70s Retro Football Fantasy Championship - DRAFT THREAD

[Team Brian GB]

Here's one for everyone:

If you could choose (from your picks so far) a year in which your team had to play together in order to get the best fit/most of them at their peak, what would it be?

Bare in mind whatever year you choose is each player's ability/experience/class from that year. e.g. Beckham in 1999 > Beckham in 2012 and he would only be 18 years old if you picked 1994.

Hasselbaink and maybe Cudicini aside, my team you could say 2004-2006 considering Makelele, Seedorf, Stankovic, Drogba, Samuel, Sorin etc.

 

[antohan]

You better not let us down now Dan. Got those last three Brazilians picked out?

This is the first round I'm really worried about Dan. I never before had a Brazilian as my preferred next pick.

I'd better start working on a Plan B

 

[antohan]

Not really no. 2000. Figo, Giggs, Petit, Kluivert, Kuffour all in their prime. Lampard's last season with West Ham were he managed 7 goals in the league. Frings with 150 league games under his belt. Phil Neville a treble winner.

Dida and Heinze the only two far from it. Not any worse for me than anyone else really.

It was mainly Dida, Heinze and Lampard that stood out. Lampard on 7 goals a season is not quite Lampard, is he?

 

[antohan]

Cal? has just over 2 hours left (2:05 to be precise)

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI 4. SIMEONE 5. VIERI 6. FORLAN 7. MONTERO 8. RAMELOW 9. BROWN
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU 4. GILBERTO SILVA 5. PERNAMBUCANO 6. JUAN 7. JULIO CESAR 8. DENILSON 9. EDU
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS 4. GALLAS 5. OWEN 6. SCHNEIDER 7. DINO BAGGIO 8. MILITO 9. CARRAGHER
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA 4. VAN BOMMEL 5. TREZEGUET 6. PERUZZI 7. AMBROSINI 8.ORTEGA 9. SERGINHO
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES 4. CRESPO 5. SOLSKJAER 6. G. NEVILLE 7. GROSSO 8. PANUCCI 9. GUTI
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON 4. AIMAR 5. CLAUDIO LOPEZ 6. MAKAAY 7. GAMARRA 8. BABBEL 9. ZIEGE 10. NAYBET
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS 4. CARVALHO 5. VDS 6. ZE ROBERTO 7. EDMILSON 8. MCMANAMAN 9. CAPDEVILA 10. LAURSEN
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER 4. SCHOLL 5. JEREMIES 6. TOLDO 7. KLOSE 8. GIULY 9. PESSOTTO 10. TORRICELLI
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL 4. LJUNGBERG 5. ANDY COLE 6. YORKE 7. CORDOBA 8. FERRER 9. OKOCHA 10. FRIEDEL
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA 5. INZAGHI 6. MARCHENA 7. VAN BRONCKHORST 8. SALIHAMIDZIC 9. SOLARI 10. FERREIRA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN 5. HAMANN 6. ABIDAL 7. WILTORD 8. LAUREN 9. DI NATALE 10. MATERAZZI
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON 5. RAFAEL MARQUEZ 6. SENNA 7. SALGADO 8. HARRY KEWELL 9. KALADZE 10. ELBER
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI 5. CAMORANESI 6. EMERSON 7. SIMIC 8. IULIANO 9. SERGI 10. ARCE
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER 5. HYYPIA 6. VALERON 7. SAGNOL 8. LARSSON 9. RECOBA 10. RECBER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC 5. W.SAMUEL 6. HELGUERA 7. HASSELBAINK 8. REIZIGER 9. SORIN 10. CUDICINI
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT, 5. KUFFOUR, 6. KLUIVERT, 7. HEINZE, 8. FRINGS, 9. DIDA, 10. P. NEVILLE

 

[Gio]

Here's one for everyone:

If you could choose (from your picks so far) a year in which your team had to play together in order to get the best fit/most of them at their peak, what would it be?

Bare in mind whatever year you choose is each player's ability/experience/class from that year. e.g. Beckham in 1999 > Beckham in 2012 and he would only be 18 years old if you picked 1994.

I'd probably say 1999. All players bar Ziege at the top of their game.

 

[Cling Bak]

I'd probably say 1999. All players bar Ziege at the top of their game.

I'd say Ziege was at his peak then as well, no? Not far off. He was at Milan, in the German side and had been for a few years, with plenty of experience. Definitely wouldn't say it's a year that was handicapping him.

If anything, I'd say Makaay wasn't quite into his stride yet. The rest (if not all) fit very nicely.

 

[Snow]

It was mainly Dida, Heinze and Lampard that stood out. Lampard on 7 goals a season is not quite Lampard, is he?

