I think they would probably see that as collateral damage. I personally don't think we'll lose anyone of huge importance long term. Even if we lost Garnacho, I think we'd get good money and long term be better off.
3-4-3 Aint it.
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Someone in the club hierarchy decided 3-4-3 was it!
That's why Ruben is here, he has to find which players in our employ right now, can function in the 343 and that is the whole purpose of what he is doing, right now.
Maybe in his prelim with Sir Jim he has been promised other players, but who and when? More likely he has been told sort those out who can play the way you want and sell the rest. For example it could even mean such as Martinez leaving, he is a very good Left CB in a back 4, but not in a back 3, he needs someone outside him.
These are the sort of risks of course, where good players in our current system (at least playing with a back 4) such as Martinez may need to go; we will get more for him than we paid, which would be something of a miracle at this club.
The worse risk of course is being drawn into a relegation 'dog-fight', but no one wants to hear that, its ridiculous, isn't? However if it was to occur, does anyone seriously think the current squad could win out in such a struggle?
However, lets be honest a few more results like Bournemouth and Wolves will start to give fans terrible nightmares, like we had in the 70's when reds fans woke up screaming..... " no, no, no... we are too good to go down"... "there are others worse than us..." etc. Then the nightmare became a reality!
It's more than likely if Ruben can't sort out a squad that can play effectively in 343, from the ones he has, Sir Jim will have to have another little chat with the manager. The problem may well be that with Ruben's approach appearing to be 'whatever happens the sun will still rise tomorrow', he seems to present himself like the eternal optimist.... if so, then yet another 'back me or sack' scenario begins to form at OT.
Meanwhile the ship is drifting with the tide!
That's why Ruben is here, he has to find which players in our employ right now, can function in the 343 and that is the whole purpose of what he is doing, right now.
Maybe in his prelim with Sir Jim he has been promised other players, but who and when? More likely he has been told sort those out who can play the way you want and sell the rest. For example it could even mean such as Martinez leaving, he is a very good Left CB in a back 4, but not in a back 3, he needs someone outside him.
These are the sort of risks of course, where good players in our current system (at least playing with a back 4) such as Martinez may need to go; we will get more for him than we paid, which would be something of a miracle at this club.
The worse risk of course is being drawn into a relegation 'dog-fight', but no one wants to hear that, its ridiculous, isn't? However if it was to occur, does anyone seriously think the current squad could win out in such a struggle?
However, lets be honest a few more results like Bournemouth and Wolves will start to give fans terrible nightmares, like we had in the 70's when reds fans woke up screaming..... " no, no, no... we are too good to go down"... "there are others worse than us..." etc. Then the nightmare became a reality!
It's more than likely if Ruben can't sort out a squad that can play effectively in 343, from the ones he has, Sir Jim will have to have another little chat with the manager. The problem may well be that with Ruben's approach appearing to be 'whatever happens the sun will still rise tomorrow', he seems to present himself like the eternal optimist.... if so, then yet another 'back me or sack' scenario begins to form at OT.
Meanwhile the ship is drifting with the tide!
Ruben Amorim right now needs results and needs to play the team like what it is a bottom 6 club trying to nick a result against Newcastle and Liverpool. One point will be near impossible from those two games with how we are playing. But right now the team needs to start wining and scoring goals. I’d change the team for Newcastle to something like this;
Tom Heaton(GK)
L Martinez(LCB)
H Maguire(CB)
MDL (RCB)
Amad(RWB)
Casemiro(DM)
T Collyer(CM)
N Mazraoui (LWB)
A Garnaucho (L10)
R Hojlund (9)
C Eriksen (R10)
Bruno, Ugarte are out, Rashford probably won’t be in the Squad and Kobbie struggling massively right now. Newcastle will dominate the ball with their midfield and they have far more in attack than us right now.
Tom Heaton(GK)
L Martinez(LCB)
H Maguire(CB)
MDL (RCB)
Amad(RWB)
Casemiro(DM)
T Collyer(CM)
N Mazraoui (LWB)
A Garnaucho (L10)
R Hojlund (9)
C Eriksen (R10)
Bruno, Ugarte are out, Rashford probably won’t be in the Squad and Kobbie struggling massively right now. Newcastle will dominate the ball with their midfield and they have far more in attack than us right now.
lost me at Heaton
Would a 343 be better than a 3421 in terms of attacking threat. I don't really know the advantages/disadvantages of either formation other than the obvious
Considering how much talk there was around Amorim's tactics before he joined us, the whole evolution he made in Sporting - somehow 99% people of this forum didn't read nor listen any of them. He is very tactically flexible and his whole tactic relies on the players he has to choose from. Our lot is so terrible and none of his variations work yet. So it takes time and patience to teach them and see who we can add to the squad for roles that can't be found within current squad.
That depends if his 3-4-3 is with wide forwards, or floating number 10s and whether the middle CB will step into midfield to cover one of the double pivot midfielder in possession, if he pushes forward.
That all relies on specific player profiles and their ability at our level.
That depends if his 3-4-3 is with wide forwards, or floating number 10s and whether the middle CB will step into midfield to cover one of the double pivot midfielder in possession, if he pushes forward.
That all relies on specific player profiles and their ability at our level.
Yep and it's not like Dalot has even been great defensively on the left. He offers very little going forward, and provides no real outlet.
Perhaps so but I see another expensive retooling of this squad in the near future. Let's hope the club can afford it.
Not sure if this has been discussed but I dont think Zirkzee has been tried in one of the positions behind Hojlund. He might be better there than up top. Need to find a position for him as he’s not getting sold this early on.
He has, only that it was Rashford who was playing up top then. And he was ok, but we dominated so hard, so everyone was ok.
I thought Rashford was the CF only in one game and that was against Ipswich. We didn’t dominate that game at all
Yeah it would be interesting if someone like Athletico Madrid came in with a £50m bid for Martinez in the summer. He’s definitely not in the unsellable pile but we also have 3 other CBs running out of contract so would create even more upheaval of the squad.Someone in the club hierarchy decided 3-4-3 was it!
That's why Ruben is here, he has to find which players in our employ right now, can function in the 343 and that is the whole purpose of what he is doing, right now.
Maybe in his prelim with Sir Jim he has been promised other players, but who and when? More likely he has been told sort those out who can play the way you want and sell the rest. For example it could even mean such as Martinez leaving, he is a very good Left CB in a back 4, but not in a back 3, he needs someone outside him.
These are the sort of risks of course, where good players in our current system (at least playing with a back 4) such as Martinez may need to go; we will get more for him than we paid, which would be something of a miracle at this club.
The worse risk of course is being drawn into a relegation 'dog-fight', but no one wants to hear that, its ridiculous, isn't? However if it was to occur, does anyone seriously think the current squad could win out in such a struggle?
However, lets be honest a few more results like Bournemouth and Wolves will start to give fans terrible nightmares, like we had in the 70's when reds fans woke up screaming..... " no, no, no... we are too good to go down"... "there are others worse than us..." etc. Then the nightmare became a reality!
It's more than likely if Ruben can't sort out a squad that can play effectively in 343, from the ones he has, Sir Jim will have to have another little chat with the manager. The problem may well be that with Ruben's approach appearing to be 'whatever happens the sun will still rise tomorrow', he seems to present himself like the eternal optimist.... if so, then yet another 'back me or sack' scenario begins to form at OT.
Meanwhile the ship is drifting with the tide!
Might be foolish of me, but I think with vivell, berrada, Wilcox and the fact Ineos want do all this with minimal spend as possible, we should be able to unearth some bargains and the rest won't be on mega money, if we do need to sell.