2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Newsom would accept it at first notice imo, seems like the type of guy, he has sort of been advocating for himself all year.
One could argue for 28, but then, no guarantee he is as relevant then.
It's going to be Whitmer or Shapiro.
Some things never change
Dems should troll GOP by having an old, mentally ill man on top of the ticket.
Dems no longer have that problem.
Dems no longer have that problem.
Are his legal troubles causing him any real issues though? And given what happened last week, his reaction and how it's been perceived in America, is trying to make him out to be incapable going to convince those who aren't already convinced one way or the other?
There's millions who are undecided right now. Americans start paying attention to the election beginning around Labor Day.
From 2019
At least it’s fun watching a coordinated propaganda / meltdown from the GOP.
Biden won't live four more years. He'll be an afterthought this time next year. He'll disappear when he leaves the WH
Maybe, but what if a small percentage of swing voters don’t want to vote for her because of gender and heritage?
Regardless, I will 100% vote for her if she’s the nominee, but I don’t want her to be the nominee for a wide range of reasons. Replacing Biden by his VP is just one of them. I also don’t want Pete either.
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Yeah I’m not a fan of hers either. It’s rather frustrating that the dems can rarely put a presidential candidate up that I actually somewhat believe in. In my lifetime it’s only been Obama 1.0 and he quickly became a huge disappointment too.
Would the independents and undecideds be swayed enough to vote a two-woman ticket? I still get the notion half the nation prefer a man at the top, or at least as the number two.
What an moment though. Trump campaign gained some crazy momentum lately but now the Dems can reshape the narrative.
I agree, I usually don't put much onus on the state aspect but I think the Dems having someone from that area is pretty necessary this time round. Also don't think an all-female ticket would be an obstacle.
Three things went wrong for Trump this week: picking J.D. Vance wasn’t a good idea, the speech (it seems) wasn’t well received, and now Biden dropping.
The past 8 days have been among the craziest in American politics that I can recall.
That's a definite black mark on Whitmer.
Maybe the Nixon debacle in the days leading up to his resignation might have a shout as the craziest, but I agree with you, this takes the cake.
It actually was. 200m from Musk and who knows how much from Thiel and other paypal mafia means that Trump will have a financial advantage these elections. I find it very hard to believe that this was not part of a deal.
Furthermore, policy-wise, Vance is completely aligned with Trump which IMO is a bonus. I never found appealing getting the VP someone who is very different to the P, that just sounds so counter-intuitive.
I do not think Whitmer will be in the ticket. Together with Newsom, she is the favorite for the next Democrat leader and thus for 2028 (un;ess Harris wins the election).
Harris is not doing very well in the polls, and her approval rate is bad. Trump is a big favorite against her. I do not expect Newsom or Whitmer joining that ticket.
Shapiro might be ok. Buttigieg too.
AOC has been pretty vocal in backing Biden and saying he shouldn't step down
They should put Tenacious D on the Dem ticket.
No mention yet, but probably soon tbh.
They backed Biden as the nominee pretty hard, in exchange for him pushing some stuff they like.
Buttegieg, for as much as I like him, doesn't have a potential needed swing state to deliver.
His been unleashed since 2016
I see this argument, but Vance won’t bring enough swing voters to Trump. That’s more important than the money from Musk or being aligned with Trump.
Sadly I also don’t think America is ready to elect a woman of colour and a gay man to POTUS/VPOTUS.
Sadly no.
Its also a misnomer that VPs get selected to "carry a state" for the ticket. Ultimately, candidates choose their VP because they're comfortable with them.
I can't imagine Buttigieg would be in the conversation at all this cycle.
The candidate needs to win Michigan, Wisconsin, & Pennsylvania, not necessarily Arizona. To me, it's one of Whitmer & Shapiro.
So now that Joe is gone will the media start calling for Trump to drop out because he mentally isn’t all there too?
As the VP, endorsed by the primary winner and President, it's Harris' to lose. She starts at the top of the field, and anyone is welcome to take a shot, in my opinion. The convension is in a month - plenty of time to put together a platform and bring it to those who will decide.
That said, being negative about Harris at a time when the other side is basically a party of evangelicals and incels seems pretty f*cking stupid. Also have no idea where folks are getting stuff against her intelligence - she was the DA of California ffs, as well as senator before the VP nod. She has a compelling background story, is a proven success in multiple areas of both legal and legislation and certainly should be taken seriously as a candidate.
She's very unlikely to be anyone's number one candidate, but she should be more than capable of beating Donald f*cking Trump.
The Dems now turn this into an election of:
- Avoiding a convicted felon, rapist, morally bankrupt mentally decaying demagogue who is only out for himself
- Avoiding a Christo-facist, anti-democratic attempt to take away rights from half hte population
- Avoiding a weaponised supreme court who clearly are less interested in the law than their own bitterness
- Avoiding implenting a sweeping anti-democractic scheme that would replace the actual doers of the American government with cronies and sycophants
This shouldn't be a close election. At all.
That said, being negative about Harris at a time when the other side is basically a party of evangelicals and incels seems pretty f*cking stupid. Also have no idea where folks are getting stuff against her intelligence - she was the DA of California ffs, as well as senator before the VP nod. She has a compelling background story, is a proven success in multiple areas of both legal and legislation and certainly should be taken seriously as a candidate.
She's very unlikely to be anyone's number one candidate, but she should be more than capable of beating Donald f*cking Trump.
The Dems now turn this into an election of:
- Avoiding a convicted felon, rapist, morally bankrupt mentally decaying demagogue who is only out for himself
- Avoiding a Christo-facist, anti-democratic attempt to take away rights from half hte population
- Avoiding a weaponised supreme court who clearly are less interested in the law than their own bitterness
- Avoiding implenting a sweeping anti-democractic scheme that would replace the actual doers of the American government with cronies and sycophants
This shouldn't be a close election. At all.