Not but 8 out of 11 is hardly bad for a single prime year. I have Giggs and the best player in the world in attack. Hardly the primes being scattered about. Hardly any different than your team. Brown and Forlan's prime didn't coincide with Luis Enrique's or Vieiri's.

 

[antohan]

Not but 8 out of 11 is hardly bad for a single prime year. I have Giggs and the best player in the world in attack. Hardly the primes being scattered about. Hardly any different than your team. Brown and Forlan's prime didn't coincide with Luis Enrique's or Vieiri's.

Yeah, I'd say Luis Enrique and Forlán are my polar opposites so I would always sacrifice one. Forlán was already having people calling for him to be in the NT in 99 though and Brown looked very promising.

My point in your case was more about how differently your team would work with the early Lampard rather than the more recent 20-goal a season one. No doubt it would be a cracking team, but it would be more reliant on the wing play while, not being tied to a specific year, what you actually have are top-form options to be incisive both on the flanks and through the middle.

 

[antohan]

It is now The Religion's turn BTW.

 

[Snow]

Yeah, I'd say Luis Enrique and Forlán are my polar opposites so I would always sacrifice one. Forlán was already having people calling for him to be in the NT in 99 though and Brown looked very promising.

My point in your case was more about how differently your team would work with the early Lampard rather than the more recent 20-goal a season one. No doubt it would be a cracking team, but it would be more reliant on the wing play while, not being tied to a specific year, what you actually have are top-form options to be incisive both on the flanks and through the middle.

Fair enough. Lampard did improve a lot by just playing in a better side. But he definitely got much better about 3 years later.

I'm a fan of Forlán with Uruguay. A shame that they're so good now and he's at the end of his career. Similar situation with Iceland. Guðjohnsen past his prime and suddenly there's a proper midfield to feed of.

 

[Cold_Boy]

Lets get this done ,people!!

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Regarded by many as the greatest African defender of all time, Naybet along with Ayala was the best centre-half in La Liga for a number of seasons either side of the millenium.

Great choice. Surprised he didn't go earlier.

 

[Snow]

Because he's forgettable. When Deportivo popped off the radar, so did he.

 

[TheReligion]

I will make my pick when I get home from work if that is okay

 

[Cling Bak]

I'm holding Rood's pick on the basis that this would've easily gotten to him (possibly twice!) by now.

Not sure I can hold out much longer, though I may be up in the night anyway...

 

[Jayvin]

Because he's forgettable. When Deportivo popped off the radar, so did he.

That's a bit unfair, he left Depor in 2004 at the age of 34.

 

[Cal?]

Sorry, roaming trouble...

Mellberg is my 10th pick

 

[antohan]

The Religion's turn has come and gone, Ruud still has 3:12 before we hand over to Dan

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI 4. SIMEONE 5. VIERI 6. FORLAN 7. MONTERO 8. RAMELOW 9. BROWN
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU 4. GILBERTO SILVA 5. PERNAMBUCANO 6. JUAN 7. JULIO CESAR 8. DENILSON 9. EDU
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS 4. GALLAS 5. OWEN 6. SCHNEIDER 7. DINO BAGGIO 8. MILITO 9. CARRAGHER
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA 4. VAN BOMMEL 5. TREZEGUET 6. PERUZZI 7. AMBROSINI 8.ORTEGA 9. SERGINHO
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES 4. CRESPO 5. SOLSKJAER 6. G. NEVILLE 7. GROSSO 8. PANUCCI 9. GUTI 10. MELLBERG
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON 4. AIMAR 5. CLAUDIO LOPEZ 6. MAKAAY 7. GAMARRA 8. BABBEL 9. ZIEGE 10. NAYBET
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS 4. CARVALHO 5. VDS 6. ZE ROBERTO 7. EDMILSON 8. MCMANAMAN 9. CAPDEVILA 10. LAURSEN
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER 4. SCHOLL 5. JEREMIES 6. TOLDO 7. KLOSE 8. GIULY 9. PESSOTTO 10. TORRICELLI
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL 4. LJUNGBERG 5. ANDY COLE 6. YORKE 7. CORDOBA 8. FERRER 9. OKOCHA 10. FRIEDEL
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA 5. INZAGHI 6. MARCHENA 7. VAN BRONCKHORST 8. SALIHAMIDZIC 9. SOLARI 10. FERREIRA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN 5. HAMANN 6. ABIDAL 7. WILTORD 8. LAUREN 9. DI NATALE 10. MATERAZZI
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON 5. RAFAEL MARQUEZ 6. SENNA 7. SALGADO 8. HARRY KEWELL 9. KALADZE 10. ELBER
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI 5. CAMORANESI 6. EMERSON 7. SIMIC 8. IULIANO 9. SERGI 10. ARCE
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER 5. HYYPIA 6. VALERON 7. SAGNOL 8. LARSSON 9. RECOBA 10. RECBER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC 5. W.SAMUEL 6. HELGUERA 7. HASSELBAINK 8. REIZIGER 9. SORIN 10. CUDICINI
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT, 5. KUFFOUR, 6. KLUIVERT, 7. HEINZE, 8. FRINGS, 9. DIDA, 10. P. NEVILLE

 

[Cling Bak]

Rood takes:

Stephen Carr

 

[Cold_Boy]

Does my 11th player have to be a Goalkeeper? or Can I chose the GK as my 12th pick?

