40s Retro Football Fantasy Draft | Finished

harms said:
I love you! And he is the perfect pick for you, no doubt, much better than Cruyff with Rivera here
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I thought Muller was the better pick than Cruyff for you as well. Although I thought there were better fits than either of them for your side.
 
Theon said:
I thought Muller was the better pick than Cruyff for you as well. Although I thought there were better fits than either of them for your side.
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Depends on what you want. My ideal team from the start definitely included Cruyff and I'm going that way, in a long-shot he's my best pick here.
 
A big press-conference is scheduled in this thread after the CL games. #suspence
 
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harms: Good evening! I'm excited to welcome our newest signing, European Player of the Century (by IFFHS poll) and three times Ballon D'Or winner, Johan Cruyff! I'm sure that you all have questions for him but first I would love for him to say a few words himself.

JC: There were many speculations about my next destination after Skizzo's team lost on penalties. I was especially devastated because of that missed penalty of mine, but there were no struggle for me where to go next - I'm happy to join my pals Ruud, Gerrie and Horst.

Journalist: Harry Nitpicker, The Daily Gardener. Speaking about the elephant in the room here - there are not only your pals in that team, in fact you have your, dare I say it, protagonist on the same team. What's up with that? Won't it upset team's chemistry?

JC: I'm glad you asked. I always felt that our feud with Jan was a little overplayed by the press. We were both young and ambitious and sometimes you start off on the wrong foot. I said multiple times that I'm a big fan of van Beveren and you can quote me on that.

harms: In fact, someone already did in this article.

JC: Yes, I stated there that van Beveren is a unique goalkeeper and certainly one of the best Dutch keepers of all time. I also remember how we reunited in 1999 and had a good talk despite our past conflicts.

harms: What's your take on that, Jan? I'm sorry that you are not in the spotlight for this

JvB: For me, team always goes first. That was my issue with Cruyff - in his early days he was too egoistical. But he is a different person, still a very strong personality, but more mature. I'm sorry that we couldn't have addressed our issues earlier, maybe it would've gone another way in 1974 and we would've been World Champions now. I also want to thank our manager who was able to sit in the room with us until we discussed all of our issues - and how I wish it was done sooner...

harms: Thanks you for the kind words, Jan. The press-conference is over.
 
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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia 6. Boninsegna 7. Furino 8. Prati 9. Stepney 10. Lawler 11. F. Cruz 12. Sala 13. 14.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes 6. Lorimer 7. Muntyan 8. Smith 9. Cooper 10. Pivarnik 11. Clemence 12. England 13. 14.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo 6. Weber 7. Bonev 8. Bransch 9. Carpegiani 10. Viktor 11. Rildo 12. Fazekas 13. Van Hanegem 14.
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli 6. Rocha 7. Ancheta 8. Mazurkiewicz 9. Asparuhov 10. Shalamanov 11. Anczok 12. Meroni 13. Moore 14.
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira 6. Martin Peters 7. Bosquier 8. Yakimov 9. De Sisti 10. Anquilletti 11. Rudakov 12. Valdes 13. C. Alberto 14.
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg 6. Lennox 7. Dzodzuashvili 8. G. Mühren 9. Bedin 10. Kaplychnyi 11. van Beveren 12. Penev 13. Cruyff 14.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański 6. Piazza 7. Bo Larsson 8. Lovchev 9. Fazlagic 10. Julio Meléndez Calderón 11. Leao 12. Sotil 13. Muller 14.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha 6. Greig 7. Byshovets 8. Sieloff 9. Reaney 10. Kapellmann 11. Nigbur 12. Madeley 13. Beckenbauer 14.
 
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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia 6. Boninsegna 7. Furino 8. Prati 9. Stepney 10. Lawler 11. F. Cruz 12. Sala 13. 14.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes 6. Lorimer 7. Muntyan 8. Smith 9. Cooper 10. Pivarnik 11. Clemence 12. England 13. Jansen 14.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo 6. Weber 7. Bonev 8. Bransch 9. Carpegiani 10. Viktor 11. Rildo 12. Fazekas 13. Van Hanegem 14.
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli 6. Rocha 7. Ancheta 8. Mazurkiewicz 9. Asparuhov 10. Shalamanov 11. Anczok 12. Meroni 13. Moore 14.
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira 6. Martin Peters 7. Bosquier 8. Yakimov 9. De Sisti 10. Anquilletti 11. Rudakov 12. Valdes 13. C. Alberto 14.
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg 6. Lennox 7. Dzodzuashvili 8. G. Mühren 9. Bedin 10. Kaplychnyi 11. van Beveren 12. Penev 13. Cruyff 14.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański 6. Piazza 7. Bo Larsson 8. Lovchev 9. Fazlagic 10. Julio Meléndez Calderón 11. Leao 12. Sotil 13. Muller 14.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha 6. Greig 7. Byshovets 8. Sieloff 9. Reaney 10. Kapellmann 11. Nigbur 12. Madeley 13. Beckenbauer 14.
 
