophies and gets slaughtered for even a draw in the league at a big club" is yet to be seen and till he proves he can make this jump, he will always have question marks flying around him.
Poche-who?
I meant knocking him in comparison to Mourinho.
If you looked my previous post, I criticised him and did again in the post you quoted.
Too late with subbing.
That's why you are on a forum and Allegri is one of the best managers in the world.
That is actually a good comparison. And Spurs are like Arsenal between 2006 - 2010. Play pretty, win some games, not get humiliated often (unlike Arsenal of last few years) and win naught (unlike Arsenal of last few years). No one should take them seriously until they win a trophy.
This.
He has lost this tie and should have reacted to turnaround in the game. But no, he has done his job supposedly cause they were the better team.
In 5 years nobody will remember Spurs were better. Hell, they won't remember it in 2 years.
He gets all the excuses but our own manager is being bashed left, right and center by United supporters for every silly thing.
Spurs were the better side over 2 legs and threw that away.
That should matter, not the net spend.
If this were Utd over the last 3 years we would be ripping our hair out. But their 2nd place is celebrated while theres calls for Joses head.
That should matter, not the net spend.
If this were Utd over the last 3 years we would be ripping our hair out. But their 2nd place is celebrated while theres calls for Joses head.
I get it. It wasn't meant for you. Sorry.
Right now though Mourinho is still the better manager. Only thing Poch is winning right now is nice football.
It's 2007 Wenger basically.
Prophetic Glaston there
What a strange response.
Yes, I am on a forum and Poch outplayed "one of the best managers in the world", who's gone through lucky.
And me being on a forum or not doesn't change that.
Because we have a much bigger budget. Which means much higher expectations.
How was that lucky exactly?
Who will remember in the future that Poch outplayed Allegri?
Yes yes, Spurs were the 'better side' just like countless other teams that were the 'better side' against Juventus only for the old lady to have the last laugh.
Did you not see the reactions the players had every time the goalkeeper made a save, the defenders made a tackle? This is what they play the game for, they make every team think they are the 'better side' and then smash them.
Is just not cunning enough and suits a team like Spurs perfectly.
It's easy to understand.
Their opponents are lucky when they win against them and they play far more attacking and adventurous football compared to our boring park the bus shit despite having scored one goal less in the league than us.
Except for the fact that Juve isn't a possession based team. Playing a defensive and solid is their bread and butter. It's not the first time we saw an Italian team I guess. There are more ways of playing football than possession of the ball
BTW strange they outplayed Juve according to you and still didn't manage to defeat them in any of the two ties.
I was just about to say this. He's the younger version of Wenger. Plays nice football but tactically naive.
No one will remember, that is football, you outplaying someone doesn't always mean you winning the game.
If we got knocked out then it's our problem. It's not silly to call the spade a spade on other matter.
It's not like when we win they start giving us praise. As far as I recall, there were plenty of negativity even when we won.
It's not luck, it's margins. Spurs being marginally not good enough. Luck would be when the ref don't blow a clear pen (or offside to that last marginally not good enough header). So that makes Spurs the lucky ones, despite losing.
Exactly.
So according to you he has done his job.
If the job was outplaying Juve and lose he has done it.
Great coach. Not quite there yet but still young enough to learn. It must be noted that he has no where near the financial backing of some of the clubs he's taking on. Bright future ahead of him, can't see him staying at Spurs much longer along with some of their top players. Sad in a way but that's modern football.
Edit: it must also be remembered that SAF, as much as I love the guy, took years to realise that you can't just go gung ho and expect to beat the top European sides in a shoot out. Worked for us in the treble years but we could've won more if he had adopted the tactics he did in the later years in the Champions League.
Edit: it must also be remembered that SAF, as much as I love the guy, took years to realise that you can't just go gung ho and expect to beat the top European sides in a shoot out. Worked for us in the treble years but we could've won more if he had adopted the tactics he did in the later years in the Champions League.
Spurs didn't 'outplay' Juventus. Juventus had the best chances in the game!
That is what they do, they defend defend defend and then cut you open for that one opportunity. Then they defend defend defend. A true Italian team.
So football is not played to be better than your opponent?
Good Lord, so many people on this forum have a hard on for defensive bollocks of a football it's crazy, I give up.
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@Keeps It tidy
This is my problem with your post. The team is already there. Well done with the net spend but Poch has one of the top sides in Europe. They're on equal footing with Juve etc and look what happens time and time again.
Poch isn't managing a massive underdog, he hasn't got inferior players so he hasn't got any excuses.
This is my problem with your post. The team is already there. Well done with the net spend but Poch has one of the top sides in Europe. They're on equal footing with Juve etc and look what happens time and time again.
Poch isn't managing a massive underdog, he hasn't got inferior players so he hasn't got any excuses.
A couple weeks ago Poch is the answer to all of United's problems, now he's back to being a sh!t manager who shouldn't be anywhere near United. 
Spurs outplayed Juve but unfortunately for them got caught for about 20 min each game and gave up 2 goals each time, just wasn't their time, but looking at their improvement in the CL from last year I'd say they would consider this year an overall success. Poch is still overachieving and playing a very aesthetically pleasing style while doing it. Would love to have him at United once Jose decides to move on.
Spurs outplayed Juve but unfortunately for them got caught for about 20 min each game and gave up 2 goals each time, just wasn't their time, but looking at their improvement in the CL from last year I'd say they would consider this year an overall success. Poch is still overachieving and playing a very aesthetically pleasing style while doing it. Would love to have him at United once Jose decides to move on.I have no problem with people saying he didn't manage the game well. I said as much.
I'm saying people saying this game proves Mourinho is the better manager are wrong.
If Mourinho's the better manager it will be because of history and how much Mourinho has won and Pochettino not winning anything.
Expect when a team (United) actually plays defensive football and then the masses come out wanting Jose's head.
Tbh Spurs were lucky to be even in the contest. Higuain missed penalty to make it 3-0 in the first leg. Tie would have been over had he converted.
A couple weeks ago Poch is the answer to all of United's problems, now he's back to being a sh!t manager who shouldn't be anywhere near United.
It is useless, lots of people have very strong anti-Poch agenda here it's no use.
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I never use net spend do not associate me with that term. And in terms of wage bill spurs are underdogs.
I think the fact that you consider Spurs equals to Juve really shows the job Poch has done.
So how did Tottenham better Juve, when the result showed otherwise (Tottenham didn't win either game). There is no ghost goal, ref controversial against Tottenham?
You're making stuff up with this one. The posts are there to count as evidence
Somehow I doubt you would extend this same rhetoric to Mourinho if we were to lose 2-1 at home to Sevilla next week. This just makes you look a little one-eyed.
Often the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Pochettino hasn't delivered trophies for Spurs, and there is something very Spurs-like about tonight's exit.
But in isolation, losing to Juventus in a Champions League tie is nothing to knock. I'd argue the same if it was United, or any side for that matter.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but people like you seem narked by the criticism of Mourinho and slightly bitter (?) about the praise directed Pochettino's way. Holding him accountable for some perceived shocking loss and thereby determining his managerial ability redundant to counter the above is just a bit daft.
This Spurs side could really do with a trophy. It would benefit Pochettino, too. But that isn't guaranteed. To be frank, under most normal circumstances it shouldn't be expected either.