You don’t think he’s every had the best squad in the league?
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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You don’t think he’s every had the best squad in the league?
The Eriksen Poch inherited is not the one we see now. Alli was signed for 6 million from league 1 MK Dons. It is under Poch that he has turned into the player he is. Under Poch players like Walker went up a level to become the best RB in the league. He was replaced by a player that cost 5 million in Trippier. Dier cost 5 million. These players have reached a certain level because of Poch.
The player that probably fell in his lap was Kane.
The player that probably fell in his lap was Kane.
I also think Klopp has a better record as a manager thus far, I'm just saying I don't think there's a great deal between them, and I'd like to see how Pochettino would do with the same backing Klopp has had at Liverpool.
Alli would sell for 100m+ because he's still very young, but his current level is not a 100m footballer. He's very, very good but he isn't there yet.
How when they have been finishing below Spurs? It is only now they are ahead of Spurs after MASSIVE spending.
Obviously, that is impossible to do.
Liverpool are a force this season, sure, but only after Klopp spent a small fortune on the likes of VVD, Allison, Keita and Fabinho.
Poch spent nothing in the summer and his Spurs side are still competing
Nope. How do you build the "best squad" in the biggest spending league through negative net spending? Literally impossible. If you did it you would be some kind of genius. Kind of like a whiz with money and value
Love you brutha. You’re a realist at heart.
Alli is truly world class. I don’t think I ever appreciated him until the weekend, Everything I thought he couldn’t do, he did. Post Sissoko going off he ran the show with Eriksen.
He operates in a different era but I think he’s a better footballer than Lampard was. He’s got the lot. He had one remit before the sub. Another after. Switched instantly and was still impactful. He’s a fabulous footballer.
Bravo for ignoring.
As a centre-forward I agree, I think Kane provides more. As a player I think they're both at a similar level, Salah was absolutely phenomenal last season. I just don't agree Eriksen is better, he's fantastic but I think he's just below the kind of players I would consider as contenders for best in the league.
I watch Robertson all the time. He's been a machine this season, rarely does any wide player get the better of him, he has the best engine in the league and combines that with a great delivery. He's straight up just better than Trippier, trust me on this one. I like Trippier, he's a great asset to the team .. but he's got serious faults to the defensive side of his game, and he gives teams goals regularly.
Maybe. I think if you're including Alli as an AM choice you have to consider Firmino behind Kane as an alternative.
Robertson will have a John O’Shea career. Quote me.
But not a 30+ goal a season striker. Pochettino is obviously getting the best out of him but still...
Fair enough, I'm a big fan of Alli as well it's just both Liverpool/Spurs have some fantastic players in those attacking midfield roles, so it's tough to fit him in.
I think regardless of combined XI's and all that jazz (which in fairness, is a poor way of judging anyway) that the Liverpool side just has more balance. Klopp has been able to hand pick players who suit his system, Van Djik and Alisson for example are perfect for how they want to play, as are Mane and Salah. Yes Pochettino has fantastic footballers, but for the most part he's had to develop them and fit them around his system rather than vice versa, and if he has weaknesses he has no choice but to make do.
Overall though, Klopp is the better manager. He's won more, reached way more finals, etc etc. Pochettino still has a lot to prove as a manager, all I'm saying that is potentially I think he could be great at a side where he's truly given the backing of the board to bring in whoever he likes, which is what Klopp has received at Liverpool.
Not really. Even if he did, it was marginal. The team was a mess after Bale left and they spent the cash on a bunch of trash.
What?
Even if you think that is true (which I don't), O'Shea was pretty good wasn't he? Better than Davies or current Rose, for sure.
I didn’t say best squad. I maintain best team. That Spurs team was better than Leicester’s and Chelsea’s.
Poch has been deprived of money. But loooking at Expenditure In Isolation is daft. Their recruitment has been amazing. Phenomenal recruitment of low cost players that are now obscenely valuable.
If I found a Sunday league side that could win the premier league i shouldn’t be lauded for not spending money.
Compare Robertson to Rafael and that’s fair. One season plus.
Robertson will be a long term bust.
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Again, even if true that's better than either Davies or Rose. The former is decent & reliable but probably our weakest regular starter, and Rose is half the player since his injury issues.
Why are you saying he found the squad like this... he is the one that made these players this good.
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He’s also been a manager at the top level for longer. No harm in Him being better.
Klopp has been given the cash to fix his problems. Poch has been given band aids to cover his problems.
It’s hard to compare. Would Poch have turned Salah into a £200m footballer? Would Klopp have trusted Kane?
The fact remains that Klopp & Liverpool are challenging for the title with a team that’s no better than Spurs cruised to third place with.
He’s a very good coach. Poch is below that level for me.
Rose has had a better career than Robertson will ever have.