Is the 12th pick a compulsory sub or part of the squad?

 

[kps88]

He's part of your squad. Up to you how you line up your team.

 

[DanNistelrooy]

I'll have Sylvinho at left back.

 

[Cold_Boy]

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI 4. SIMEONE 5. VIERI 6. FORLAN 7. MONTERO 8. RAMELOW 9. BROWN
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU 4. GILBERTO SILVA 5. PERNAMBUCANO 6. JUAN 7. JULIO CESAR 8. DENILSON 9. EDU 10. SYLVINHO
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS 4. GALLAS 5. OWEN 6. SCHNEIDER 7. DINO BAGGIO 8. MILITO 9. CARRAGHER 10. CARR
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA 4. VAN BOMMEL 5. TREZEGUET 6. PERUZZI 7. AMBROSINI 8.ORTEGA 9. SERGINHO
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES 4. CRESPO 5. SOLSKJAER 6. G. NEVILLE 7. GROSSO 8. PANUCCI 9. GUTI 10. MELLBERG
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON 4. AIMAR 5. CLAUDIO LOPEZ 6. MAKAAY 7. GAMARRA 8. BABBEL 9. ZIEGE 10. NAYBET
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS 4. CARVALHO 5. VDS 6. ZE ROBERTO 7. EDMILSON 8. MCMANAMAN 9. CAPDEVILA 10. LAURSEN
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER 4. SCHOLL 5. JEREMIES 6. TOLDO 7. KLOSE 8. GIULY 9. PESSOTTO 10. TORRICELLI
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL 4. LJUNGBERG 5. ANDY COLE 6. YORKE 7. CORDOBA 8. FERRER 9. OKOCHA 10. FRIEDEL
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA 5. INZAGHI 6. MARCHENA 7. VAN BRONCKHORST 8. SALIHAMIDZIC 9. SOLARI 10. FERREIRA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN 5. HAMANN 6. ABIDAL 7. WILTORD 8. LAUREN 9. DI NATALE 10. MATERAZZI
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON 5. RAFAEL MARQUEZ 6. SENNA 7. SALGADO 8. HARRY KEWELL 9. KALADZE 10. ELBER
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI 5. CAMORANESI 6. EMERSON 7. SIMIC 8. IULIANO 9. SERGI 10. ARCE
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER 5. HYYPIA 6. VALERON 7. SAGNOL 8. LARSSON 9. RECOBA 10. RECBER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC 5. W.SAMUEL 6. HELGUERA 7. HASSELBAINK 8. REIZIGER 9. SORIN 10. CUDICINI
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT, 5. KUFFOUR, 6. KLUIVERT, 7. HEINZE, 8. FRINGS, 9. DIDA, 10. P. NEVILLE

 

[antohan]

Roma favourite and French WC/Euros champion

After much consideration, I'll ditch my favoured goalkeepers that few will have heard of as I would surely need to replace them if I progressed.

I pick SEBASTIEN FREY

 

[kps88]

Leonardo of AC Milan ilk? He's 69 born.

 

[antohan]

Leonardo of AC Milan ilk? He's 69 born.

feck, and there I was wondering why on earth he was being su terminally underrated

 

[Gio]

Brazilian World Cup Winner and all-round nice guy

Unless your name's Tab.

 

[antohan]

Unless your name's Tab.

He he, the funny thing is what brought me to him was that. I was thinking LB and then thought "wait a minute, wasn't he LB ahead of Carlos in 94"

Completely forgot about checking his age though

 

[Cold_Boy]

Mate make your other pick.

