GO FOR IT! We want screenshots though.
Zen, keep the suspense, tell us one at a time, on the game thread.
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GO FOR IT! We want screenshots though.
Zen, keep the suspense, tell us one at a time, on the game thread.
Err. Zen just said he's off. Can't blame him. For some reason listing out PK takers took ages.
Bollocks, I was at a meeting, not that my absence mattered.
Cold_Boy, it seems you lost (again!) with a Beckham miss.
We said yesterday Zen would have the final say, seems to me that he has, in a rather convoluted way.
Looks like Zen is re-running it on the game thread, isn't it?
Mate, first time the time thingie cut off the voting with you one down. It probably should have stayed that way but we made a meal of it and Dan was a good sport there.
We added an hour for extra votes, Zen didn't appear, no one did, you were still one down so we decided to wait for Zen who drew it and suggested this penos thing, run it without your selected takers but you lost with a Beckham miss. If the player missing had been someone else you would have a case but you did pick the one who missed.
It really all points to Dan, but if Zen recreates it with the chosen penalty takers fair cop.
Dan probably deserves to win it though, this from someone who voted for your team. At this point I would be gutted for him as he has been exemplary throughout (not that you haven't, but he sure had a case for throwing a tantrum).
Dan not getting to see that was a bit harsh too....eh, you can all sort it how you want. But there were others who saw CB won the penalty thing, bummer I forgot to take it off commentary too, killed the goddamn the suspense.
It should only take like 20 minutes to recreate all the teams, it'd be making the tournament and getting the players properly fit that'd be the hassle....that was basically the second friendly of the year and luckily they drew anyway.
It should only take like 20 minutes to recreate all the teams, it'd be making the tournament and getting the players properly fit that'd be the hassle....that was basically the second friendly of the year and luckily they drew anyway.
TBH a 2001/02 database would massively favour certain teams so all this work you would have to do to get them fit and competitive is a bit irrelevant.
It may be good for kicks later if you find yourself with time to spare though.
It may be good for kicks later if you find yourself with time to spare though.
CM0102.dbc
thats the database without me editing it(for FM12), he's done a pretty good job. there are just some stuff he's forgot(like Juninho Paulista who I had to edit in), but it does bring back memories of the great game without the ridiculously dated interface -_-
if anyone wants to use it or anything it goes into editor data in the /your name/documents/sports interactive folder......though on steam you need to download the editor first, which is under library and where it says 'all games' click on the arrow down and click tools.
thats the database without me editing it(for FM12), he's done a pretty good job. there are just some stuff he's forgot(like Juninho Paulista who I had to edit in), but it does bring back memories of the great game without the ridiculously dated interface -_-
if anyone wants to use it or anything it goes into editor data in the /your name/documents/sports interactive folder......though on steam you need to download the editor first, which is under library and where it says 'all games' click on the arrow down and click tools.
OK, so Pires or Gattuso?
How much do people rate Simeone? I was never quite clear if I was too rushed in taking him as my 4-5th pick or I could have been riding that for a few rounds.
Pires costs me Forlán and would look like this:
-------------Vieri
Pires----------------------Luis Enrique
------------Zidane
------Seedorf----Simeone
Gattuso:
-------Forlán----Vieri
-----------Zidane
----Seedorf-----Luis Enrique
-----------Gattuso
or (more Milan-like)
-------------Vieri
------Forlán---Luis Enrique
-----------Zidane
------Seedorf--Gattuso
None of them a convincing improvement.
How much do people rate Simeone? I was never quite clear if I was too rushed in taking him as my 4-5th pick or I could have been riding that for a few rounds.
Pires costs me Forlán and would look like this:
-------------Vieri
Pires----------------------Luis Enrique
------------Zidane
------Seedorf----Simeone
Gattuso:
-------Forlán----Vieri
-----------Zidane
----Seedorf-----Luis Enrique
-----------Gattuso
or (more Milan-like)
-------------Vieri
------Forlán---Luis Enrique
-----------Zidane
------Seedorf--Gattuso
None of them a convincing improvement.
