2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

KirkDuyt said:
How is the entire US press saying anything other than: WHAT THE FECK IS WRONG WITH US?

How does an entire nation just go along with this. Humans are such a remarkably idiotic herdlike species. Get these 2 morons off the fecking world stage you lunatics.
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Because they're not journalists; they're simply stenographers or parrots repeating talking points* they've been handed out. Biden's cognitive decline didn't just happen at the debate—the press has had close access to him for years, yet they keep pushing the lie that he's sharp and in control. Anyone who questioned his age or mental acuity was labeled a Putin agent. The gaslighting is next-level.

* Notice the uniform chorus of "Biden is sharp as a tack." It's so obviously a scripted talking point. Ask 100 people about Ten Hag, and you'll get 100 different opinions. Ask 100 MSM 'journalists' about Biden pre June 27th, and you'd get 100 identical responses: "sharp as a tack."


 
711 said:
If Harris came out and said she wouldn't be prepared to serve as vice for another term under Biden, but would be prepared to stand for presidential candidacy if he stepped down, would that be the straw that could tip him over? How wonderful he'd been etc but now was the time etc?

It would make her look strong and decisive as well. Not that she is, but it would be good for her chances.
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That would be catastrophic for her chances imo. She’s a woman so it would be painted as underhand and disloyal.
 
711 said:
If Harris came out and said she wouldn't be prepared to serve as vice for another term under Biden, but would be prepared to stand for presidential candidacy if he stepped down, would that be the straw that could tip him over? How wonderful he'd been etc but now was the time etc?

It would make her look strong and decisive as well. Not that she is, but it would be good for her chances.
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It wouldn't help him, but he could just as easily choose another running mate before the convention. On the other hand, if she jumps off, it would probably result in a fair number of other Dem congress members jumping off. At the end of the day, they are in the business of staying in office, and if Biden's candidacy is perceived as a drag, then that could break the dam.
 
Suedesi said:
Because they're not journalists; they're simply stenographers or parrots repeating talking points* they've been handed out. Biden's cognitive decline didn't just happen at the debate—the press has had close access to him for years, yet they keep pushing the lie that he's sharp and in control. Anyone who questioned his age or mental acuity was labeled a Putin agent. The gaslighting is next-level.

* Notice the uniform chorus of "Biden is sharp as a tack." It's so obviously a scripted talking point. Ask 100 people about Ten Hag, and you'll get 100 different opinions. Ask 100 MSM 'journalists' about Biden pre June 27th, and you'd get 100 identical responses: "sharp as a tack."


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It's not just Biden though? Similarly, how the feck did anyone in the entire US take Trump as a serious presidential candidate when he first ran?
 
Raoul said:
The strategy is clearly - Biden is the nominee. If by some odd chance Biden drops out, then Harris is the nominee. They care less about winning than obeying the hierarchy of who is next.
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They must think Biden running has a higher chance of winning than a totally new entrant at this point. Why else wouldn't they try with Newsom or Andy Bashear or Whitmer this cycle,?
 
Suedesi said:
They must think Biden running has a higher chance of winning than a totally new entrant at this point. Why else wouldn't they try with Newsom or Andy Bashear or Whitmer this cycle,?
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Ultimately, the party is still run by the President and his acolytes, alongside an agreeable faction or two (ie Clyburn et al). If Newsom or anyone else wanted to get it, they would have to fundraise from scratch with virtually no time remaining. Don't forget, early voting in some states starts as early as late Sep, therefore, its highly improbable that anyone other than Biden or Harris would be able to fundraise, install a ground game in swing states, and campaign sufficiently to win.
 
Pexbo said:
That would be catastrophic for her chances imo. She’s a woman so it would be painted as underhand and disloyal.
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It's true serious candidates for leadership are always keen to show how loyal they are, but I think she could get over that with the etc bits I put in, what a good president he'd been, but now it would be in his own interest and so on.

Can't go along with the woman comment sorry.
 
gfactor86 said:
As you can see, I dislike the woman. She does not give a feck about whether Trump get's in. As long as she gets another 4 months of power.
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It's just weird your obsession with her. She's his wife, it's not really surprising she supports him. It's the party fault for not doing the right thing and remove him.
 
maniak said:
It's just weird your obsession with her. She's his wife, it's not really surprising she supports him. It's the party fault for not doing the right thing and remove him.
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or her fault for telling him he's up to the job. She's 10 years younger than him, she can see his brain is mush but tells him to continue so she can cling longer to power.

it's abuse and needs calling out
 
KirkDuyt said:
It's not just Biden though? Similarly, how the feck did anyone in the entire US take Trump as a serious presidential candidate when he first ran?
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No one took him seriously; Jeb Bush was the anointed candidate, and everyone thought Trump was just a distraction.
 
gfactor86 said:
or her fault for telling him he's up to the job. She's 10 years younger than him, she can see his brain is mush but tells him to continue so she can cling longer to power.

it's abuse and needs calling out
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Do you do everything your wife tells you to? - assuming you have one
 
gfactor86 said:
or her fault for telling him he's up to the job. She's 10 years younger than him, she can see his brain is mush but tells him to continue so she can cling longer to power.

it's abuse and needs calling out
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Or maybe he is quite normal a vast majority of the time in private (something others have also reiterated) and she thinks she should support her husband in his political career, as most normal family members would do.
 
