It was by points, but very comfortable. In boxing terms, she won like 9 rounds out of 12, and knocked down Trump. The only KO win I remember is Trump vs Biden, and that was mostly Biden repeatedly hitting himself while Trump was staying in his corner watching.
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Indeed. Seems like Dems strategy was simple: Bait Trump on saying crazy stuff. And he didn't feel to disappoint.
He is an angry baby. If there is a second debate, Harris should play it similar, just bait him repeatedly and watch him doing damage to himself.
.........Not sure I'd be taking zingers from the Germans on energy policy to be honest.
Why? I love the fact that the state helped me to install solar panels on my roof. My energy costs are nearly nonexistent and I get clean energy. Seems pretty cool to me. The more than 50% renewables in our energy mix are pretty cool, too.
She did, she looked bad in the economy part, but I’d say from Trump saying that Dems kill babies onwards it was a demolition.
Kaitlin Collins is not happy tonight.
The flip side? He couldn’t make progress on his weaker topics, such as abortion and healthcare.
I don’t agree that she looked bad on the economy. She was solid and raised reasonable points. Essentially, she was able to respond well throughout the debate to questions about her weaker topics. There was no moment throughout the night where I felt that Trump got her or cornered her.
The flip side? He couldn’t make progress on his weaker topics, such as abortion and healthcare.
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He's so pathetically insecure and easy to bait it really brings it home what a terrible job Biden did when he had his chance to do the same.
I would say one of her biggest wins here overall is she demonstrated like a real time how very easy to manipulate he is. And its something that can reach even the most unsophisticated voter. When you say world leaders can make him agree or do anything. Which many Dems have tried to tell voters since 2016. She literally came out with a game plan to SHOW IT. Live.
Poke his most vulnerable narcissist tendencies and not subtly either. They were so obvious, but she and her team knew he could be baited. I think the strategy was brilliant. And if he were not graded on a curve there is no way you can say that wasn't a knock out. Who else could go on a debate stage yell absolute nonsense about immigrants eating pets and survive that?
And her eye contact and body language looking him dead in the face
Poke his most vulnerable narcissist tendencies and not subtly either. They were so obvious, but she and her team knew he could be baited. I think the strategy was brilliant. And if he were not graded on a curve there is no way you can say that wasn't a knock out. Who else could go on a debate stage yell absolute nonsense about immigrants eating pets and survive that?
And her eye contact and body language looking him dead in the face
So Trump’s characters witnesses are Orban & Abdul of the Talliban, interesting choices.
I'll hold my hands up and say maybe I was wrong about Harris. When Biden stepped down I thought she was an empty suit and wouldn't stand a chance against Trump. She's not a transformative politician, but she's a good candidate. She's compassionate, she's smart and she has the ability to appeal to the everyone other than MAGA males. It might also be she's the perfect candidate to take out Trump: against his insecure, cold, inhumanity and dishonest bluster she comes across as warm, sincere and credible.
Im not sure all. Is she really as influential as the news networks that are prominent in many states? If a Swiftie happens to pick up their news from Fox, because their parents watched it growing up, are they really going to have a different world view because she/he happens to love T Swift?
Normally celebrities wouldn't have much influence at all, but Taylor Swift is essentially the world's sweetheart, by her encouraging her fans to vote might be enough to tip the balance in some swing states, especially in her home state of PA
I think Trump basically forgot every question after that, his pride was hurt and it became his sole focus.
How the UK press are reportimg it. Must be one of the first times ever that the DM is more balanced than most.
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We are all football fans and we know that if you are blaming the refs then usually you know you didn't do enough to win.
CNN Fact Checked both candidates and it was something like 35 falsehoods from Trump and 1 from Harris. Now, if Trump had not been continuously lying, then there would be no need to fact check him. I think they hosts were actually quite soft on him because they let him rant on without answering the majority of the questions he was asked, as well as giving him more mic time than Harris.
And it was Trump that brought up the pets, not ABC. Quite hilarious that he picked up on this nonsense, was probably told not to mention it because it was proven to be BS by all credible news networks yesterday, but he couldn't help himself. And when fact checked live, his response was "well, i saw it on TV". It just tell you all you need to know - a Presidential candidate bringing to the debate things he "saw on TV".
Im sure the like of Cruz, Jim Jordan, Vance and Musk who propagated this crap feel pretty stupid because their nonsense has been regurgitated by Trump in front of 60mil+ people, only to be made to look like your crazy uncle. Another self own, just like creating AI pics of Taylor Swift.