Congrats!
Gattuso for me. 2nd one is my personal preference. Like you said though, none of my players would make a big difference to you. I guess Gattuso's a slight upgrade on Simeone.
Gattuso for me. 2nd one is my personal preference. Like you said though, none of my players would make a big difference to you. I guess Gattuso's a slight upgrade on Simeone.
Should I go with this or Take Cafu?
Or this?
It's a difficult one mate, you really are missing a proper left sided midfielder. Without Beckham your midfield looks solid but uninspiring, with him it looks unbalanced.
Don't see much of a point in pairing Ronaldo and Schevchenko if you can't give them proper service.
I would most likely take Cafú TBH but you definitely should wait until you see who you are playing next. Nothing wrong with that, they'll know they are playing you when they pick.
Abidal can do a job on Figo or McManaman, but whoever wins we are talking Lauren vs. Giggs or Overmars though
The second team with Cafú could probably grind out a result. Probably, but the only hope I see.
Don't see much of a point in pairing Ronaldo and Schevchenko if you can't give them proper service.
I would most likely take Cafú TBH but you definitely should wait until you see who you are playing next. Nothing wrong with that, they'll know they are playing you when they pick.
Abidal can do a job on Figo or McManaman, but whoever wins we are talking Lauren vs. Giggs or Overmars though
The second team with Cafú could probably grind out a result. Probably, but the only hope I see.
It's a difficult one mate, you really are missing a proper left sided midfielder. Without Beckham your midfield looks solid but uninspiring, with him it looks unbalanced.
Don't see much of a point in pairing Ronaldo and Schevchenko if you can't give them proper service.
I would most likely take Cafú TBH but you definitely should wait until you see who you are playing next. Nothing wrong with that, they'll know they are playing you when they pick.
Abidal can do a job on Figo or McManaman, but whoever wins we are talking Lauren vs. Giggs or Overmars though
Fair enough.
But Ballack, Litmanen can provide enough service.
So can Beckham a bit if I play him.
Plus Lauren is not bad. Was one of best RBs at his peak in PL.
Also the the lure of picking Ronaldo is too tough to resist.
Still a lot of time to think.
Just edited:
The second team with Cafú could probably grind out a result. Probably, but the only hope I see.
Edited too.
Think you are under-estimating Litmanen a bit.Also Ballack can carry the ball forward.
Also imagine Ronaldo and Shevchenko up front.
See you're editing as well
You could either have Cafú and Shevchenko with Di Natale, or Cafú, Shevchenko alone and pack the midfield with:
-------Litmanen
Ballack-Keane---Beckham
--------Hamman
You'll be told Ballack is no leftie and all that (you won't get away from that anyway) but that central midfield would make either of those really struggle for possession, when they attack you your backline would be very solid and Cafú-Beckham-Ballack and Litmanen sure would get a few balls over to Shevchenko.
You CAN grind out a low-scoring game, if you can then pick Giggs all bets are off for the final!
For sure he is no Gattuso with pressing as a characteristic of his game. The defensive aspect of his game may not be a strength but it is also not a weakness. It is not as if most of the time he is standing off while the rest of his team is pressing. When his side adopts a team pressing tactic, he has shown that he is more than capable of chipping in his fair share. In fact, he has shown more in this aspect than many other playmakers remaining in this tournament. I just want to dispel the myth that anyone (not necessarily meaning you) might have that Veron contributes little defensively.
We have to agree to disagree then because imo only Zidane and Scholes are a level above (I do not consider Rivaldo a playmaker). Several others, including Veron, are on the next tier below, roughly around the same level in ability at their respective peaks.
Veron plays in a similar position to Xavi, how many players are capable of displacing Xavi in the Barca side?
Besides, you are missing my point, read again what i said
Polaroid said:
Barcelona being one example, Madrid, Spain, Dortmund, City and United being other contemporary examples in varying degrees.
