Could be but bizarre to vote for someone who actively hates you and would love for your entire race/religion to cease to exist.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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No need for this.
I picked those two people because Epstein was worse than Weinstein.
Trump will be absolutely terrible for palestinians, no doubt. But what indications did Harris give she was going to be any different from biden, who was absolutely terrible as well?
Yes this is what I am saying but not very well it seems.
No, I just wasn't sure if you were using left and libs as separate categories or not. Like, this is what the left is doing to liberals, vs this is what certain leftists/liberals are doing to others.
The massive advantage that Democrats should have with this demographic when Trump is the nominee was squandered by their support for Israel's carnage. This makes more voters think that the Democrats also actively hate them and so the calculations change.
Will he? Maybe but last time he had the job things weren't as volatile as they are now. A bit like Ukraine and Russia. It may be pure coincidence and the escalation that happened after he left office would have happened if he had won in 2020 of course but what we do know is things did escalate significantly in the Middle East and Ukraine and the US government at the time has not dealt with either situation well at all.
I saw the other day that Zelensky has said the Ukrainian Russia war will end sooner under Trump for example. Why can't it be the same with Israel and Palestine?
Dems would get a permanent majority if they are just willing to fund free colleges. Bernie Sanders literally GOATed electoral strategist.
Either extremely incompetent.. or thieves ..
They're just making Trump look good at this point... how the feck do you blow through a billion dollars?
Biden also blew through a billion dollars 4 years ago.
And this is discounting the Congressional races, there’s been an explosion of money in politics since Citizen Utd.
You're assuming Trump reports all the money spent. By funneling expenditures through his own books or by funneling it through non profits it's money that doesn't need to be reported. I seems very plausible Trump was able to outspent Harris through those means. It's not like anyone's gonna hold him to account for not reporting things they should anyway.
MSNBC audience is essentially the DC policy circuit at this point. Probably the best thing Harris did in terms of campaigning was give them the cold shoulder.
WOW 
Love that they have a extra column for "Orange"WOW
I know it's orange county but still.
Which is exactly how Biden has portrayed himself over the last year with Kamala in tow.
Biden defends Israel to the hilt: as they put sniper bullets in the brains of Arab children.
- When Israel is bombing the Gaza health infrastructure to bits.
- When Israel is endlessly slaughtering Arab women and children
- When Israel is angaged in a mass starvation campaign against the children of Gaza
The Biden and Kamala team has demonstrated non stop hate for the Palestinians and a continued support for their extermination.
In reality neither party had any desire to help these desperate people, but if we are simply going by the metric of hate and desire for them to cease to exist, judged on actions and intent, Trump is clearly the lesser evil.
The Biden administration also continued the policy of recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, a policy move started by Trump in 2019.
Pete is on another level
Nearly fell asleep. If Dems run this guy in 2028 they are asking to lose.
You find an intelligent person with very good communication skills boring ? Interesting.
He’s probably one of the few Dems who is definitely on the shortlist to run, alongside Newsom and Shapiro.
I definitely find Mayo Pete boring, yes. And the broader point is that a former McKinsey, Washington elite, technocrat with little to no charisma would be a really stupid nomination. But I do think it's something the Democrats just might do.
We’re dealing with a party that think Michelle Obama and Harris are viable candidates, so the bar isn’t exactly at the Barack Obama level. Still, there is something for be said for great communicators who are capable of taking the message across party lines, which at this moment, only Pete, Gavin, and Shapiro have the skills for.
Find him the only watchable ‘comedian politician’ nowadays. And the only non-partisan one.
Can't remember the last time I found maher funny.
The laughter during his monologues seems incredibly forced now. He's just a smug prick.
If Democrats want to ever have a chance of holding the Senate again and win the Presidency in 4 years, there needs to be a real reckoning against the non-profit industrial complex (ACLU, Justice Dems, Sunrise Movement etc.) that bully them into holding positions wildly unpopular with working class voters. It’s not just succumbing to these groups but actively pushing back on them whenever they push radical positions that only cater to the elite educated crowd.
They would be better served fighting the profit industrial complex.
Democrats have tried that rhetoric (“the corporations are responsible for price gouging, we’ll tax unrealized capital gains”), and they can keep trying and it’ll fail. If they cannot reduce losses on culture wars and unpopular positions on social issues, that won’t really help them win elections.
They might have a real chance next time if they could run a campaign on increased fracking, the most deportations in American history, the end of asylum, a more funded and armed border force, and the most lethal military in the world, with support from tough, national-security-minded, nation-above-party Republicans, all helmed by a tough former prosecutor.
That’s complete nonsense. Trying to claim that the working class isn’t left wing is very silly.
Why did Biden win in 2020? The Dems were just as woke then, no?
They’re not remotely left on social issues. Trump won majority of voters among the working class and many of them agreed that deporting illegal immigrants was a top priority for them (which is not left wing).
The trouble with Dems is they are fractured among three groups, each competing for greater power to the detriment of the other.
First you have progressives, who are mainly Sanders refugeees primarily concerned the old Sanders platform and more recently with anti-Israel protests.
Second are the intersectional identity politics crowd who are obsessed with race and gender.
Third you have traditional establishment Dems who agree with most of the Dem platform.
There is some degree of overlap between the three, but it’s nothing like the Rs where you have a galvanized party that is solidly behind one person (masquerading as a movement).
Until the Dems get into a galvanized posture they are going into keep struggling against Trump and whoever assumes his mantle in 28.
Biden promised a return to normalcy, which in some ways he did but his administration exceeded its mandate and tried to go left wing in many proposals with insane amounts of spending leading to inflation, allowing abuse of the asylum system and easing up on immigration (they tried to pivot close to the election but voters saw through the farce) and focus on DEI/equity across administrative agencies. If they moderated their stances on spending, immigration and social issues they may have had better luck.
I sense sarcasm but I actually believe there’s a hint of truth there. They may lose suburban voters but I do agree that they can win it back if they pursued some of those positions (like Bill Clinton did). I highly doubt they will because there’s too many special interest groups who’ll make sure that’ll never happen. Nearly every single blue state moved to the right this election, Democrats need a reality check if they think going further left will help them.
If the Democrats move further right they will lose. You can’t win by trying to be Republican lite.