I would like to see Kelly as the VP pick. Formal Navy pilot and astronaut who could speak about the military and the boarder is a win/win.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Its based on his approval - disapproval ratings, which have remained quite high on the disapproval side. Biden was also quite unpopular for different reasons.
Yeah, but those ratings are ridiculous, especially since he might still become president, which is the end game here. So, in many ways, they mean nothing.
The only way he would be come President despite them is if his opponent has similar ratings. That's part of the logic of the Dems swapping candidates. At least she has a higher ceiling that she can achieve by activating new voters, where as Trump and Biden will always be stuck where they are.
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My point is that he might actually be more popular than many here think, as all these polls show that a significant number of Americans want him going forward despite all the good and bad things that both him and Biden did. This is concerning for many of us, of course. But whether we like it or not, he is definitely not the most unpopular, and it will be a significant uphill battle for the Democrats, no matter who competes against him.
That term gets overused in the same way conservatives think the Dems and Soros are communists. But otherwise, yes it’s what I predict. Trump will inherit a shitshow of an economy and I doubt that gets resolved.
You could say the same about polls, what people say they will do and what they actually do are 2 completely different things
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I understand that, but what I'm saying is that the idea that he's more popular than some may think isn't born out in any of the numbers. He was comparably unpopular in 2020 and lost by over 7 million popular votes. The only thing that made it appear close was the nature of the electoral college. So either way you slide or dice it, Trump is far more unpopular across the entire nation than he is popular.
It's more that other Republicans can't replicate him. Trump seems a natural at entertaining his base and he's good in front of the camera's.
DeSantis was awkward and weak. Same for JD Vance who is not doing too well in front of many camera's.
There's only one poll that was done after Biden pulled out and she seems to be -2 nationally against Trump. I'm sure we will see a slew of new polls released in the coming days that will tell us more.
I mean, four years ago Trump lost and was trying to subvert democracy to stay in power. Part of the reason it failed is because people who were in a position to do something about it, many of them Republicans, weren't going to let it happen. Many of those have been replaced already by their local parties, and it's not going to get any better if Trump wins. He also has the Supreme Court under his thumb. So it's not exactly the same as calling the Democrats communists.
Grey, balding, but this is a good (unopposed) media appearance. Not gonna pretend I know the first thing about the bloke.
Kamala needs to be organising rallies and public appearances as soon and plentifully as possible. I think she's decent on the stump, but struggles in more intimate settings.
It's not the same. In polls, not many people will say they are voting for the other candidate, whereas in those approve-disapprove ratings, many will eventually vote for their own candidate.
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Yes, but I think with quite a few of our fellow Caf contributors, this does not seem to register.
It is self evident that authoritarianism is much more a feature of the American right than the left at this point.
But that was in 2020. We are talking about 2024, where he currently seems to be winning the popular vote at this point, which bucks the usual trend for a GOP candidate and supports my point. Of course, most of us hope that Harris can chip it away but it is getting really close to the election day and becoming a bit uncomfortable.
He may or may not win the popular vote. The numbers of the present are largely an emergent property of chaos on the Dem side that are built around the idea that Biden is too old. They may be quite different by the time we get to November after 3-4 months of Harris campaigning.
Many of us hope so. At this point, I don't care if he wins the popular vote, as long as Harris can win the Electoral College.
"For months now" fails to take into consideration that he's not running against Biden anymore. Harris polled better in a matchup with Trump than Biden did, and Biden's chances were still within the margin of error.
Can't wait to see if he blinks "Help, this is a coup" in morse code.
That doesn’t describe fascism and the supreme court isn’t under his thumb. If anything, it just shows that the system did its job and took the trash out. I’ve also had people tell me that Florida is under fascism because it’s DeSantis as governor. It really is an overused term.
I am sure Lauren Boebert will have some nutty conspiracy theory post about his blinking after it airs.
Maybe it's overused, but there's no doubt MAGA has a lot of fascist traits. The system working is also not necessarily an argument against a movement having fascistic tendencies. It just means the system isn't fascist, which it obviously isn't.
Their goal (or at least Trumps goal) is fascism. He even wanted to "suspend the Constitution" when the courts didn't give him what they want.
Not under his thumb? They literally just ruled that a President (and we know that this only refers to MAGA presidents) have almost complete immunity from criminal prosecution.
Going against precedent that the SC itself had established (unanimously) in United States v. Nixon, in 1974.
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They are no longer relevant.
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It means "shit cnut" when applied to Trump, California Dictionary, 1st Edition.
Pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
The stock market is at record highs, which is not the only metric but it seems to be the metric Republicans talk about the most. The economy is a shit show with record profits for Republicans. Taking the Covid shutdown out of the equation, Biden's economy added jobs at a faster/higher rate than Trump's. Employment is up 10% from where it was when Biden was sworn in. Manufacturing jobs have increased 6.5% under Biden. You can read more yourself here: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/mar/04/Biden-Trump-economy-who-did-better/.
Trump is a textbook example of fascism. Subverting an election to keep someone in power is an example of opposition to parliamentary democracy; decrying his opponents as "communist Marxists" is an example of opposition to Marxism, literally; decrying the "woke" culture and DEI initiatives is an example of opposition to cultural liberalism; seeking to override the safeguards of democracy in order to keep one man in office while dominating institutions like the Supreme Court, Dept. of Justice, etc., is an example of totalitarian ambitions, and so on and so forth. Demanding obedience to authority? Check. Calling for incarceration/ execution of enemies? Check. The theory of the unitary executive / leadership principle? Check. Deployment of violence? Check.
Perception of the economy is that it is not in a good shape, which is more important than statistics for economy when it comes to people voting. There has been a massive decrease in the spending power (the cost of living) and people are struggling. But, we actually are creating more jobs won't cut it, I am afraid. Yes, it is all over the world, but people won't care.
Is Biden the only one to be blamed for this? Of course not. It has been a problem of various administrations, of all of them since I am alive. Trump fecked up the response to covid, the public debt also increased under him, etc etc, but the perception is that the economy was stronger back then than it is right now. And even more importantly, people who are struggling tend to blame the current administration.
For what is worth, I think that the economy would be better under a Harris administration than under a Trump one. Historically, since Reagan, the Democrat administrations did better for the economy than Republican ones. But the current perception is that the economy is not well, and Harris has been part of this administration.
That's because they see things as black or white with no shades of grey, or because they've got theseYes, but I think with quite a few of our fellow Caf contributors, this does not seem to register.
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