I heard that wenger has given the board his word that he will stay
80% of Barca fans would sell Fabregas to us for €30M
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He's playing on the wing for us so yes, he's a #10.
We're more likely to step aside from re-signing Cesc if you promise not to sell us Hernandez.
Well, I'd like us to upgrade on Carrick, if we had an all-action defensive midfielder it would take a lot of pressure off Febregas and Mata, in this hypothetical formation.
I'm thinking Barca's 433 with Biscuits, Iniesta and Xavi. Though they could certainly score 6, they rarely conceded 2 much less 5, and they won plenty of games 1 or 2 to nil.
We were the kings of defense in the heyday of VDS-Vidic-Rio, but I'm not so sure we'll be able to lean on our defense in the same way in the near future. A more attacking style may suit us.
Besides, it the United way, attack, attack, attack!
Why? Don't you want a winner in your team? A player who actually knows how to win things and does not bottle it up?
I was actually referring to the reactions more than the original post.
But hey, we'll all muppets this Summer! Bring on the Krooses and the Reuses!
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Arsenal don't need Cesc at all. I don't think Wenger would spend big on him.
Wrong and wrong again.
Don't you think Wenger will prioritize a top striker and CB before going for someone like Fabregas? They already have Ozil/Ramsey/Wilshere/Rosciky for similar positions.
Any chance of getting Fabregas back and Wenger will take it. That doesn't exclude us buying a striker and a RB. I still think it's unlikely that he'll move.
Could be but a top striker and a CB and RB will cost north of 50 million pounds in all probability. So will Wenger be willing to fork out another 30+ on top of that?
Where will you play him?
Alongside Ramsey would be a bit too light weight against big teams. Would also mean giving up on Wilshere long term.
Behind the striker then Ozil shifts to the wing permanently and surely would mean end of Carzola since you are not going to play 3 AMs behind the striker. Need some pace from somewhere. Carzola is not going warm the bench. Does not make sense to spend 40m on Ozil and play him out of his best position as well.
Infact if you buy him again instead of buying a striker, I don't think you will do any better than this season
I think Cesc could work in a midfield unit with a dedicated defensive midfielder with him, a-la Busquets.
If we signed a proper DM (although none in particular come to mind...), the likes of Fabregas, Mata, Kagawa and even Rooney could play as the other two, more advanced players in a midfield three, as long as they had that DM behind them to tidy up.
I also think that system would bring out the best in Cleverley FWIW, and that he will never fit in when we play a 2 man midfield.
If we signed a proper DM (although none in particular come to mind...), the likes of Fabregas, Mata, Kagawa and even Rooney could play as the other two, more advanced players in a midfield three, as long as they had that DM behind them to tidy up.
I also think that system would bring out the best in Cleverley FWIW, and that he will never fit in when we play a 2 man midfield.
I think Fabregas would work very well with Carrick, with Carrick sitting deeper and Fabregas more box-to-box. Although my dream signing for that would be Vidal. I hope we break the bank for him rather than Cesc.
The trouble is that a lot of this likely depends on the system that the new manager will want to play (or Giggs...).
Will it be a 3 man midfield or 2?
Someone like Vidal could fit into either I am sure, but the likes of Fabregas I would have my doubts about in a 4-4-2.
IF we were to sign Cesc, I would rather see us get a dedicated DM (or try to use Fellaini in that role) and have two of Fabregas/Mata/Kagawa/Rooney/Cleverley in front of him, playing as quasi AM/CMs in a similar fashion to Xavi/Iniesta at Barca.
Will it be a 3 man midfield or 2?
Someone like Vidal could fit into either I am sure, but the likes of Fabregas I would have my doubts about in a 4-4-2.
IF we were to sign Cesc, I would rather see us get a dedicated DM (or try to use Fellaini in that role) and have two of Fabregas/Mata/Kagawa/Rooney/Cleverley in front of him, playing as quasi AM/CMs in a similar fashion to Xavi/Iniesta at Barca.
About £100M: Benzema £40M, Fabregas £35M, Corchia/Auriel £10M, back-up CB £10M
Nah Pete. I think we would offer more money to him.
Why has Fabregas been made the spacegoat at Barca?
Why has Fabregas been made the spacegoat at Barca?
I don't see Wenger spending that much. Do you think the board will sanction that kind of splurge?
Yep that's what's needed to make us more competitive and we have the money now.
We'd offer £150K/week and he isn't primarily $$$ driven. I think Barca have misused him and he's the one taking the flak.