The point is simple - if you have superior awareness and technique, when pressing results in limited space and time, you fare better relative to your less gifted opponent who might just hoof the ball and pray that a team-mate latches onto it. That is why i have doubts over your hypothesis that Veron shies away from pressing because of worries over being pressed in return. Players of his calibre in awareness and technique have less to worry about being pressed into limited space and time than most of the opponents they face.
Anyway, we should not be derailing this thread. This will be my last post on this if you do not mind.
Fair enough. While I think there are reasons for a sole playmaker to shy away from pressing and leave it to others, it would be fair to say that in Brwned's team he could have been expected to do more of it and not sacrifice his teams' creative engine in the process, as it wouldn't be entirely falling on his shoulders.
Should I go with this or Take Cafu?
Or this?
Missed the voting in the QF.
Playing Cling Bak or Snow next?
The tactical choice would be Cafu. Both Snow and Cling Bak have excellent left wingers. If you beat Cling Bak/Snow and add their left winger, your team is pretty much complete.
But then, maybe the majority of voters do not care as much about tactics as the players they like. A dream pairing of Ronado and Shevchenko could secure many votes regardless of talk about tactics.
Cold Boy is alreaady sufficiently tempted. I would refer him to the fate of Crustanoid with that stellar front three that had little chance of seeing much of the ball...
Strikers are useless if you can't get the ball to them.
or the fate of Gio who went out despite a stellar midfield
Not easy to figure out how people vote despite what we may think
Do you think that his team cannot get the ball to Ronaldo and Shevchenko?
Even those inclined to agree with you might think that with such quality upfront, he could score more despite having less of the game than his opponent.
Hasn't he already picked him? Thought that was pretty clear after posting that new lineup directly after he won.
He sure will get a vote here and there just because he has Ronaldo. He will likely lose a lot more when people see Lauren has to deal with Giggs or Overmars. They would tear him a new one.
He lacks a fair bit in creativity, the worst he can do is have very few chances to actually create anything. If he secures possession and controls the midfield with a solid back four you wouldn't bet against Shevchenko nicking one.
Nah, he posted options earlier and said he had a lot to think about, which is fair enough as there's no reason he should rush. Particularly when he doesn't even know who he is playing!
I'm not sure about this. If they found room to squeeze in Fabregas, then there's little reason why Veron, whose peak level Fabregas hasn't reached yet, couldn't hold down a spot. He was held in similar regard to Zidane when both played in Serie A. Zidane accepted as the more elegant and better dribbler, but Veron viewed as a more complete midfielder.
I don't think you're gaining much by bringing in Gattuso to be honest: Simeone's level wasn't markedly worse. I'd be tempted to take Pires (or Scholes?!) and stick him on the bench.
surely any team has a space for Scholes!
Personally I think Gattuso is an upgrade on Simeone as well
Personally I think Gattuso is an upgrade on Simeone as well
They didn't need Fabregas, they only found room for him because they need to blood someone for life after Xavi, or even for life once injuries actually started happening. Him being homegrown had a lot of sway as well.
Inclined to agree, but Gattuso surely must be a bigger vote winner (or non-loser) given he has played more recently. And he has all the WCs and CLs, and the synergy with Seedorf and all that claptrap. Having both Simeone and Luis Enrique exposes me to younger cafites who never saw them in their pomp.
Pires I would consider but:
1) I'm never going to pick a decent right winger off Brwned or Rood,
2) I don't really feel like playing Luis Enrique there (I thought he was phenomenal as a centre mid or in an attacking midfield cum forward link role, on the right wing I would feel I'm wasting him),
3) I would have to bench Forlán as a midfield two of Zidane + Seedorf or Zidane + Simeone would probably get smashed in latter stages. I'm not going to weaken my team to play Robert f******g Pires so I can claim I have great width
4) I don't rate his mentality, he would be a complete misfit in my team.
Scholes... it would kill me to have him on the bench and not play him, but he is not viable TBH. I need the wider central midfielders to be capable in wide areas so I would have to lose Simeone to play him, which is asking for trouble. Let him go on holiday, he's earnt it.