 

[antohan]

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI 4. SIMEONE 5. VIERI 6. FORLAN 7. MONTERO 8. RAMELOW 9. BROWN 10. CANDELA 11. FREY
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU 4. GILBERTO SILVA 5. PERNAMBUCANO 6. JUAN 7. JULIO CESAR 8. DENILSON 9. EDU 10. SYLVINHO
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS 4. GALLAS 5. OWEN 6. SCHNEIDER 7. DINO BAGGIO 8. MILITO 9. CARRAGHER 10. CARR
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA 4. VAN BOMMEL 5. TREZEGUET 6. PERUZZI 7. AMBROSINI 8.ORTEGA 9. SERGINHO
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES 4. CRESPO 5. SOLSKJAER 6. G. NEVILLE 7. GROSSO 8. PANUCCI 9. GUTI 10. MELLBERG
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON 4. AIMAR 5. CLAUDIO LOPEZ 6. MAKAAY 7. GAMARRA 8. BABBEL 9. ZIEGE 10. NAYBET
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS 4. CARVALHO 5. VDS 6. ZE ROBERTO 7. EDMILSON 8. MCMANAMAN 9. CAPDEVILA 10. LAURSEN
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER 4. SCHOLL 5. JEREMIES 6. TOLDO 7. KLOSE 8. GIULY 9. PESSOTTO 10. TORRICELLI
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL 4. LJUNGBERG 5. ANDY COLE 6. YORKE 7. CORDOBA 8. FERRER 9. OKOCHA 10. FRIEDEL
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA 5. INZAGHI 6. MARCHENA 7. VAN BRONCKHORST 8. SALIHAMIDZIC 9. SOLARI 10. FERREIRA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN 5. HAMANN 6. ABIDAL 7. WILTORD 8. LAUREN 9. DI NATALE 10. MATERAZZI
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON 5. RAFAEL MARQUEZ 6. SENNA 7. SALGADO 8. HARRY KEWELL 9. KALADZE 10. ELBER
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI 5. CAMORANESI 6. EMERSON 7. SIMIC 8. IULIANO 9. SERGI 10. ARCE
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER 5. HYYPIA 6. VALERON 7. SAGNOL 8. LARSSON 9. RECOBA 10. RECBER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC 5. W.SAMUEL 6. HELGUERA 7. HASSELBAINK 8. REIZIGER 9. SORIN 10. CUDICINI
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT, 5. KUFFOUR, 6. KLUIVERT, 7. HEINZE, 8. FRINGS, 9. DIDA, 10. P. NEVILLE

 

[Gio]

Candela's a good pick. It's just a pity he had such fierce competition for the national team when they had full-backs of the calibre of Lizarazu, Thuram and Sagnol.

 

[Cold_Boy]

Frey born in 1980 mate!

 

[kps88]

Nothing gets past us antohan!

 

[antohan]

fecking hell, are you kidding me?

 

[antohan]

feck it, I'll have Barthez then. He was actually a superb keeper, I just prefer my keepers taller that's all and I know it will be a view shared by other caf members.

That said, it was quite remarkable, as I looked at all the other French options, that he kept them all out for a decade, won everything there was to win at club and international level...

And the only reason I wasn't picking him was... 1. Short, 2. Do I want him and Brown together?

In all fairness, he is in an entirely different bracket to anything that there is left.

Marseille
UEFA Champions League: 1993
UEFA Cup Runner-up: 2004

Monaco
Ligue 1: 1997, 2000
French Champions Trophy: 1997

Manchester United
Premier League : 2000–01, 2002–03

International
FIFA World Cup: 1998
UEFA European Championship: 2000
FIFA Confederations Cup: 2003

Individual
Yashin Award: 1998
Ligue 1 Goalkeeper of the Year: 1998
IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper: 2000
European Footballer of the Year Best Goalkeeper: 1998, 2000
Most-capped France goalkeeper: 87
Most World Cup clean sheets: 10 (with Peter Shilton)

 

[Gio]

I'd say Ziege was at his peak then as well, no? Not far off. He was at Milan, in the German side and had been for a few years, with plenty of experience. Definitely wouldn't say it's a year that was handicapping him.

If anything, I'd say Makaay wasn't quite into his stride yet. The rest (if not all) fit very nicely.

Agreed.

 

[antohan]

Candela's a good pick. It's just a pity he had such fierce competition for the national team when they had full-backs of the calibre of Lizarazu, Thuram and Sagnol.

And I expect to play a lot like Roma did in his days, with 3 at the back and wingbacks so he was a no brainer really.

 

[Cal?]

feck it, I'll have Barthez then. He was actually a superb keeper, I just prefer my keepers taller that's all and I know it will be a view shared by other caf members.

That said, it was quite remarkable, as I looked at all the other French options, that he kept them all out for a decade, won everything there was to win...

And the only reason I wasn't picking him was 1. Short, 2. Do I want him and Brown together?

In all fairness, he is in a different bracket to anything that there is left.

Oi, I was going to pick Barthez.

 

[Ralaks]

Kinda hoped Barthez would make it till it was my turn next time, considering he has won everything he is a great pick at this stage

 

[Zen]

Yep terrific keeper at his best....one of the two I was talking about.