Don't call us Poch, we'll call you.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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I mean, if you havent spent any money (whether that's the fault of the manager or the owner) and you lose three of your best players, including your 30 goal a year striker, this is bound to happen. You cant afford to lose players like they have.
Ramos was the last manager to win a trophy at Spurs
I think he should go to Madrid instead of United. He's on a hiding to nothing if he goes to United and is unsuccessful. But no one is really irreversibly damaged by failing at Madrid. The media will line up to make excuses for him.
"Its Madrid" "Aging squad full of egos", "They lost Ronaldo" "No one would have done better than Pochettino"
"Its Madrid" "Aging squad full of egos", "They lost Ronaldo" "No one would have done better than Pochettino"
Fair enough, if we want to compete with a tiny budget we'll give Poch a call
The non recruitment and their lack of depth really coming through right now and they are suffering big time. Long summer, no rest, people coming back early it’s all catching up and the injuries are starting to come in because of it.
They just don’t have the strength in depth to compete on all fronts and in the long run for me he’s right to not give a damn about the Carling and Fa cup. The real prize is the prem, champions league or finishing top 4 orfor Spurs solidifying themselves as a top 4 club. Doing that allows them to build on what they are doing. Anyone with half a brain should be able to work out where Spurs priorities are. The league (top 4) and champions league is far more important to them, if they had the squad they’d or he’d likely go full tilt for all 4 but they simply can’t.
As for Poch he has milked I think as much as he is going to get from this current Spurs side and without investment this is what you’re going to get, still an incredibly talented manager.
They just don’t have the strength in depth to compete on all fronts and in the long run for me he’s right to not give a damn about the Carling and Fa cup. The real prize is the prem, champions league or finishing top 4 orfor Spurs solidifying themselves as a top 4 club. Doing that allows them to build on what they are doing. Anyone with half a brain should be able to work out where Spurs priorities are. The league (top 4) and champions league is far more important to them, if they had the squad they’d or he’d likely go full tilt for all 4 but they simply can’t.
As for Poch he has milked I think as much as he is going to get from this current Spurs side and without investment this is what you’re going to get, still an incredibly talented manager.
Or maybe we might be challenging on all fronts if we get him in and back him like we backed mourinho? He isn’t David Moyes, he’s done far more with spurs and plays far better football than the dross that the likes of small budget managers like Moyes served up.
I don’t even know why I’m bothering, this is the same place that wrote off Klopp and Guardiola after all.
How can a guy who has won absolutely nothing, at a club which has won nothing, have such disregard for the cup competitions it makes no sense! The teams he picks and the way he's talked about the competitions in the past its like he lives in a fantasy where he's completed football and has nothing to prove.
Spurs fans will moan about injuries, but he could've started a much stronger team and won the game but he chose not too, in the only competition they have a realistic chance of winning.
Spurs fans will moan about injuries, but he could've started a much stronger team and won the game but he chose not too, in the only competition they have a realistic chance of winning.
A team not famed for squad depth wobble when injuries and games came thick and fast, who would have thought?
All of this gloating feels very opportunistic. Our season in 2010 unraveled with a single Rooney injury, was Alex Ferguson a bottler?
The fact of the matter is the league is Spurs’s bread and butter, and they are already facing the prospect of falling out of top 4. Fielding the strongest team they possibly could for this tie would be a very dumb move if they lose points in the next league fixture due to tiredness/injuries. At the start of the season people were predicting a hard season for them with no transfer activities, this is the realisation of that prediction.
All of this gloating feels very opportunistic. Our season in 2010 unraveled with a single Rooney injury, was Alex Ferguson a bottler?
The fact of the matter is the league is Spurs’s bread and butter, and they are already facing the prospect of falling out of top 4. Fielding the strongest team they possibly could for this tie would be a very dumb move if they lose points in the next league fixture due to tiredness/injuries. At the start of the season people were predicting a hard season for them with no transfer activities, this is the realisation of that prediction.
Lack of depth my ar*e -
Llorente is his ideal type of striker & him struggling is an indication of pochettin0 playing purely to his plan A.
You won't see martial or Rashford here being upfront by themselves without playing alongside Lukaku.
Llorente is his ideal type of striker & him struggling is an indication of pochettin0 playing purely to his plan A.