(Please let me be right internet)
Doesn't really mean much, Robertson has only just started breaking through and whilst Rose was excellent a couple of seasons ago, injuries have killed him the last couple of seasons. Not been the same player.
Robertson is nothing special at all. He’s running on a high.
I know I’m doubling down and swimming upstream but there was a day that OShea nutmegged Figo as a rampaging full back.
Both are forgettable footballers.
I think a manager would prefer cash. Klopp got everything he wanted with Van Djik and Alisson, 140m on two players and bang, you've got two of the best players in their positions in the whole league. That's better than having to make do and doing the best you possibly can.
We fundamentally disagree that the team we finished 3rd with isn't better than the team he's winning the league with. I think they have a better, more balanced starting 11, and a significantly stronger squad overall.
He is, he's world class. In terms of achievements Pochettino is below that level, but I think potentially he can get there .. I hope that's with us, but the reality is he may need to move to a club where he doesn't have to rely on Sissoko and Winks in midfield because the chairman doesn't want to sign midfield reinforcements when two of the clubs best midfielders (wanyama and dembele) are clearly broken. As usual he's made fecking do and we've looked good, but is that because Winks & Sissoko are great players, or because in his system they're elevated?
We really won't know until Pochettino gets that support.
If Robertson is forgettable then feck knows what Davies is.
Oh Davies is useless. But he’s your second choice left back. He’s in the same boat as a world of other second tier shit in the league.
He's played 14 in the league, Rose has played 9.
Rose .. is not any better. He's lost that burst of pace since his injuries which was a huge part of what made him dangerous. Personally I think we need two new fullbacks, one to replace Rose and another to replace Aurier with a new right back coming in to challenge Trippier. Our fullbacks are good, but uninspiring and consistently a weak spot against the bigger sides.
You’re a 5/6th placed side that’s had a 5 year recruitment drive that’s paid off.
Rose has had a better season than Robertson will ever have. He was world class for a year. Only Marcelo was better globally.
You’ll win nothing in the next decade but you’ll cover your debts and wipe your shareholders bums. You’re Arsenal on a delayed life cycle.
Missed your chance. Sadly.
Meanie.
What proper football fan isn't?In all honesty, the negative part of me thinks you're probably right. I'm just enjoying the way we're playing atm and not trying to think too far in to the future, worrying about how we'll be in the next decade won't change a thing.
It might sound sad to a United fan (or other fans of the elite clubs) but just occasions like beating Madrid at Wembley, or getting a late draw at the Nou Camp to reach the knockouts would have been unthinkable for us not so long ago. So I think the majority of us are having fun with whatever we do, hopeful for the future but not really knowing what to expect.
After spending large sums of money in the transfer market, Klopp has not managed to win a single trophy.
That's all it boils down to.
I don't really give a toss about this argument but come on now, you know what you're doing there. He was by far and away England's most important attacking outlet, creating the most chances (24) and has widely been acknowledged as England's best player at the tournament. And he banged in a free kick.
I think he could be exposed during Kane's injury. Knowing Tottenham's luck they'll probably play teams like Watford, and score from lucky bounces of the ball from corners during his injury. That's been the story for him normally apart from the odd Kane, Alli or Eriksen long shot.
And if that was the case, clubs would simply pay up the contract of any players they want and, boom, transfer done. But it doesn't work that way does it? If a club wishes to be difficult, they can refuse to allow the contract to be broken - as we see many times when players are told to be professional and get on with the job rather than be seduced by every passing job offer.
You seem to understand that the internal logic of your position doesn't make sense when you accept that Utd may need to pay "£20 million on top to act as a sweetener" - if there was "nothing Levy could do", why on Earth would Utd pay him an extra £20 million?!? Charity?
What you mean is, Levy can say no to releasing Poch even if we pay his contract up, and then there will be a negotiation. Which was the point of my original post, which, oh yes, you said was "ridiculous".
It's weird that you feel qualified to be so patronizing when your own post proves my point.
I think Klopp is better than Pochetino at the moment. Won 2 Buli's a couple of FA's and took his team to the CL final twice.
Admittedly, he's been longer in the business, but this body of work, as of today, shows he's better.
As for the LFC/THFC teams, I think they were pretty comparable as of last year, but with the additions of VVD and Alisson Liverpool clearly have the better starting 11.
Admittedly, he's been longer in the business, but this body of work, as of today, shows he's better.
As for the LFC/THFC teams, I think they were pretty comparable as of last year, but with the additions of VVD and Alisson Liverpool clearly have the better starting 11.
Funded in large part by Catalan money for a player that currently sits on the bench.
Players have transfer fees, managers don't. Name me 5 managers that transferred the way players do from one club to the other and the "fees" that went the other way.