The west is doomed
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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Biden is like watching an animal freshly hit by a car, crawl off to it's death, but funny. Bring on the next debate, this is sport for me.
Some network insiders are saying the odds of a Sept debate is slim to none atm. They will whisk him away from the spotlight and hope Trump implodes on his own since it kinda worked in 2020, except, of course, the current landscape and scrutiny are completely different.
If Trump loses in November, it will be funniest thing to ever have happened. Through a combination of DNC incompetence and Biden's own arrogance and hubris, they have served Trump with the easiest layup of all time, but there is still a chance that the fumbles it, because people hate him so much. It would also be quite dangerous because his goons won't accept, but still funny. I don't think it will happen, but I really want to see it.
Biden's polling was consistently good in 2020, especially after May and Trump's covid handling becoming a scandal. And he did ok in the debates too.
Simply can't coast this time.
Yes, there was also lockdown as an excuse for limited public event, he wasn’t the president so there was no obligations for appearances/briefings, no Gaza etc…
Ds clearly hoped he got one good performance left in him and they can shut up shop then, hence this early debate, which is fecking bonkers given his current state and lack of debate prep after a nonexistent primary season.
I don't see the point of a debate before the conventions.
I don't disagree with this but my point is that some try to defend what Biden has become by saying well look at how Trump has deteriorated!
He hasn't deteriorated, he's always been a fecking terrifying buffoon. But he walks, talks and acts like he did in 2016. Biden.....does not.
This isn't at all to say people shouldn't vote for Biden regardless. But I'm referring to things like this:
Which...just makes no sense to me.
The gambling confused 20 seconds leading up to “we beat Medicare” is… really something.
The narrative right now is Biden’s age and coherence. And the performance yesterday reaffirms that narrative.
Early days but not good at all.
The narrative right now is Biden’s age and coherence. And the performance yesterday reaffirms that narrative.
Early days but not good at all.
The Medicare moment was...funny.
Sure, if you have a strong ideology then there is no reason to do anything but vote Biden. The issue is more with the people who are fuzzier on their ideology, do care about Biden's age (and general perception of competence), and have been saying so loudly and clearly for years now.
What a state that presidential election is
Trump a truly awful despicable human being
And Biden quite clearly not fit for purpose
where are the younger promising politicians in American Politics?? Why is it just these 2 numpties?
Trump a truly awful despicable human being
And Biden quite clearly not fit for purpose
where are the younger promising politicians in American Politics?? Why is it just these 2 numpties?
They will probably use Newsom as a shadow candidate and have him launch attacks against Trump and try to shift the narrative. I reckon we see a lot more of Newsom, regardless of what Biden decides to do.
What worries me is that they are going to need Biden appear in control of the presidency, and that means podium moments, especially with Newsom doing the campaign work - and even those he fecks up these days.
The big challenge for the campaign will be how do they make Biden seem like the leader - present, in control and smart - while Newsom and Harris (probably less so) run around doing the media work. It won't take long until the media push Newsom as an alternative.
Both candidates older than bill clinton
If bernie would not be as old...
Leets go crazy and all in with AOC, she will be 35 by november
Easy choice would be Whitmer, hence why she won't be picked, even if Biden somehow drops out.
buttigieg and andrew yang would have a better chance than biden
Only seen clips but feck me
Does polling support this claim?
Not going to happen, but I'd love to see Newsom or Whitmer step in. Buttigieg would be good as well.
It's not always about age, Bernie might be nearly as old but he's much much more active and doesn't look senile like Biden. But it's obvious the establishment would never approve of Bernie to be the candidate.
is my opinion. Can I have one?
Oh, Give me Bernie any day. right now. But being realistic, he would lose unfortunately...or who knows. But asking a 82 years guy to be elected and criticizing biden with the same age...a bit of an hypocrite on my site. His opportunity has past
Friedman calling for his “friend” to drop out - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/joe-biden-tom-friedman.html
Bernie would lose the election though, might have had a chance in 16, not anymore.
If not Bernie, is there any Democrat who would have a chance v Trump? Bernie could pull some of the pro-Palestine voters as well since he would have a better standing with them.
Of course you can.
This is sad. Also, too late for Biden to drop out and someone else to get the traction. The worst part is that no one likes Biden's VP either. The Democrats are toast.
his presidency would be from 83 to 87. As much propalestinian, AIPAC would rally whoever against him. democrats right winged (lots) might sit up. But to be honest, many normal democrats well publicized would have a decent chance against trump
One big problem about Biden dropping out would be that Trump would be the great victor and would say that democrats are lost (not wrong). So Trump might have this Biden or no Biden
It's just incredible how the US has found itself in this situation. Is it Biden refusing to stand aside or is he being pushed by the Dems to continue?
He'd be force retired in any normal job yet here we are president of the united states.
He'd be force retired in any normal job yet here we are president of the united states.
The Democrats have to do something quickly. They need a tall man in his 50s or 60s, with a full head of hair and a wife and family. There must be some of those in the senior ranks of the party. It's ridiculous, but that's the image people want to see.
Newsome, shirley ?
Wouldn't Newsome be a liability with the exwife full trump camp?
This aged badly. Remember 24 hours ago when I was derided on here as some "Far Right" lunatic for suggesting that Biden was not fit to lead a Country.
He beat Trump once, so they thought he is their best bet against him this time too. It's convention to go with a sitting president. Also, it's stupidity believing that he can continue despite ample evidence to the contrary.