#9 The Priority For Jose

Kane or Aubameyang upfront, bring in a couple of new wingers, and that should sort out the attack. With Rooney and Zlatan both likely to leave, Lingard clearly not being up to the required standard, and Mata and Mkhi not providing enough of a threat from the right, we need a minimum 3 attacking players to challenge.
 
Ofcourse and for that we need him to kick a fuss. How does this go towards it though? We can simply tell Greizmann's entourage that we need him to force a move out.

I got that mate, what I'm asking is how is briefing the press we're not interested going to make them accept installments though? Only way to force atletico's hand is via Greizmann himself kicking up a fuss. For that, we just tell him that this is how it is and he needs to make the club accept an installment structure. There's no reason to go to the press for this.
We can tell them, and we sure have, but cooling it down and making the media frenzy aim elsewhere should make it more than just a bluff.
 
His record is pretty good but my point was that he was one of the more prominent journos that didn't think we were as high on him as others, maybe this is misdirection but you've always played it from the position of being pragmatic, we need a #9 as we can't start the season with Rashford in the role, so from a pragmatic point of view it does seem unlikely we'd pay for two players over £70M which is likely what it will take to get Griezmann and a #9, especially when we need other positions filled as well, or do you see us doing a Real/PSG/City and just going mad with transfers?.

I know he's normally reliable, but my point is he's some sort of gateway to legitimacy as to whether or not a transfer will or wont happen. We don't need Di Marzio to chime in on this either. After all he's more of a Serie-A specialist and simply may have not had any contacts with the two clubs.

The way several journos came out with this at once, leads me to suspect the club deliberately let this out for tactical effect.
 
I highly doubt we will sign a #9.

Fairly certain Jose will want to keep Zlatan, and when Zlatan is fit he'll start as we saw this year.

I don't see us spending a fortune on someone for them to play till Zlatan is fit then be on the bench. Rashford/Martial & Griezmann (if he signs) can cover the 9 until Zlatan is fit.
 
Kane or Aubameyang upfront, bring in a couple of new wingers, and that should sort out the attack. With Rooney and Zlatan both likely to leave, Lingard clearly not being up to the required standard, and Mata and Mkhi not providing enough of a threat from the right, we need a minimum 3 attacking players to challenge.

Just how much cash do you expect Utd to spend this summer?
 
Its almost certainly 2 or 3 imo. There's no way we suddenly changed course because we realized we need a striker. Its pure crap for the easily led.
Definitely. That's just misdirection the club has put out for whatever PR reasons. Griezmann was definitely a target imo, and could still be. The only difference is that the club might foresee it being more difficult to extricate him from Atletico than previously thought. Doesn't mean they won't try, or aren't trying, just that they're perhaps lowering expectations in case it doesn't happen.
 
Should have signed a long term option last year rather than a pensioner. Wasn't a fan of short term thinking last year, I certainly am not happy now that it has cost us a world class signing

To be fair even someone younger than him would have got that injury. His layoff is not to dissimilar to Rojo's
 
If we wanted to operate with a degree of sense we'd overhaul our shite attack so we might actually have a chance of challenging for the title.
This. This talk about buying one attacker doesn't wash with me.
We need about 3. At least two.
This club has struggled to score goals for four years now.
We'd still struggle to finish in the top four if all we do this summer is replace Zlatan with Lukaku or another big lump of a No 9.
 
Ofcourse and for that we need him to kick a fuss. How does this go towards it though? We can simply tell Greizmann's entourage that we need him to force a move out.

I got that mate, what I'm asking is how is briefing the press we're not interested going to make them accept installments though? Only way to force atletico's hand is via Greizmann himself kicking up a fuss. For that, we just tell him that this is how it is and he needs to make the club accept an installment structure. There's no reason to go to the press for this.

Oh I thought that was implicit in my last post. If we're the only club willing to activate his release- AND - he wants to join us, then pretending we are looking elsewhere in order to spook Atletico would seem a logical tactic. I doubt anyone else is willing to activate his clause, so its basically just us attempting to secure an agreement with them on payments.
 
Who is the closest match to Louis Saha at his best in world football right now?

