So that means those particular groups are actively pro-genocide, while others passively support it, got it!
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So that means those particular groups are actively pro-genocide, while others passively support it, got it!
Or option 3 - none of them consider it as such and simply support Israel's right to respond to 10.7 . Not exactly surprising given that most Americans still remember the experience of 9/11
Something like 54-55 would make sense to me, it ensures that there is some level of cooperaton and that something might actually get done in the Senate
Not really. Discounting personal reasons, it is in Europe's best interest that the US is well functioning as well as being a reliable ally. That's not going to be the case with the current iteration of the Republican Party.
If this was directed at me, I think a vote for either major side in the US is an affirmative vote for the slaughter to continue.
Their response has the characteristics of a genocide, as has been reported on by the American free press. Continuing to support this slaughter, and, according to you, not seeing it as at least ethnic cleansing, if not more, does suggest a deep-rooted racism (as I indicated in my first post.)
Your framing seems to be off. I think most in the public view the conflict as an intergenerational dispute over land that has killed a lot of people over the generations, this most recent episode being a particularly violent one. The American interest in Israel has been discussed ad nauseum in various Israel threads, so no need to rehash it through a deep dive in the elections thread.
So, they see it as an intergenerational land dispute, and are happy to arm, provide full diplomatic support, and pass censorship laws, in favour of the side doing the ethnic cleansing and 95% of the killing. And had been since the first UN vote itself. This framing and that reality don't exactly line up.
E- another potential reason I missed is settler solidarity?
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With the benefit of total hindsight, I wonder how many Americans are happy with the cause of action the US took after 9/11, and whether they are able to identify that Israel is making some of the same mistakes.
Afghanistan - completely necessary given that Bin Ladin and the Taliban who facilitated his campaign by hosting him needed to be confronted. Iraq is largely viewed as unnecessary and was a direct result of the Dubya administration and wouldn't have happend had Al Gore won the election (hanging chads et al).
Do you believe you'll be actually in physical danger if trump wins the election?
Polymarket - Donald & Melania Trump seen together in August?
This almost went in the Hypernormalisation thread. Get in on the action!
27% though
This almost went in the Hypernormalisation thread. Get in on the action!
27% though
Can you bet on this shit from the UK?Polymarket - Donald & Melania Trump seen together in August?
This almost went in the Hypernormalisation thread. Get in on the action!
27% though
Need to diversify my losses.
That's not really a very good "gotcha". Since you are so active in this thread, I presume you have enough knowledge about US issues to know how damaging a new Trump term would be domestically right? Those reasons ALONE are good enough to will on the Dems - despite any of their flaws.
As for my personal security I'll humor you. I think it is unlikely I'll be in any danger, but keep in mind that Norway share a border with Russia. I don't think it is likely that Putin will want a bite of Northern Norway, but who the hell knows these days? It's an unstable world, and it will be even more unstable with another Trump presidency. It might not happen, but there is every chance that Trump could pull out of NATO, or at the very least refuse to come to Europe's aid unless his terms are fulfilled. He said the following:
Not to mention the potential financial ramifications of a new Trump term - that will affect us too.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/15/what-a-trump-presidency-could-mean-for-europes-economy.html
There is every reason for me AND you to go all in on hoping that Harris wins. There's no excuse really.
I actually think the event was a win for Trump. He got his message out, largely uninterrupted, to a very large group of people. Suspect Musk will do more of these at some point.
Will he gain any new votes from it?
Didn't listen to it live, just a bunch of clips after. Doesn't appear to me that his performance was engaging to those indies who are still on the fence.
Exactly. Yes he got airtime on the platform. But, was any of that nonsense effective to the voters it needed to be is the real question. Same old same to his base is not going to halt current Harris/Waltz momentum.
It was more like eavesdropping on a phone call between two famous people. Trump's general demeanor was pretty mild and conversational, which was light years away from his usual combative self during MSM interviews. His problem in recent weeks has been that Harris has stolen the spotlight and doesn't want to relinquish it, so events like this will help him to a degree because they give him unfettered access to non-traditional audiences.
Any idea what caused the slurring? No Adderall coursing through the veins or simply dentures coming loose (he sounded like my grandmother after too many sherries)?
I would imagine that not a lot of "neutrals" would tune in to something like that. These days I'm fairly certain that there is a significant overlap between Trump fans and Musk fans - and those are mainly those who would tune in I'd think.
Probably a selective social media aberration. Beyond the usual nonsense he talks, he sounded pretty normal.
Nope not directed at you
Some less encouraging news for Dems
Its sad how the rustbelt states are rather safe blue otherwise, but can't quit this orange joke, for some reason.
The underlying message is that the rust belt may actually not be safe for Dems given how Trump has historically outperformed in them. More people turned out for Trump on election day than what the polling going into the final months has previously revealed, which is why the gleeful celebrations that Harris is going to win may be a bit premature at this point.
Harris' campaign is transforming big crowds into volunteers on the ground in key swing states
This goes to the importance of the current strategy to prioritize these rallies in order to get the ground campaigns setup and volunteers. As well as keep the enthusiasm and momentum. I also saw the campaign is targeting the million or so overseas Battleground state voters as well.
They are rather safe, whenever the orange clown isn't on the ballot, which speaks quite poorly of these states, they somehow lose their minds when he is on the ballot.
Oh right. I see what you mean. Also, throw in the fact that OH has gone much redder since Trump showed up. There must be something about his schtick that connects in the rust belt.
This honestly sounds more like a Trump impression that the real deal. The best impressions typically dial up the stupid a little, and this is right up there.
Now, personally, i believe that the polls will not overestimate Trump by much, if anything, this election, just a personal opinion, but the "energy" doesn't seem to be there.
But whatever "hold" Trump hold over these traditional blue states is indeed rather strange, and i hope its gone, when he is gone.
These are good. More of this. No complacency. Trump will get turnout (though I maintain it will never be as high as 2020 in absolute terms) and the Dems need to win. No one should be celebratinga thing, other than the Dems now having a chance.
The fact that Trump is this abhorrent a candidate and STILL basically favourite tells you all you need to know about Americans and their media consumption imo.
Its hard to say how many of them will turn up. But if past performance is an indicator, the result is likely to be that a lot more Trump voters show up on election day than main street polling would lead us to believe. The fact that he has already won an election with just 62m popular votes then gotten 74m in the next one, should be a massive red flag for Harris. She will probably need an unprecedented level of turn out to win this time.
Have you considered that millions of these people are now dead, by covid, or other health oriented issues? I don't see who he replaced them with.
Not ruling out he can win through the EC again, but i don't see any way he is getting close to 74m votes again, 2020 was the top.
If Harris gets high turnout, she wins.
These numbers are still astonishing to me. Like 12m additional people thought, “Yes, more of that please”.
Is there any good analysis of which groups he gained with from 16 to 20?
I don't think the pandemic will factor into this since both sides were affected. If anything, the residual economic impact of inflation and the cost of living will benefit the guy who is manipulating the public's grievances for his own political gain. Harris is going to need turnout comparable to Biden's in 2020 to win, or else hang her hat on Trump having an unusually low turnout, which would be both risky and irresponsible.
Significantly more MAGA, etc. citizens died from Covid versus their political counterparts.