The first thing Harris did was move to shake his hand, it took Trump offguard, he wasn't expecting that and by his facial expression he really didn't want to shake her hand, that set the tone for the rest of the night and he couldn't handle it
Listening to TRIP podcast, and one of the American hosts on it used to work for him, and apparently if you specifically tell him not to do something he will just go out of his way to do it. This could be an example of that.
Some have said this before, but, his uniqueness was his model of aggregating polls without stupid punditry.
2 famous examples:
In the 2016 primaries, he ignored the polls and added all sorts of funny weighing factors because he couldn't believe Trump was actually up. His model kept insisting that Marco Rubio or Cruz or Jeb Bush was going to win, until it was way too obvious Trump has destroyed them all.
In 2022, not just did he include a lot of junk Republican polls (like Patriot Polling, run by 2 high school students in Wisconsin or something), he fudged the model because he couldn't believe the Republicans weren't going to win the senate.
I had to find this clip, it's so insane
Even his most die-hard supporters can't believe this.
To be fair, he tried but his brain and body weren't up to the demands of a live debate.
For sure. I have heard one of the Generals, maybe Mark Milley, say the same thing recently. He is a 78 year old child.
Biden did pretty well in the debates in 2020, but as you say, very different Biden now. Trump has even less self control now and is far let coherent. He was rambling from one topic to the next - a skill which he likes to call "The Weave"....
As a pet owner I cannot in good faith support Kamala Harris who is paying immigrants to consume cats and dogs of Ohio.
After they had enough dogs.
I had to find this clip, it's so insane
Even his most die-hard supporters can't believe this.
She should have replied "Are you alright, Donald? Do you need a doctor?"
He said Harris "wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison"!
Jesus, that changes everything. You’re our only hope Donald.
The amount of insane shit that comes out of trump’s mouth is genuinely incredible.
It’s like Alan partridge and the Norfolk farmers scene. But it’s real life.
I can’t get my head around it.
It’s like Alan partridge and the Norfolk farmers scene. But it’s real life.
I can’t get my head around it.
Gotta say I'm here for the Alf references. Damn illegal aliens eating our cats...
It's really cute that he thinks he won the debate.
It's really cute that he thinks he won the debate.
When you think about it, what is actually his complaint here? To them, transgender operations are very bad, and illegals aliens are very bad people. So Harris wants to do bad things to bad people. Is his complaint mostly from a financial point of view, meaning that it is dumb she wants to spend money on it?
No, it won't make party insiders insist Trump step down, a la Biden. Biden's feck up was far more consequential. But the narrative shifted last night. No one who watched that can pretend Trump was anything other than a hateful, ignorant, rambling, bigoted, angry old man. The contrast between him and Harris was night and day.
Because it was a trap of sorts. Trump and the forced-birthers want the conversation to be about when life starts (conception or birth). If Harris responded to that, as you suggested, Trump would have some response along the lines of "it's the same thing, murdering a baby is murdering a baby, just a couple weeks earlier". Harris did well to ignore the inflammatory nonsense and stick to her own attack plan, which worked beautifully.
Pop star endorsements largely don't matter except for one brief news cycle. Taylor Swift, however, is the most beloved person on the entire planet. Her fans are online and motivated. Swift has been in the public eye for more than half her life, and her fans have aged along with her, many are now bringing their own daughters to her shows. The kids who turn 18 today and 17 years more of them, equal Taylor's age of 35. She has put a link to register to vote, and she has been unequivocal in who she supports (without hammering the point). So Swift's endorsement could theoretically inspire a wave of young voters who skew Democratic, and in battleground states, it will only take a few thousand new voters to win.
In a cultural sense, Trump was stoked when there was an AI-generated image of "Swifties for Trump", and he's apparently obsessed with her. This was a kick in the balls for him. The most popular person on the planet just gave a roaring endorsement of his opponent. In the words of Bruce Campbell,, "THAT'S GOTTA HURT!"
Oh wow that is awesome!
Illegal aliens take American jobs, if not murder true blood Americans.
Transgender people's existence is against the true blood Christian American values and is a woke democratic threat to America.
Transgender Illegal Aliens... OMG!!!! Double kill.
The Democrats want to turn everyone transgender and then we're not gonna have a country anymore.
Yup.
You know the reason he keeps talking about Hanibal Lecter?
He thinks asylum seekers come from mental asylums.
Concerning.
The Democrats plan to build an army of transgender illegal aliens, to storm the Capitol with. And when they succeed, they're coming for your genitals.
Shhhh! Not yet, dude! Don't let the cat out of the carry-out bag!