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#9 The Priority For Jose
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I've been saying it since I've joined this forum that Benzema would be a very good signing for us. Has height, strength, finishing, technique, able to create for himself and teammates.
Depends on the type of striker Mou wants. Would Rash not been seen of an Auba style? Run in behind. Mou tended to have a Completely dominating striker in various squads. A drogba, costa style focal point. Jose is structured in what he wants. If he has given a list to Woodward 4-6 weeks ago, then that's the avenue he will go.
I wouldn't say it's because he isn't muscly, it's more the fact that his game is to run in behind rather than hold-up in front of the defence. He's 6'2 and looks as equally built as someone like Lewandowski, for instance.
Ye that's what I meant, his playstyle differs from what you'd associate with Jose.
I don't believe this latest wave of journo tweets about a #9. Sounds like the club are attempting a bit of misdirection by leaking something to muddy the waters.
That's music to my ears. Putting aside football aspects I don't want to witness Griezmann and Mata doing hotline blings... Bleh!
If we start the season with last years attack + Lukaku then you wont have to worry about goal celebrations all that often like.
Lukaku wouldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
Its none sense, either:
1. AG was never a target; or
2. the club have fed the media something to shut them up; or
3. A journo has made this up and everyone else has jumped on it.
There's no way we would switch our focus like a kid in a sweetshop. If he is a target, he will be ours, if not Mourinho has someone else in his mind and always has done.
1. AG was never a target; or
2. the club have fed the media something to shut them up; or
3. A journo has made this up and everyone else has jumped on it.
There's no way we would switch our focus like a kid in a sweetshop. If he is a target, he will be ours, if not Mourinho has someone else in his mind and always has done.
Ain't that the truth.Its almost certainly 2 or 3 imo. There's no way we suddenly changed course because we realized we need a striker. Its pure crap for the easily led.
So let me get this clear. You are saying, we will either sign him...or not sign him
You've waited all year to post this, haven't you Cpt. Hindsight?
His close control has been a lot better this season to be fair.
No, i'm saying nothing has changed, we havent switched our focus and i dont believe the recent tweets.
It sounds like Atlético is demanding 100% upfront so we need AG to have a tantrum.
I can see how the whole release clause upfront could impede dealings, mind.
We may literally lose our #9 and #10 this year. So the smart money would be on replacing both.
Yep, that could be a distinct possibility. We respond by leaking something to journos to create a narrative that we are looking elsewhere as leverage in the Griezmann negotiations.
I don't see how the briefing makes our position any stronger? It's not as if atletico want to sell but for a lump sum amount. They just don't want to sell at all.
I do think Martial will be deployed as a no9 more often next season, Jose clearly doesnt trust him defensively on the left. That means we have Martial, Rashford, and another no9 to come in. It means we need two wingers to come in, as I have little faith in Mkhi or Mata on the right, and can't see who would play on the left if Martial doesnt.
Glad the club is looking at the right type of player rather then just a big name tbh. We need a holding mid (fabinho), a striker (belotti/morata/lukaku) and a winger (perisic) way before we need a griezmann type. Get those 3 in, play mkhitaryan on the right wing and griezmann really isnt needed. He would be the cherry on the icing type, and would obviously take us up a level, but only if we get the base team balanced first. Getting griezmann without the striker or winger would leave us unbalanced as hell and force us to play incredibly narrow, in turn hampering both pogba and griezmann. Not needed.
What leverage though? This would make sense if atletico wanted to sell but only for a lump sum amount. Then, we gain an upper hand by doing this. Atletico don't want to sell at all though so doing this gives us nothing.
Unhappy players can change things.
To pay them in installments as opposed to pay mostly upfront.
I was talking financial sense rather than footballing sense.
Or the easily led were already being led in regards to the Griezmann deal, Di Marzio never had him down as our priority for instance, but the herd of sheep journo's all parroted the Griezmann story to such an extent that evreyone started to accept it as fact, and I think part of it is that he's the only world class player on the market this summer.
Morata would be a very good buy but he seems destined for Milan. I think our wide players would benefit a lot from playing alongside him because of his overall play. Morata and Griezmann would be a great window for our attack, but it seems unlikely that will happen.
Morata or lacazcette. We need strikers with all round ability
We don't need a Di Marzio tweet to confirm whether or not we are after someone. I work with media and know all the tricks about leaking stories for misdirection. This has all the hallmarks of just that.
Ibra got 17 goals, we replace him we are just replacing the goals he got and adding nothing new. We need a new striker plus a midfielder. Whether this idea new 10 or winger, We need someone who actually scores goals need someone not a striker. Truth is that mata mkh lingard martial etc had not done enough to get goals . Greizmann does this so it's essential we get him. Lukaku greizmann fabinho and Keane would be the 4 signings I want.
Ofcourse and for that we need him to kick a fuss. How does this go towards it though? We can simply tell Greizmann's entourage that we need him to force a move out.