Issue is I have Zidane, who is not an easy one to fit himself, you will have noticed I try to give him as much room and as little to do defensively as possible.
Accommodating Scholes would have to be in a central role, as I want the other two to drift wide or help track back. As a result that central role is more a defensive covering than a creative one. Playing Scholes would screw up my balance in midfield, unless I bench Zidane, which I won't do!
You could always do a Madrid and stick Zidane in a nominal inside-left position.
Zidane - Scholes - Luis Enrique
Seedorf - Simeone
But I can see why you want to keep the star player right in the heart of the action. Playing Mendieta in an inside-right position probably cost me qualification from the group.
How about a proper 4-4-2 for Coldboy
Marcos
Lauren-Stam-Mettarazzi-Abida
Becks-Keane-Ballack-Wiltord
Ronaldo-Sheva
Marcos
Lauren-Stam-Mettarazzi-Abida
Becks-Keane-Ballack-Wiltord
Ronaldo-Sheva
Like this?
Yes, but with Rivaldo left and Owen right. The rationale is Davids and Tacchinardi would be too much for Schneider and Nedved alone. I feel you need to add an extra body to even it up and really be able to get the contribution you need from them.
With a player like Owen and such passmasters Brwned can't defend high up. If Pirlo joins Davids and Tacch he leaves space for Rivaldo to drop into and receive through balls with space to attack. Guardiola's balls could go to him, or Nedved, or Schneider, behind the DMs backs so his DMs are bound to drop deeper to limit that space between the lines. Next thing you know he is effectively with his back against the wall, Valerón relatively isolated (and Guardiola is onto him) and your fullbacks bombing forward.
Mind, he can break away and try hit you on the counter but I think you can deal with that.
Or maybe like this?
You are effectively deciding to be on the backfoot here: you have two DMs on Valerón there which is completely unnecessary unless you are preparing to sweep Pirlo's balls and support your fullbacks (i.e. you are giving him the initiative by design). Davids and Tacchinardi with some help from Pirlo make short work of your creative midfielders and lay balls off for Pirlo to pull the strings. Owen gets bored with little if any service.
The bonus is he has to go through more solid layers of defensive lines, but he is clearly in control and you are just hoping for him to drop a bollock for you to get an opportunity.
Anyway, I don't know why exactly I tell you all this, it may come back to haunt me
That means benching Forlán who would perform very well at that inside left role, it doesn't look like an improvement on what I can already do really.
In previous matches it has transpired Lauren and Wiltord are not particularly rated on here. I have defended Lauren's attacking contribution before but don't rate either of them relative to the opponents they will face.
The midfield lacks creativity (Ballack is no Scholes), you would be asking people to have a huge belief in the Beckham to strikers route to be enough. Don't think a majority will.
Giggs/Overmars vs. Lauren remains the most glaring mismatch on the pitch.
I think people really under-rate Keano's passing and his attacking intent when he was at his prime. For some reason people associate tackling, passion etc with Keano but nearly everyone forget what a fine midfielder Keano was in his prime. He played a large no of matches with Nicky Butt in midfield.
I don't think a midfield of Ballack-Keano will lack any creativity, both of them were along with Vieira are the three most complete midfielders in the last 20 years or so. Besides with Sheva-Ronaldo upfront, there is no need for too much creativity anyway.
I don't think a midfield of Ballack-Keano will lack any creativity, both of them were along with Vieira are the three most complete midfielders in the last 20 years or so. Besides with Sheva-Ronaldo upfront, there is no need for too much creativity anyway.
Keane at his prime would improve every midfield. He was immense. We haven't had a player nearly as good as him in central midfield since he left (Scholes obviously not counted since he was there before)
Exactly.
A Keane-Ballack midfield in their prime would dominate most of the midfields in this world, both attackingly and defensively. Also Ronaldo playing just behind Shevchenko is a scary prospect too./