That's the kind of no 9 this team needs right now.
 
I know he's normally reliable, but my point is he's some sort of gateway to legitimacy as to whether or not a transfer will or wont happen. We don't need Di Marzio to chime in on this either. After all he's more of a Serie-A specialist and simply may have not had any contacts with the two clubs.

The way several journos came out with this at once, leads me to suspect the club deliberately let this out for tactical effect.

Or it's a reaction to the fact that the CAS ruling means Atelti and Griezmann wont be parting ways, it could be anything but the logic that Jose wants a #9 over anotehr floating attacker makes sense if we look at his history and we accept United aren't playing with a limitless set of funds.

I highly doubt we will sign a #9.

Fairly certain Jose will want to keep Zlatan, and when Zlatan is fit he'll start as we saw this year.

I don't see us spending a fortune on someone for them to play till Zlatan is fit then be on the bench. Rashford/Martial & Griezmann (if he signs) can cover the 9 until Zlatan is fit.

That would be stupid, Ibra is too old and we suffered from playing a system totally geared to him all season, he's also coming off one of the worst injuries a player can get, we can't put our season on a 36 year old and expect to play for months with a bunch of players operating at #9 when none of them are actually #9's.
 
Or it's a reaction to the fact that the CAS ruling means Atelti and Griezmann wont be parting ways, it could be anything but the logic that Jose wants a #9 over anotehr floating attacker makes sense if we look at his history and we accept United aren't playing with a limitless set of funds.



That would be stupid, Ibra is too old and we suffered from playing a system totally geared to him all season, he's also coming off one of the worst injuries a player can get, we can't put our season on a 36 year old and expect to play for months with a bunch of players operating at #9 when none of them are actually #9's.

I'm pretty sure we're after both a 9 and 10 so its not a binary choice of signing Griezmann or a 9, which is why these stories stink to high heaven.
 
Ouch - well if you do spend that and fail to win the league would that be the end of Jose?
No. The league will be the priority and we have to challenge, but he won't be sacked if we fail to win it. A top 2 finish is probably what's expected. The league is far too competitive these days to sack a manger because he hasn't won it. City will spend just as much, and probably more, than us. It's about progression, not instant success.
 
if we're going to play 433, we could push Pogba further up, basically making him our fulltime 10.
But then we'd need an absolute ace of a wideman in addition to a no.9.
It would also stop the issue of shoehorning a 90 million asset in Pogba into a 2man mid, in a 4231.

You just wonder if there are enough goals overall in that version of a 433, particuarly as Pogba's numbers dont yet match a Lampard or Scholes etc.

He did hit the woodwork about 8 times, he is not too far off. Problem is we would rely too much on hope. Hope Mata, Martial and Mkhitaryan show their true goal scoring abilities
 
I'm pretty sure we're after both a 9 and 10 so its not a binary choice of signing Griezmann or a 9, which is why these stories stink to high heaven.

Maybe it is a 9 and 10, but Griezmann is no longer the 10 we're after following the ban. I wouldn't be surprised if we turn to James for that position now.
 
If we start the season with last years attack + Lukaku then you wont have to worry about goal celebrations all that often like.

I'm not going to deny that. But if we were to acquire Griezmann only a similar statement could as well be made. We need a good transfer window to move forward, it's just that I'm not too fond of the midget Frenchman.
 
Maybe it is a 9 and 10, but Griezmann is no longer the 10 we're after following the ban. I wouldn't be surprised if we turn to James for that position now.

Ehh ? Why on earth would be suddenly not be interested in him. All signs are that terms have been agreed and we are merely haggling about the payment method to his club.
 
I'm pretty sure we're after both a 9 and 10 so its not a binary choice of signing Griezmann or a 9, which is why these stories stink to high heaven.

Ok, if you think that than fair enough, I just don't see us paying £86M for Greizmann and then another £60-70M for Belotti or Lukaku on top of buying a CM, CB, LW and LB, our squad is too lacking on quality depth to blow the lot on 2 big signings IMO.
 