I got that mate, what I'm asking is how is briefing the press we're not interested going to make them accept installments though? Only way to force atletico's hand is via Greizmann himself kicking up a fuss. For that, we just tell him that this is how it is and he needs to make the club accept an installment structure. There's no reason to go to the press for this.
To the Jamie Vardy thread ...
Can't understand why Greizmann went on French TV and gave that flippant interview. Surely Greizmann would have been in the loop about the CAS case?
Plus Pogba's comments earlier this week with 'watch this space'.
I'm guessing if AM can't get a replacement he feels bad for leaving.
I agree we need a new number 9 with Zlatan out / off, but last year we struggled with goals from the supporting cast. Greizmann would have been ideal for this.
Can't understand why Greizmann went on French TV and gave that flippant interview. Surely Greizmann would have been in the loop about the CAS case?
Plus Pogba's comments earlier this week with 'watch this space'.
I'm guessing if AM can't get a replacement he feels bad for leaving.
I agree we need a new number 9 with Zlatan out / off, but last year we struggled with goals from the supporting cast. Greizmann would have been ideal for this.
I agree with this.
I actually dont know how AG fits into the team. He's not a RW or a no 9 so would need to play no 10. Its well documented on here that Pogba struggles in a 2 so surely bringing AG in doesnt work based on current personnel?
I think our investment would be better focused elsewhere, we have some gaping holes but there are players who fit those holes better than AG and he'd end up playing out of position if we signed.
Anyone who thinks Belotti would be a good signing at the prices being quoted are mad. He has had one good season in Serie A where Dzeko was top scorer this season and apparently he is worth £80m? Get real. When was the last time an Italian striker was successful in the Premier League? Actually when did a striker straight from Serie A actually do well in the Premier League? I can't think of many.
Similarly with Mbappe he is just a kid with one full season under his belt. Any club willing to pay over £100m is mad. He needs to stay at Monaco for at least another year.
If Aubameyang is available at the price quoted we should surely have to stop him going to PSG. A proven goal scorer, cheaper than most options, wants to leave and can play on RW as well, which is another position where we are lacking.
Other than that maybe Lukaku but again make him hand a transfer request in and get his price down, £100m is a joke. Other than that I would get in Sanchez as priority to play LW. Maybe use him as a striker with Martial on the left until Zlatan is fit again. He did well as a CF for Arsenal.
Similarly with Mbappe he is just a kid with one full season under his belt. Any club willing to pay over £100m is mad. He needs to stay at Monaco for at least another year.
If Aubameyang is available at the price quoted we should surely have to stop him going to PSG. A proven goal scorer, cheaper than most options, wants to leave and can play on RW as well, which is another position where we are lacking.
Other than that maybe Lukaku but again make him hand a transfer request in and get his price down, £100m is a joke. Other than that I would get in Sanchez as priority to play LW. Maybe use him as a striker with Martial on the left until Zlatan is fit again. He did well as a CF for Arsenal.
A striker won't be able to do anything without service. We need a quality winger and a defensive mid to give Pogba the platform to roam forward. Also a quality LB will also give us width on the left side, which we currently lack.
His record is pretty good but my point was that he was one of the more prominent journos that didn't think we were as high on him as others, maybe this is misdirection but you've always played it from the position of being pragmatic, we need a #9 as we can't start the season with Rashford in the role, so from a pragmatic point of view it does seem unlikely we'd pay for two players over £70M which is likely what it will take to get Griezmann and a #9, especially when we need other positions filled as well, or do you see us doing a Real/PSG/City and just going mad with transfers?.
nah, didn't need to wait. I said it plenty of times whilst we were linked to him and throughout the season. You don't build a winning team around 35 year olds
if we're going to play 433, we could push Pogba further up, basically making him our fulltime 10.
But then we'd need an absolute ace of a wideman in addition to a no.9.
It would also stop the issue of shoehorning a 90 million asset in Pogba into a 2man mid, in a 4231.
You just wonder if there are enough goals overall in that version of a 433, particuarly as Pogba's numbers dont yet match a Lampard or Scholes etc.
But then we'd need an absolute ace of a wideman in addition to a no.9.
It would also stop the issue of shoehorning a 90 million asset in Pogba into a 2man mid, in a 4231.
You just wonder if there are enough goals overall in that version of a 433, particuarly as Pogba's numbers dont yet match a Lampard or Scholes etc.
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Morata is not the physical striker which fits mourinho's profile.
One would have to think that common sense would prevail. Pay the extra for the buyout clause on an attacker we desperately need to avoid not challenging for the title for 4 years on the trot and loose more money that way.
I doubt the board would be that obtuse just because of upfront or instalments options and would rather risk a poor league finish yet again...
I doubt the board would be that obtuse just because of upfront or instalments options and would rather risk a poor league finish yet again...