Raoul said:
Or maybe he is quite normal a vast majority of the time in private (something others have also reiterated) and she thinks she should support her husband in his political career, as most normal family members would do.
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Not buying that. You saw her after the debate. "We're so proud Joe, you answered all the questions!". Like he is some child.

A supportive wife would tell him that he had a good innings but is no longer fit for office and to retire gracefully.
 
Raoul said:
Ultimately, the party is still run by the President and his acolytes, alongside an agreeable faction or two (ie Clyburn et al). If Newsom or anyone else wanted to get it, they would have to fundraise from scratch with virtually no time remaining. Don't forget, early voting in some states starts as early as late Sep, therefore, its highly improbable that anyone other than Biden or Harris would be able to fundraise, install a ground game in swing states, and campaign sufficiently to win.
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Most of his acolytes are Obama guys; even Ron Klein, his then Chief of Staff, defected to Hillary's campaign in 2016 while Biden was Vice President and still running.

I don't think Biden can run anything, let alone the DNC. If Obama and Clinton (Bill not Hillary) want, they can effect change.
  1. Convince Biden Not to Run for Re-election: Obama and Bill Clinton can use their influence to persuade Biden to step aside for the sake of party unity and fresh leadership.
  2. Organize Mini-Conventions: Hold 2-3 mini-conventions with 5-6 candidates, including Kamala Harris, to ensure focused debates and clear choices for voters.
  3. Generate Media Attention and Enthusiasm: Use media coverage of these events to create public interest and energize the Democratic base.
  4. Identify a Moderate Challenger to Trump: Through the mini-conventions, select a moderate candidate who can unite the party and appeal to swing voters, presenting a strong alternative to Trump.
This should be done soon to allow time for ballot placement in all 50 states and effective fundraising.
 
gfactor86 said:
Not buying that. You saw her after the debate. "We're so proud Joe, you answered all the questions!". Like he is some child.

A supportive wife would tell him that he had a good innings but is no longer fit for office and to retire gracefully.
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She correctly knew he had a calamitous debate and was trying to cheer him up. Nothing wrong with a wife supporting her spouse on a bad night.
 
Suedesi said:
Most of his acolytes are Obama guys; even Ron Klein, his then Chief of Staff, defected to Hillary's campaign in 2016 while Biden was Vice President and still running.

I don't think Biden can run anything, let alone the DNC. If Obama and Clinton (Bill not Hillary) want, they can effect change.
  1. Convince Biden Not to Run for Re-election: Obama and Bill Clinton can use their influence to persuade Biden to step aside for the sake of party unity and fresh leadership.
  2. Organize Mini-Conventions: Hold 2-3 mini-conventions with 5-6 candidates, including Kamala Harris, to ensure focused debates and clear choices for voters.
  3. Generate Media Attention and Enthusiasm: Use media coverage of these events to create public interest and energize the Democratic base.
  4. Identify a Moderate Challenger to Trump: Through the mini-conventions, select a moderate candidate who can unite the party and appeal to swing voters, presenting a strong alternative to Trump.
This should be done soon to allow time for ballot placement in all 50 states and effective fundraising.
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Would be nice, but can't see it happening. Everyone is already circling the wagons around Harris if Biden drops out.
 
It will be Harris since legally she is the only who can use the cash with Biden Campaign. For any new candidate to generate it from scratch would require Hollywood going all out but even that might not be enough since Wall Street seems to be leaning towards Trump this cycle.
 
Raoul said:
She correctly knew he had a calamitous debate and was trying to cheer him up. Nothing wrong with a wife supporting her spouse on a bad night.
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You answered all the questions is pretty bad, though, comes across in the same vein as good boy, you ate all your peas.
 
Donors to Pro-Biden Super PAC Are Said to Withhold Roughly $90 Million
Some major Democratic donors have told the largest pro-Biden super PAC, Future Forward, that pledges worth roughly $90 million are now on hold if President Biden remains atop the ticket, according to two people who have been briefed on the conversations.

The decision to withhold such enormous sums of money is one of the most concrete examples of the fallout from President Biden’s poor debate performance at the end of June.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/us/politics/biden-donors-money.html
 
People saying why Newsom or Whitmer would not run/replace instead of Biden. Why would they at this point? Trump is most likely to make everyone tired of himself and GOP will go down with it in 4 years. That would be a good chance for them to swing the country back to Dem. In fact, they would probably prefer 2nd Trump term. How many times a party hold the white house for more than two term in a row?

