A caretaker manager

devilish said:
That can actually work. Ole does zero coaching, his tactics are crap and he is a living corpse at the touch line. Thus he can focus on interviews, waving at proud Sir during the game and watching the game from the Ipad. Meanwhile Conte does the rest.

The United tinged media would backed them because of Mates FC and so would the top reds. Ole, Carrick and Co would also get real on the job training by shadowing Conte and his coaching staff (ie bringing them coffee and carrying cones etc). Phelan would be thrilled to cover the same role he had when Carlos, Rene and Sir was still here
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Brilliant idea!!! :lol:
 
He's a good friend of Sir Alex who has praised him for his coaching ability/methods on many occasions.
Sam Allardyce: on the condition he doesn't bring Sammy Lee with him.
 
Not a big fan of 'interim manager' post, but no harm in checking if Guus Hiddink is available. Can be a perfect short term fix.
 
Would people accept Sol Campbell or maybe Steven Gerrard on a temporary basis and see how they do till the end of the season ?
 
The White Pele said:
If that’s all it takes to be a top manager then why wouldn’t we get in one of the many retired top players with managerial experience as caretaker, rather than burden Ronaldo with it.

This has been mentioned a few times since Ronaldo came back that he’s come back to ultimately become manager but I have no idea where it has come from. Does he even want to be a manager?
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Nothing more than a childish fantasy.
 
Give it to Micky Shortz till the end of the season!

Seriously though, better to stick with Ole and review at the end of the season than to go through managerial upheaval twice in 6ish months. If Ole is to be replaced now is the time to put the legwork in and get the right guy, not rush an interim appointment.
 
The only caretaker I'd consider is Ralf Rangnick - would be an education for the players for the rest of the season in how to play pressing football. Then a manager with a similar philosophy could join in the summer. The club would never have the forethought to do this though.
 
I want Ten Hag next summer. For the rest of this season just one with a temper who will be screaming at the sideline and at the big ego players. Season is over for United. No coach can salvage this. Therefore just need some fun things to watch during matches and post games interviews :-)
 
Skills said:
With the talent we've got, how tumescent can it be?
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Terrible imo. Simply because we don’t have ANY movement off the ball, we don’t retain possession particularly well and our best players suit a far more direct approach.

The guy wouldn’t come back as a caretaker anyway, he’s too busy running his mouth off about us usually.

In theory he could help us transition in that period to a Ten Haag style as they both like to dominate possession but I just can’t see it and the more I talk the more I think Ten Haag might struggle with this squad and he’s my preferred choice as manager. :(
 
RUCK4444 said:
Terrible imo. Simply because we don’t have ANY movement off the ball, we don’t retain possession particularly well and our best players suit a far more direct approach.

The guy wouldn’t come back as a caretaker anyway, he’s too busy running his mouth off about us usually.

In theory he could help us transition in that period to a Ten Haag style as they both like to dominate possession but I just can’t see it and the more I talk the more I think Ten Haag might struggle with this squad and he’s my preferred choice as manager. :(
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See the thing is, the United team he did have wasn't particularly suited to possession football anyway? And we were still very good at keeping the ball. We dominated the ball with players like Fellaini & Smalling playing through the middle and way past it Rooney.

Funnily enough, I think the less influence LVG has over recruitment the better manager he is. If he's forced to use the players he's got, he somehow manages to make it work - when he gets an open chequebook and a license to build a team he becomes inflexible and rigid (so does his football).
 
Skills said:
See the thing is, the United team he did have wasn't particularly suited to possession football anyway? And we were still very good at keeping the ball. We dominated the ball with players like Fellaini & Smalling playing through the middle and way past it Rooney.

Funnily enough, I think the less influence LVG has over recruitment the better manager he is. If he's forced to use the players he's got, he somehow manages to make it work - when he gets an open chequebook and a license to build a team he becomes inflexible and rigid (so does his football).
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I agree with you.
 
Rash Decision said:
LVG for caretaker then :) For what it’s worth, I did like what he wanted to do, just not the final product.
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Van Gaal is the current Dutch NT, Head Coach.But we have a Dutchman at the club (Marcel Bout) who has been assistant Manager to both Van Gaal and Jupp Heynckes at Bayern and is the most experienced coach at the club. but he's currently working as our Head of global scouting.
 
Eddie Howe isn't a terrible shout in that he might be able to sort out our midfield play, although I can't really see him sorting out our woeful defence at this point. Still, maybe with Varane back we might do ok until we sign someone permanent.
 
TwoSheds said:
Eddie Howe isn't a terrible shout in that he might be able to sort out our midfield play, although I can't really see him sorting out our woeful defence at this point. Still, maybe with Varane back we might do ok until we sign someone permanent.
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As decent a manager as he is, I really can't see Howe managing our dressing room given the egos involved. For the sake of his own career, he'd fare much better to save himself for a mid-table team before making any step to elite level.