Those two could have gone abit earlier.
 
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia 6. Boninsegna 7. Furino 8. Prati 9. Stepney 10. Lawler 11. F. Cruz 12. Sala 13. Rivelino 14. Vogts
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes 6. Lorimer 7. Muntyan 8. Smith 9. Cooper 10. Pivarnik 11. Clemence 12. England 13. Jansen 14. Marzolini
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo 6. Weber 7. Bonev 8. Bransch 9. Carpegiani 10. Viktor 11. Rildo 12. Fazekas 13. Van Hanegem 14.
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli 6. Rocha 7. Ancheta 8. Mazurkiewicz 9. Asparuhov 10. Shalamanov 11. Anczok 12. Meroni 13. Moore 14.
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira 6. Martin Peters 7. Bosquier 8. Yakimov 9. De Sisti 10. Anquilletti 11. Rudakov 12. Valdes 13. C. Alberto 14.
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg 6. Lennox 7. Dzodzuashvili 8. G. Mühren 9. Bedin 10. Kaplychnyi 11. van Beveren 12. Penev 13. Cruyff 14.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański 6. Piazza 7. Bo Larsson 8. Lovchev 9. Fazlagic 10. Julio Meléndez Calderón 11. Leao 12. Sotil 13. Muller 14.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha 6. Greig 7. Byshovets 8. Sieloff 9. Reaney 10. Kapellmann 11. Nigbur 12. Madeley 13. Beckenbauer 14.
 
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia 6. Boninsegna 7. Furino 8. Prati 9. Stepney 10. Lawler 11. F. Cruz 12. Sala 13. Rivelino 14. Vogts
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes 6. Lorimer 7. Muntyan 8. Smith 9. Cooper 10. Pivarnik 11. Clemence 12. England 13. Jansen 14. Marzolini
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo 6. Weber 7. Bonev 8. Bransch 9. Carpegiani 10. Viktor 11. Rildo 12. Fazekas 13. Van Hanegem 14. Jairzinho
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli 6. Rocha 7. Ancheta 8. Mazurkiewicz 9. Asparuhov 10. Shalamanov 11. Anczok 12. Meroni 13. Moore 14.
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira 6. Martin Peters 7. Bosquier 8. Yakimov 9. De Sisti 10. Anquilletti 11. Rudakov 12. Valdes 13. C. Alberto 14.
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg 6. Lennox 7. Dzodzuashvili 8. G. Mühren 9. Bedin 10. Kaplychnyi 11. van Beveren 12. Penev 13. Cruyff 14.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański 6. Piazza 7. Bo Larsson 8. Lovchev 9. Fazlagic 10. Julio Meléndez Calderón 11. Leao 12. Sotil 13. Muller 14.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha 6. Greig 7. Byshovets 8. Sieloff 9. Reaney 10. Kapellmann 11. Nigbur 12. Madeley 13. Beckenbauer 14.
 
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Pele said:
One player who sticks in my mind is the little red haired winger Jimmy Johnstone. He had such skill and was the kind of player I always enjoy watching
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Gordon Strachan said:
Growing up I had two real heroes, George Best and Jimmy Johnstone. One week I'd say Jimmy was the best and the next I'd say it was George
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Gemmel said:
At his peak George Best was a better all-round player than Jimmy Johnstone, but for individual skill Jinky was streets ahead. Bestie was like the great Alfredo Di Stefano, similar in the way he could see things happening, but for pure ability there was no one like wee Jimmy, at his greatest he was unstoppable. I'm glad I only had to face him in training games. However, I count myself fortunate to have seen both in action when they were at the top. They were both incredible
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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia 6. Boninsegna 7. Furino 8. Prati 9. Stepney 10. Lawler 11. F. Cruz 12. Sala 13. Rivelino 14. Vogts
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes 6. Lorimer 7. Muntyan 8. Smith 9. Cooper 10. Pivarnik 11. Clemence 12. England 13. Jansen 14. Marzolini
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo 6. Weber 7. Bonev 8. Bransch 9. Carpegiani 10. Viktor 11. Rildo 12. Fazekas 13. Van Hanegem 14. Jairzinho
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli 6. Rocha 7. Ancheta 8. Mazurkiewicz 9. Asparuhov 10. Shalamanov 11. Anczok 12. Meroni 13. Moore 14. Gerson
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira 6. Martin Peters 7. Bosquier 8. Yakimov 9. De Sisti 10. Anquilletti 11. Rudakov 12. Valdes 13. C. Alberto 14. Keizer
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg 6. Lennox 7. Dzodzuashvili 8. G. Mühren 9. Bedin 10. Kaplychnyi 11. van Beveren 12. Penev 13. Cruyff 14. Johnstone
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański 6. Piazza 7. Bo Larsson 8. Lovchev 9. Fazlagic 10. Julio Meléndez Calderón 11. Leao 12. Sotil 13. Muller 14.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha 6. Greig 7. Byshovets 8. Sieloff 9. Reaney 10. Kapellmann 11. Nigbur 12. Madeley 13. Beckenbauer 14.

