2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

ManUtd1999 said:
Cooper never showed any interest in the job. People barely know his name, with all due respect. Some will go “Roy Who”? No, thanks.
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I do think Shapiro would be the best option for her (assuming she is the nominee). Nevermind that he's the governor of PA, he comes across quite well.
 
Raoul said:
I do think Shapiro would be the best option for her (assuming she is the nominee). Nevermind that he's the governor of PA, he comes across quite well.
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Yes, he does. I thought that he handle the terrible situation in Butler well. I’m okay with him as VP either with Whitmer (my hope) or with Harris.

Personally, I would be ecstatic if Whitmer is on top of our ticket. I was rooting for her to be VP 4 years ago. Her time has come.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
Yes, he does. I thought that he handle the terrible situation in Butler well. I’m okay with him as VP either with Whitmer (my hope) or with Harris.

Personally, I would ecstatic if Whitmer is on top of our ticket. I was rooting for her to be VP 4 years ago. Her time has come.
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Whitmer-Shapiro would be my dream ticket too. Likely wins Michigan and Penn, all you need is the nearby Wisconsin and you have the presidency.

Furthermore, historically governors are the most suited for the presidency. Have two strong governors who have made those two swing states uncompetitive in their race, who are at a good age, and who most importantly are competent and likeable.
 
Revan said:
Whitmer-Shapiro would be my dream ticket too. Likely wins Michigan and Penn, all you need is the nearby Wisconsin and you have the presidency.

Furthermore, historically governors are the most suited for the presidency. Have two strong governors who have made those two swing states uncompetitive in their race, who are at a good age, and who most importantly are competent and likeable.
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I couldn’t put it any better.

But allow me to say this: they check all the boxes/don’t have big negatives.
 
calodo2003 said:
But the biggest negative box is still unchecked - no one knows who they are.
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That’s not true. Whitmer is well known, and was mentioned quite a bit in 2020. I also think that Shapiro is known enough. They are definitely know in the states that will decide the outcome of the election.
 
Mark Kelly, Andy Bashear, Roy Cooper, and Josh Shapiro are the names being floated on CNN now based on sources.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
That’s not true. Whitmer is well known, and was mentioned quite a bit in 2020. I also think that Shapiro is known enough. They are definitely know in the states that will decide the outcome of the election.
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S/he's 'well known' to dorks like us, but not in the general public. It's the voting apathy that concerns me with either one of them.
 
calodo2003 said:
But the biggest negative box is still unchecked - no one knows who they are.
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Most blue states would vote a donkey as long as they have a D near the name (same as how most red countries would vote a donkey with an R next to their names).

The states in play are Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Probably Minnesota, Virginia, New Hampshire and Maine, but less likely now that Biden is out.

With that ticket Michigan and Pennsylvania go blue. Then you only need the nearby Wisconsin. It is fine losing Nevada, Arizona and Georgia as long as you win the other three.
 
Revan said:
Most blue states would vote a donkey as long as they have a D near the name (same as how most red countries would vote a donkey with an R next to their names).

The states in play are Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Probably Minnesota, Virginia, New Hampshire and Maine, but less likely now that Biden is out.

With that ticket Michigan and Pennsylvania go blue. Then you only need the nearby Wisconsin. It is fine losing Nevada, Arizona and Georgia as long as you win the other three.
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Not talking about bases, talking about independents. 'Apathy' is the best catch phrase I could muster.
 
calodo2003 said:
Not talking about bases, talking about independents. 'Apathy' is the best catch phrase I could muster.
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So, Vance will excite independents more than Shapiro or Whitmer? The latter has been around longer than Vance. If you’re very excited about Vance, then you’re probably not an independent voter to begin with (and thus not reachable any way).

Pennsylvania knows Shapiro well. This is the biggest swing state in the country. Michigan is the second biggest swing state (together with GA). You win these as a Democrat, and you can smell victory.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
So, Vance will excite independents more than Shapiro or Whitmer? The latter has been around longer than Vance.

Pennsylvania knows Shapiro well.
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No, exactly the opposite. Vance & MAGA's Venn Diagram is rather circular.

Apologies if I was clear in my previous post.
 
Suedesi said:
Catch up me here. Why is the statement from the Office of Barack and Michelle Obama? Is it normal for ex-POTUS to include their spouse in their public statements? Genuine question
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No, but I think it was a conscious decision for both parties to have an equal say in Obama's post presidential politics.

Spouses implicitly had a role to play in the ex President's office. Laura Bush can be contacted through George W's office for example, which I think is the more traditional labelling of things.
 
calodo2003 said:
Trad MAGA views, some to the wacko side, like abortion / women's healthcare, election denials, LGBTQ issues, & tariffs, etc., basic MAGA shit.
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If someone votes the Republican ticket, they are voting for Trump. JD complements the ticket well if you're aligned with that ideology.
 
Shane88 said:
Astonishing? 8 years is an eternity, even more so for an elderly person.

Is there any more debates to go? I don't know much about Harris but she's young (relatively) and seems like she'd be well able for Trump's bluster.
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Where does this idea of Harris being a good debater come from? She roasted Kavanaugh while having a prepared script, but in the Democrat primaries, she was awful. Tulsi Gabbard, of all people, destroyed her on scene.

I do not think she would do well in a debate against Trump, and she would have been annihilated against Vance. You can only say 'unburdened' as many times as you want, but that doesn't make her a good debater.
 
Revan said:
Where does this idea of Harris being a good debater come from? She roasted Kavanaugh while having a prepared script, but in the Democrat primaries, she was awful. Tulsi Gabbard, of all people, destroyed her on scene.

I do not think she would do well in a debate against Trump, and she would have been annihilated against Vance. You can only say 'unburdened' as many times as you want, but that doesn't make her a good debater.
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What was she like vs Pence last time out?
 
Suedesi said:
If someone votes the Republican ticket, they are voting for Trump. JD complements the ticket well if you're aligned with that ideology.
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Except for Vance doesn't actually believe half the things he himself says. He was a never Trumper as recently as 5 years ago and only switched to the dark side when he figured out it would be advantageous to his political career. He is therefore a total charlatan.
 
Raoul said:
Except for Vance doesn't actually believe half the things he himself says. He was a never Trumper as recently as 5 years ago and only switched to the dark side when he figured out it would be advantageous to his political career. He is therefore a total charlatan.
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Oh, that's fore sure. Like Vivek, he would say whatever he thinks would give him an advantage, not what he truly believes.
 
Raoul said:
Except for Vance doesn't actually believe half the things he himself says. He was a never Trumper as recently as 5 years ago and only switched to the dark side when he figured out it would be advantageous to his political career. He is therefore a total charlatan.
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Oh, I know that, and you know that, but the majority of voters won't.
 
Revan said:
Oh, that's fore sure. Like Vivek, he would say whatever he thinks would give him an advantage, not what he truly believes.
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Vance and Vivek are apparently pals from Ohio. I'm sure both of them collectively figured out they could advance their careers by going all in on MAGA. They're both total charlatans, just like "progressive" MAGA lovin' Tulsi Gabbard.
 
Raoul said:
Vance and Vivek are apparently pals from Ohio. I'm sure both of them collectively figured out they could advance their careers by going all in on MAGA. They're both total charlatans, just like "progressive" MAGA lovin' Tulsi Gabbard.
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They're both Yale Law grads (same year actually). Yale Law is pretty small, and you end up knowing everyone
 
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