That's the issue with any caretaker manager. Either they're a big name manager between jobs (e.g. Koeman), or they're a nobody whose stint won't be ruined because they aren't highly regarded generally (e.g. er, Ole).
 
Adnan said:
Van Gaal is the current Dutch NT, Head Coach.But we have a Dutchman at the club (Marcel Bout) who has been assistant Manager to both Van Gaal and Jupp Heynckes at Bayern and is the most experienced coach at the club. but he's currently working as our Head of global scouting.
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Ah didn’t know that about LVG. I have a soft spot for the mad Dutchman.

Your suggestion sounds good, but I doubt the Board would do that. It sounds like they offered the role to Fletcher (another coach with no experience?) before deciding to leave Ole in place for now.
 
Adnan said:
we have a Dutchman at the club (Marcel Bout) who has been assistant Manager to both Van Gaal and Jupp Heynckes at Bayern and is the most experienced coach at the club. but he's currently working as our Head of global scouting.
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Sounds like just the right man for the DOF job. But nah, let's just give it to one of the mates.
 
Adnan said:
Van Gaal is the current Dutch NT, Head Coach.But we have a Dutchman at the club (Marcel Bout) who has been assistant Manager to both Van Gaal and Jupp Heynckes at Bayern and is the most experienced coach at the club. but he's currently working as our Head of global scouting.
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I would absolutely love to see Van Gaal back as an interim. Imagine the press conferences :drool:
 
Skills said:
See the thing is, the United team he did have wasn't particularly suited to possession football anyway? And we were still very good at keeping the ball. We dominated the ball with players like Fellaini & Smalling playing through the middle and way past it Rooney.

Funnily enough, I think the less influence LVG has over recruitment the better manager he is. If he's forced to use the players he's got, he somehow manages to make it work - when he gets an open chequebook and a license to build a team he becomes inflexible and rigid (so does his football).
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I think the initial reaction from a lot of us, myself included, is that we hated that style of football. It was a possession system but wasn't attacking in nature, just very negative, sideways passing. I'm not sure what that would offer us at this juncture when top 4 is still entirely possible and very important for the next full time manager.

There's an argument to be had that he could secure a top 4 finish but the concern for me would be that I think his style would be difficult for the players to quickly transition to (mid-season) and it would likely stifle the chance creation for Ronaldo, causing it's own issues both on and off the pitch if Ronaldo needs to be dropped or isn't getting the service.

Believe it or not, whilst I'm now in agreeance that Ole needs to be replaced, I still think if we we can stabilise this dreadful form that we may as well leave him in charge until Ten Haag can step in at the end of the season (if we need to wait for Ten Haag until then, which we assume we do.) No decent level manager will take on the caretaker role, Ole has a good a chance of securing top four as the likes of Fletcher so long as Ole makes changes to arrest our form, let him know he's off at the end of the season and has a role upstairs in some capacity. I know it's not what people want but ultimately if it means Ten Haag at the end of the season it's probably what's best for us.
 
Revan said:
Being realistic is always a good idea. Being deluded is not.

We gave up on the league title the moment we extended Ole's contract, instead of thanking and replacing him after the Villareal game (although he should have been fired much earlier).
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I'd rather we kept ole. If we sacked him then the fanbase would be too toxic they'd keep on harping about how we should have stick with ole and on and on and the next manager cant work in peace.

Now at least we all agree (mostly) that sacking him is the right decision.

It's just need to happen for the greater good. No more romantic ex players and bogus united ways
 
Caretaker managers don't work. Ole should be used as a caretaker manager till a better one becomes available.
 
So I think the reality is we will now need a caretaker to see us to to the end of the season,

Who can actually take this team and try to finish the season semi-decently ?

Ten-Haag doesn’t come until the summer if he’s at all interested, Conte is now out of the picture, Poch is in a job and Zidane I don’t think would be that interested,

It’s a very bad situation ain’t it
 
Random guy on redcafe over OGS.

Wouldn't do any worse, would appreciate the experience and get the time of their life, would cost less, and we'd probably win more points.

Maybe SAF has a teenage grandson looking for work experience?
 
Think we're at a point where Ole is basically a caretaker manager again. As soon as the right candidate appears I think its over for him.
 
owlo said:
Random guy on redcafe over OGS.

Wouldn't do any worse, would appreciate the experience and get the time of their life, would cost less, and we'd probably win more points.

Maybe SAF has a teenage grandson looking for work experience?
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Darren Ferguson? Honestly don't think he'd do worse than Ole.
 
Blanc, Koeman, Wenger?? Anyone really, seems the players also have enough.
 
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