You won't see martial or Rashford here being upfront by themselves without playing alongside Lukaku.
The effect of these cups on building winning mentality is a bit exaggerated IMO. Didn't do much for Wigan/Swansea, and Arsenal with their 3 FA Cups in 4 years are hardly title contenders. These cups just don't mean much.
Honestly those who are still defending him are probably trying desperately to prove their initial poont of wanting him at United despite being more and more obvious he's gonna be a terrible choice for us from all possible perspectives.
Spurs are his own level. He has shown several times he can't deal with the unexpected, injuries or pressure, which, guess what, will all occur at any big club regularly. Not only that but his quots prove his mentality pretty well.
Spurs are his own level. He has shown several times he can't deal with the unexpected, injuries or pressure, which, guess what, will all occur at any big club regularly. Not only that but his quots prove his mentality pretty well.
Did you enjoy more winning FA Cup with Lingod's goal, or getting the fourth place the season before that?
For Spurs a trophy should mean even more considering that the last time they won, football was played in black and white.
I like it, the lad is acting shit so Spurs fans think like they won’t miss him when he ditches them for bigger and better things. Clever thinking.
Nope. Redknapp finished 4th with us twice, Pochettino has finished 3rd twice and 2nd once, and we're in 3rd now.
We got one round further in the CL with Redknapp, that's not enough to change the fact Pochettino has done far better in the league, and we won trophies under neither.
Redknapp was a good manager. We played nice football under him, managed top 4 a couple of times and I have good memories of his time in charge. Pochettino though is the best manager, who has built a better, more consistent side.
I meant career wise
I still think Poch is the man for the job. You can't win the league or the CL without significant backing. Even his highness Sheikh Pep needed 200 million euros just to fix the defence(on top of existing talent in the form of KDB, Silva and Aguero)! And you are expecting Poch to win trophies when they spend nil in the summer. I don't care about the FA cup or the carling/carabao cup. PL and the CL is where club's are judged. And I am 100% confident Poch would win both for us.
It's all good with Ole now, but he should be here only till the summer. I am not that confident he can overcome adversity. And Poch is proven commodity. His team runs others into the ground, has an attractive style of play, has made Spurs a constant in the top 4 of the table with significantly less resources.
It's all good with Ole now, but he should be here only till the summer. I am not that confident he can overcome adversity. And Poch is proven commodity. His team runs others into the ground, has an attractive style of play, has made Spurs a constant in the top 4 of the table with significantly less resources.
he didnt care about the FA cup. His side is depleted so he cares about resting the main players for his 4th place campaign. You know, black and white and all that
For us as a club, top 4 is more important than an FA cup or league trophy. I'd adore winning both but those are the facts, and Pochettino knows this.
We're financing a new stadium, and the money we get from competing in Europe is vitally important. It's the main target for the club to consistently make it in to Europe and establish ourselves as a CL regular. In terms of attracting new players as well, us being in Europe will mean a lot more to a majority than us winning a domestic trophy, being inside the top 4 for a club like United isn't as important as it is for a club like Spurs, you already have the biggest revenue stream in the league.
I don't think Pochettino is setting the priorities either. It's very likely he's been informed of what the expected targets are by the board, and those targets are likely primarily league based. That doesn't mean his approach would be exactly the same at a different club.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I still rate FA Cup a lot, so that might be the difference.
Also, they massively wanted that FA Cup last year and also fell short. It just happened too many times for my liking.
I do think he is a very good manager, potentially great, but constantly crashing in the competitions you're more likely to win doesn't look great. Not talking purely about this exit.
He's done a great job given their budget, but at this point it'd be a much bigger risk taking him then just keeping Soslkjaer. Pochettino plays good football and has his team punching above it's weight. Where would they be if they didn't have Harry Kane come through though? He came to Spurs and they had Kane and Eriksen there, and he's done a brilliant job of building the side around those 2 and developing them into world class players. But it is 2 players that were there before he came. He's built a competitive side, but a side that doesn't aspire for anything more than just getting top 4. Levy doesn't want to spend too much money so that's always going to hold him back when it comes to the league, but the cup competitions he just throws away and just flat out doesn't understand the value of them. Year after year of getting top 4, getting knocked out of the CL early, getting knocked out of the FA cup and league cup every year... It's a huge blotch against him. He can't use the lack of spending to defend that. It's flat out his attitude towards the competitions.