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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia 6. Boninsegna 7. Furino 8. Prati 9. Stepney 10. Lawler 11. F. Cruz 12. Sala 13. Rivelino 14. Vogts
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes 6. Lorimer 7. Muntyan 8. Smith 9. Cooper 10. Pivarnik 11. Clemence 12. England 13. Jansen 14. Marzolini
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo 6. Weber 7. Bonev 8. Bransch 9. Carpegiani 10. Viktor 11. Rildo 12. Fazekas 13. Van Hanegem 14. Jairzinho
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli 6. Rocha 7. Ancheta 8. Mazurkiewicz 9. Asparuhov 10. Shalamanov 11. Anczok 12. Meroni 13. Moore 14. Gerson
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira 6. Martin Peters 7. Bosquier 8. Yakimov 9. De Sisti 10. Anquilletti 11. Rudakov 12. Valdes 13. C. Alberto 14. Keizer
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg 6. Lennox 7. Dzodzuashvili 8. G. Mühren 9. Bedin 10. Kaplychnyi 11. van Beveren 12. Penev 13. Cruyff 14. Johnstone
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański 6. Piazza 7. Bo Larsson 8. Lovchev 9. Fazlagic 10. Julio Meléndez Calderón 11. Leao 12. Sotil 13. Muller 14.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha 6. Greig 7. Byshovets 8. Sieloff 9. Reaney 10. Kapellmann 11. Nigbur 12. Madeley 13. Beckenbauer 14. Schwarzenbeck
 
Half decent combo, no doubt.

Thing is that - in my opinion, at least - Schwarzenbeck isn't someone you go for as a reinforcement other than in that specific scenario, i.e. when you already have Beckenbauer. He's a side kick. Excellent side kick for a certain man, not so much if you don't have that certain man in place already. *

* I stress that this is in the reinforcement/final worthy context, not meant as a slight on Schwarzenbeck, I just don't rate him all that highly in his own right, outside of the combo, if you will. Obviously a very good and reliable defender, but there are plenty of those about.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Half decent combo, no doubt.

Thing is that - in my opinion, at least - Schwarzenbeck isn't someone you go for as a reinforcement other than in that specific scenario, i.e. when you already have Beckenbauer. He's a side kick. Excellent side kick for a certain man, not so much if you don't have that certain man in place already. *

* I stress that this is in the reinforcement/final worthy context, not meant as a slight on Schwarzenbeck, I just don't rate him all that highly in his own right, outside of the combo, if you will. Obviously a very good and reliable defender, but there are plenty of those about.
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I knew I would face question marks about picking him for 'just reuniting him' with der Kaiser, but didn't expect that from you. Now I wouldn't want anyone ahead of Beckenbauer, either as an individual or for my team, which has a particular style. Now that that's out of the way, who can ideally partner him? Just have a peek at the defenders picked around him and you would have an idea...

Chumpitaz - Libero and not the ideal physical partner for Beckenbauer
Olsen - Same as above
Moore - Same as above but not as forward oriented as a libero, still not the complementary partner
Figueroa - I'd give you this one but then again, with der Kaiser you'd more or less want a purely covering defender and whilst Figueroa is complete enough to make it work, I'd be more comfortable with a more proven covering defender than Figueroa. I wouldn't mind him with a Scirea or a Moore but not too sold with him and Beckenbauer. Mind you, if he had been available it would have almost impossible to turn him down though.
Krol - Libero and not an ideal complement - seeing a trend now?
Shesterynov - Likewise

Only Rosato was picked on the same turn as him and I doubt anyone would have him above Schwarzenbeck, no slight on Rosato. If the likes of Kohler, Thuram, Bergomi etc were lying around then your statement would have been justified - to a certain extent at that too, the proven aspect of covering for the most adventurous libero of all time and constantly putting in excellent performances is quite the underrated and under appreciated art.

So obviously whilst his proven partnership with der Kaiser, winning 5 Bundesligas, 3 DFB Pokals, 3 European Cups, the feckin World Cup and Euro 1972, was quite the boon, Schwarzenbeck as an individual is amongst the best, if not the best stopper in this draft. So given most managers defensive choices (their liberos/defensive lynchpin), Schwarzenbeck is a final worthy centre-back with or without Beckenbauer, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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