Ok, if you think that than fair enough, I just don't see us paying £86M for Greizmann and then another £60-70M for Belotti or Lukaku on top of buying a CM, CB, LW and LB, our squad is too lacking on quality depth to blow the lot on 2 big signings IMO.

I'll bet we spend well over 200m (probably closer to 250) which is entirely plausible given that we sold Memphis and Morgan. That's more than enough for Griezmann, Morata, Fabinho, and a CB.
 
Ehh ? Why on earth would be suddenly not be interested in him. All signs are that terms have been agreed and we are merely haggling about the payment method to his club.

Perhaps we overestimated our willingness/ability to pay the clause upfront, and would rather opt for cheaper options?

Obviously I prefer the idea that we are tempting Griezmann into requesting a move by briefing the press, but I don't see that as being that likely. He seems happy enough in Spain to stick it out for a short while longer.. plus he didn't sway away too much from staying or leaving Atletico from interviews.
 
Who is the closest match to Louis Saha at his best in world football right now?

That's the kind of no 9 this team needs right now.

This.

Best attack United has for decades was with Rooney-Saha-Ronaldo. Mobile, interchangeable, positions.

Footie porn.
 
IF we are not signing Griezmann, we need to sign a goal scoring right winger like Sanchez or Bale along with a striker. Else we'll find ourselves in the same position as last year depending on one player for all our goals. We need someone else who'll get a solid 15 goals in the league.

Lukaku
Perisic--Mkhi--Sanchez
Pogba--Herrera

 
I've been saying it since I've joined this forum that Benzema would be a very good signing for us. Has height, strength, finishing, technique, able to create for himself and teammates.
He turned us down many times, not sure what changed now?
 
I'll bet we spend well over 200m (probably closer to 250) which is entirely plausible given that we sold Memphis and Morgan. That's more than enough for Griezmann, Morata, Fabinho, and a CB.

Well, lets just say I hope you're right and I am wrong. :)
 
I actually think this makes sense.

Maybe we will bring in an Anchor and play Pogba Ander and Fabinho with Lukaku, two wingers. Let Pogba actually grow into the role, have lukaku smashing in goals as he has done for years
 
I think it makes complete sense to prioritise a number 9. The reality is we have Rashford and Martial (who Jose doesn't play up front) as strikers until Jan. That clearly isn't enough.

No matter how good Griezmann is he isn't an out and out striker. He's a Second Striker/10. The argument is how does buying a striker make up for our lack of goals elsewhere and the answer is, it doesn't.

But, do we see either Martial or Rashford scoring 30 goals next season up top? It's clearly the position that needs addressing first with Zlatan out. Once it's addressed, we can move onto other attacking areas and Griezmann could be one of those players we move for, particularly if both Rooney and Zlatan go.
 
I actually think this makes sense.

Maybe we will bring in an Anchor and play Pogba Ander and Fabinho with Lukaku, two wingers. Let Pogba actually grow into the role, have lukaku smashing in goals as he has done for years

Nah every United summer transfer window warrants a mammoth expensive muppet signing. At least that's what Moses was supposedly heard saying coming down from mountain Sinai...
 
I really hope there is no truth to the Lukaku rumours. He is a flat track bully who rarely shows up on the big occasions and if he doesn't score he offers little else in general play.
 
By all accounts Lewandowski was set to be signed in 2012, but Van Persie was close to City and Ferguson wanted to prevent him going there, such was his obsession with winning that final league title so he could retire.

Would have been a great asset and servant to the club; wouldn't surprise me to see him targeted again.
 
He turned us down many times, not sure what changed now?

Wouldn't say he turned us down many times when he only turned us down back in 2009 in order to join Madrid.

Now things are different, he's won plenty in Madrid and Zidane is under ever growing pressure to play Morata.
 
I have a feeling we'll end up with Belotti and Morata
 
By all accounts Lewandowski was set to be signed in 2012, but Van Persie was close to City and Ferguson wanted to prevent him going there, such was his obsession with winning that final league title so he could retire.

Would have been a great asset and servant to the club; wouldn't surprise me to see him targeted again.

Though we'd need really silly money to take away Bayern's crown jewel. Reality firmly holds this transfer target within its grasp.