Fergie said so many times how winning the first cup can be like a spring board for the rest. You get a taste of really winning. We all hate Mourinho these days but he very much has a point when he was talking about him the other day. He'll change his opinion on the "smaller" trophies the day he actually wins a trophy and understands how much it means to everyone.
As of now, Pochettino has shown he can coach a team to be a high pressing and intense team. Can he rebuild? Can he constantly freshen sides up when you need to? Can he motivate the team sufficiently to actually properly challenge or make the required push? Can he actually build a side past being just competitive but without truly ever being in a pressure situation? That's the big one. Spurs never challenged for the league under him. Yeah they had high finishes, got high points totals, but who gives a feck. They went on runs when the pressure was off and never really were in a race for any trophy. They always lose before the finals of competitions, and the one final he was in he got comfortably brushed aside by Mourinho's Chelsea. It's all very Spurs like actually. All fart no poo type thing. It would be a completely different world of pressure and expectation managing United, and honestly given the way Soslkjaer has done, I think he'd have an incredibly hard time winning the players over because they for sure want Ole to stay.
Fergie said so many times how winning the first cup can be like a spring board for the rest. You get a taste of really winning. We all hate Mourinho these days but he very much has a point when he was talking about him the other day. He'll change his opinion on the "smaller" trophies the day he actually wins a trophy and understands how much it means to everyone.
As of now, Pochettino has shown he can coach a team to be a high pressing and intense team. Can he rebuild? Can he constantly freshen sides up when you need to? Can he motivate the team sufficiently to actually properly challenge or make the required push? Can he actually build a side past being just competitive but without truly ever being in a pressure situation? That's the big one. Spurs never challenged for the league under him. Yeah they had high finishes, got high points totals, but who gives a feck. They went on runs when the pressure was off and never really were in a race for any trophy. They always lose before the finals of competitions, and the one final he was in he got comfortably brushed aside by Mourinho's Chelsea. It's all very Spurs like actually. All fart no poo type thing. It would be a completely different world of pressure and expectation managing United, and honestly given the way Soslkjaer has done, I think he'd have an incredibly hard time winning the players over because they for sure want Ole to stay.
Poch showed his limits already. I don't know why are people expecting managers to suddenly change one they get the job. He has shown he can play good football and get top 4 regularly, but his team is the worst once they're put under any kind of pressure or injuries and this is gonna happen all the time at big club. The team mentality is coming from its manager not the opposite.
We brought on Martial and Rashford against Arsenal. Poch does not have that kind of luxury. I dont get how people don't understand that.
Exactly, too many of our supporters are caught up in the moment. Bet you no one will be smiling when Klopp lifts the fecking PL trophy this season for the scouse cnuts.
Haven’t we already tried giving the job to a blocked who punched above his weight with little financial backing, while not winning any trophies? How did that turn out?
What's his success hit rate like in the transfer market?
Ole is a fan of United. Has dreams of how this united should be play & with what these type of players.
Pochettin0 is a manager who has dreams of United playing the way espanol Southampton & spurs do.
Big difference.
Ultimately - can it be as simple as that a United fan is going to be a better manager for United than a spurs one?
Is that why Pep did amazing for Barcelona & did minimal for Bayern? Is that why Zidane did amazing for real Madrid & I think he will do amazing if he goes to juventus. Is that why simeone did well for atheltic0 Madrid?
This new generation of players need to be a part of a dream they are included in for the club they play too.
Pochettin0 is a manager who has dreams of United playing the way espanol Southampton & spurs do.
Big difference.
Ultimately - can it be as simple as that a United fan is going to be a better manager for United than a spurs one?
Is that why Pep did amazing for Barcelona & did minimal for Bayern? Is that why Zidane did amazing for real Madrid & I think he will do amazing if he goes to juventus. Is that why simeone did well for atheltic0 Madrid?
This new generation of players need to be a part of a dream they are included in for the club they play too.
Stay at a small side then, patronize them about how long ago their success and lose big games pressure free because they signed Alli four years ago.
He shits the bed and tumbles out of two cup competitions in a week, is a last minute header away from not winning 5 out of last 8 odd and you're comparing him to Klopp and Pep.