A mate of mine said that there was a fan interviewed recently on some sports show outside the ground about Fabregas who said the reason they don't accept him is because he left the club when he was younger. He was wearing a Pique shirt.
I am sure you have the money but will the board sanction such a spend? It will be interesting this summer for sure for many top clubs.
You really love your Cesc dont ya?
He was one of the best players in the league when he went and will be again.
I think for footballing reasons alone, Fabregas would be better off joining United.
The only reason I'd see him go to Arsenal is because of the best.
No offence to Arsenal, but under the right manager, United are a much better team in my opinion, and I do believe we will invest heavily in the summer.
Depending how things go, yes we are out of the CL right now, but Arsenal could easily miss out next season, and to me, could be out for a few years to come.
As for improving. The central midfield of Arsenal is stronger, but they are weaker in many other places. Slightly improving in midfield, or improving more in other areas is the choice they'd have, but surely other areas are more important.
The only reason I'd see him go to Arsenal is because of the best.
No offence to Arsenal, but under the right manager, United are a much better team in my opinion, and I do believe we will invest heavily in the summer.
Depending how things go, yes we are out of the CL right now, but Arsenal could easily miss out next season, and to me, could be out for a few years to come.
As for improving. The central midfield of Arsenal is stronger, but they are weaker in many other places. Slightly improving in midfield, or improving more in other areas is the choice they'd have, but surely other areas are more important.
We haven't been out of the CL for 17 years. You're out right now and will find it difficult to get back in with the renaissance of Liverpool. Wenger is also Fabregas' football mentor, who moulded him into a world-class player. So IF he's coming back to the PL his destination is a no-brainer.
We hadn't been out of it for longer. We have had a bad season under a manager who has now gone. Next season with investment we will be much better equipped.
If Fergie was here still, or a manager of better quality, we would have made the CL, and it would have been you who would have missed out.
If we don't strengthen, then sure, getting into the CL could be a struggle, but with all the talk, and with a better manager, I don't think it will be a problem next season.
It will be you that will have a harder time
Will be quite interesting.
Especially as he's just found going back to his former team hasn't been the peach he expected! Would be a risk to go to a team who have won perhaps 1 FA cup in 8 years, whatever brief flux we're in.
Would be a huge part of your budget on a part of the team you're over stacked in already.
Come on Pete, I understand you wanting United to perennially suffer now, but even you don't believe we will be struggling to get back into the top 4? We have had one poor season. ONE!! I don't know and frankly don't care much about where Fabregas ends up but when we get back into the top 4 next season, your team looks most likely to miss out.
Arsenal lose everytime against big teams anyway, I don't think it's going to matter where he plays them against them.
You've also never won the competition and usually go out in the last 16. You're the also rans every year. As far as being in the top four goes, you fight for that 4th spot on a yearly basis now and if anyone is going to drop out next year, it's probably Arsenal.
United will spend big this summer, no guarantee of success but we will address some clear weaknesses in the squad, replace a struggling manager and in all likelihood be a much greater threat. I wouldn't be surprised if, once business is done, United are favourites for top 4 ahead of Liverpool and Arsenal.
What you actually mean is you 100% expect the club to ensure every neutral in the country would put their house on it once we have concluded our transfer business. I expect us to be the biggest spenders in Europe this summer by quite a distance. Based on nothing more than the expected departures of Rio, Vida and Evra in additional of the obvious squad weaknesses.
What is the point being in it every year with no realistic chance of winning it apart from finances. Its hard to believe a player would choose Arsenal because they are in the CL when they rarely hit the latter stages. You also play a style of football which was always a lesser form of tika taka which itself has been battered in recent seasons in the CL latter stages. That wont change under wenger. At best you have a one in 18 chance of winning next season on the basis you havent won it in the last 17 attempts! Cesc could come to us and earn 100k a week more than you can offer. He'll miss likely 7-8 CL games with us which he'd get with you. Sure the little boy inside him will bring him to OT the club actively persuing him.
But would they take Fellaini as a part of the deal?? That´s the question..
I think there is a real possibility of this happening.
Arsenal is also a possibility too obviously.
Arsenal is also a possibility too obviously.
IF CESCISOFF= TRUE
THEN IF WENGERATARSENAL= TRUE
THEN CESCATARSENAL= TRUE
ELSE ABORT.
THEN IF WENGERATARSENAL= TRUE
THEN CESCATARSENAL= TRUE
ELSE ABORT.
This is what is known in propositional logic as modus bellends.