Dems are stuck with Biden and Harris this time.
 
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The United said:
People saying why Newsom or Whitmer would not run/replace instead of Biden. Why would they? Trump is most likely to make everyone tired of himself and GOP will go down with it in 4 years. That would be a good chance for them to swing the country back to Dem. In fact, they would probably prefer 2nd Trump term. How many times a party hold the white house for more than two term in a row?

Dems are stuck with Biden and Harris this time.
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The Dems have been telling everyone that Trump is an existential threat to democracy. If they believed that, the candidate with the best winning chances should have no choice but to run now, whether it fit into their career plans or not. But then again, the Dems clearly don’t believe that, given that they’re sleepwalking into a certain defeat because too few of them have the courage to speak up.
 
Jev said:
The Dems have been telling everyone that Trump is an existential threat to democracy. If they believed that, the candidate with the best winning chances should have no choice but to run now, whether it fit into their career plans or not. But then again, the Dems clearly don’t believe that, given that they’re sleepwalking into a certain defeat because too few of them have the courage to speak up.
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I mean, they are politicians. What they say and what they think and what they act are totally different.

Both parties say shit like oh the other party is destroying country every two years.
 
The United said:
I mean, they are politicians. What they say and what they think and what they act are totally different.

Both parties say shit like oh the other party is destroying country every two years.
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Given what Trump has pledged to do, I don’t think it’s wrong to call him a threat to democracy. The problem is the Dems are undermining that narrative by sticking with a losing ticket out of fear or loyalty.
 
Good thing we already found the mastermind of Dem strategy and the main culprit of this whole fiasco: a 73 year old Community college teacher.
 
Jev said:
Given what Trump has pledged to do, I don’t think it’s wrong to call him a threat to democracy. The problem is the Dems are undermining that narrative by sticking with a losing ticket out of fear or loyalty.
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I am not talking about how bad Trump would be.

I am talking about the perspectives from those two. Well, possible perspectives.

Their judgment can't be this bad, especially, if they want to be the president. Why would you kill your political ambition in this situation? They would have been severely underprepared for the task at this point.

If this was 2023, it would have been totally different, of course.
 
The United said:
People saying why Newsom or Whitmer would not run/replace instead of Biden. Why would they at this point? Trump is most likely to make everyone tired of himself and GOP will go down with it in 4 years. That would be a good chance for them to swing the country back to Dem. In fact, they would probably prefer 2nd Trump term. How many times a party hold the white house for more than two term in a row?

Dems are stuck with Biden and Harris this time.
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I wouldn’t be so sure: „CNN spoke with more than a dozen members of Congress, operatives and multiple people in touch with both Obama and Pelosi, many of whom say that the end for Biden’s candidacy feels clear and at this point it’s just a matter of how it plays out, even after Thursday night’s news conference.“
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/obama-pelosi-biden-democrats-2024/index.html
 
jadajos said:
I wouldn’t be so sure: „CNN spoke with more than a dozen members of Congress, operatives and multiple people in touch with both Obama and Pelosi, many of whom say that the end for Biden’s candidacy feels clear and at this point it’s just a matter of how it plays out, even after Thursday night’s news conference.“
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/obama-pelosi-biden-democrats-2024/index.html
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I mean, that article doesn't say anything that we don't know.

Biden can always tell them to f off. Even if he is stepping down, it is most likely that Harris is stepping up.

And you can't force someone else to take the nomination and run the presidential election which is happening in four months.

Which goes back to my point of Dems being stuck with these two people.
 
jadajos said:
I wouldn’t be so sure: „CNN spoke with more than a dozen members of Congress, operatives and multiple people in touch with both Obama and Pelosi, many of whom say that the end for Biden’s candidacy feels clear and at this point it’s just a matter of how it plays out, even after Thursday night’s news conference.“
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/obama-pelosi-biden-democrats-2024/index.html
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It seems to be going on the wrong direction for Biden, although that process is being slowed down by recent polling.

 
Raoul said:
It seems to be going on the wrong direction for Biden, although. that process is being slowed down by more and more recent polling.

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Yeah, FiveThirtyEight are now having Biden as the slight favourite to win with 271 electoral votes. I wonder whether all this might actually end up working in his favour, with some voters taking pity on him and creating sort of an underdog narrative.
 
Pollsters want him to run so Trump trounces him
 
Jev said:
Yeah, FiveThirtyEight are now having Biden as the slight favourite to win with 271 electoral votes. I wonder whether all this might actually end up working in his favour, with some voters taking pity on him and creating sort of an underdog narrative.
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Are FiveThirtyEight without Nate Silver?
 
Jev said:
Yeah, FiveThirtyEight are now having Biden as the slight favourite to win with 271 electoral votes. I wonder whether all this might actually end up working in his favour, with some voters taking pity on him and creating sort of an underdog narrative.
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'Support your manage' shit.

I would love it though.
 
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