Why do you bother?
I hope Ole gets the job, so I've cooled on Poch for quite some time now. But, the other reason, when thinking about it, was that he was the best of the rest - the manager we'd have to go for because of such slim pickings. If he is who we get, then OK, but the longer he stays at Spurs, the more harm it's actually doing to his reputation because things are formulaic for him there and he's not doing an extraordinary job when you consider United, Chelsea and Arsenal are (or were) all in disarray, which, whilst Spurs have Kane, Eriksen, Alli and Kane are in a prime position to strike.
Their squad isn't the best, but things shouldn't be so predictable with them. His comments seem to suggest he's reaching the end of his tether, too - they don't come across as a man who believes anything more than what they're doing can be achieved.
He needs to start doing more. His Spurs runs are collapsing in on themselves now and its becoming a zero sum game where he'd be better out of there whilst still on the radar of big clubs rather than see both Madrid and United employ their next managers. At the rate he's going at Spurs, he won't be much of a hot commodity in a couple of years when the next cycle of big jobs come round.
I also think Pochettino is being scrutinised now, which is not something he's used to or had to deal with before. Right, Spurs are 'there', what now? Simple consolidation? Or are you going to push on from there? Is it totally dependent on money in, or can he stretch the team to an unfathomable level once or twice and exceed expectations? The plateau may well be financial, which would be far comment, but what can Poch do despite that?
Their squad isn't the best, but things shouldn't be so predictable with them. His comments seem to suggest he's reaching the end of his tether, too - they don't come across as a man who believes anything more than what they're doing can be achieved.
He needs to start doing more. His Spurs runs are collapsing in on themselves now and its becoming a zero sum game where he'd be better out of there whilst still on the radar of big clubs rather than see both Madrid and United employ their next managers. At the rate he's going at Spurs, he won't be much of a hot commodity in a couple of years when the next cycle of big jobs come round.
I also think Pochettino is being scrutinised now, which is not something he's used to or had to deal with before. Right, Spurs are 'there', what now? Simple consolidation? Or are you going to push on from there? Is it totally dependent on money in, or can he stretch the team to an unfathomable level once or twice and exceed expectations? The plateau may well be financial, which would be far comment, but what can Poch do despite that?
Wonder if Woodward is secretly hoping that Spurs' form continues to dip so it'll be easier to prise Poch.
That's a smooth dig.
That's a smooth dig.
Thanks JP, thought no one would pick it.
Leicester?
Spurs are a shambles. A true embarrassment as always.
I cannot believe how anyone would want Pochettino instead of a United man and a United coaching staff.
It has already failed 3 times. Are people really so clueless?
I cannot believe how anyone would want Pochettino instead of a United man and a United coaching staff.
It has already failed 3 times. Are people really so clueless?
Not much, but they weren't without their stars.
We're playing a few players who have barely kicked a ball all season up front because they're fourth or fifth choice players forced in to action because of an emergency. Our attack and midfield is totally lacking in any kind of fluidity or potency, and that's absolutely no surprise.
We started Nkoudou today, he couldn't even get a game at Burnley. Llorente is a 33 year old striker who has played a handful of games in the last year or so, and our midfield was manned by a youth player and Eric Dier. Lucas was the only one with any hint of genuine quality, none of these guys have any chemistry with each other and look like exactly what they are, players thrown in to the thick of it because of an emergency situation. Once Lamela got on the pitch we started to look more threatening in the second half, but by then the damage is done.
Leicesters owners invested in the club.
Leicester winning the league was a once in a generation event. It wouldn't be at all surprising if none of us ever see anything like it happen in the Premier League again. They are the very definition of an outlier.
How is that even comparison, like seriously ? You know that Klopp won a lot in Germany with a team he built on his own with zero to non budget, leagues, cup, supercups. He won things with BVB. He has some things to show for at least.
Poch is an absolute bottler who crumbles under pressure at every stance. He failed to win even a single cup with one of the best teams in the league and yet getting excused for small budget.
On the contrary, the love for Poch from some United fans is hilarious.
Not to the tune of what City, United etc have. They still didn't have an amazing world class team, which it seems Poch needs before he can win anything...yet Leicester did it with a far less impressive team than what Poch's had to work with.