I'm leaning towards Sinema not running, surely she must she the signs, as for Lake, she is obviously a terrible candidate for GOP in the general election.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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I'm leaning towards Sinema not running, surely she must she the signs, as for Lake, she is obviously a terrible candidate for GOP in the general election.
Lyndon B. Johnson says hi.
He ran in 1964 and won. Yes, the circumstances were different, but he did run as top of the ticket and as a sitting president.
And he declined to run in 1968 (unwillingly so).
So a sitting president can indeed abstain from running.
Sure. He ran as a sitting president and declined to run the second time. Fact is: he ran as a sitting president.
Also, other than him, who didn’t run as a sitting president: Let’s look at the last 100 years or so. Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Senior, Clinton, Bush Junior, Obama and Trump. Every single one of them ran for reelection. Why should Biden be an exception?
Trump ran when Covid was raging. Carter ran when inflation was double digits a and after the Iranian Revolution. Truman ran in 1948 when he was supposed to lose to Dewey (remember the infamous headline at the Chicago Tribune: Dewey Defeats Truman), etc. Sitting presidents run for reelection. It’s just how it goes and how it has been going for decades.
Yes, but sitting presidents tends not to be 80 years old, Reagan was already old and might even have devoloped alzheimer during last couple of years.
Biden is too old, we can all admit that, but that kind of goes out of the window, i think, when the opponent is almost as old, but is a raving lunatic to boot.
Its the choices the United States are left with, and i hope, they see that even a Biden that is dying in office, is better than the alternative.
You want Newsome as the candidate? Think he has a better chance to beat Trump?
I talked about Newsom a bit earlier, he is not who i think is the best candidate against Trump, no.
Might have a better chance against Trump than Biden, maybe not, not sure.
There’s not much more that I can say. Also, I don’t know who can beat Trump. Sorry, but if we follow the purity test, Trump will come back. He always benefits from these situations.
EDIT: if you can’t give us a name that has a much better chance, then why arguing about Biden being the nominee?!
For my own part, i think Trump has gone from being underestimated in the polls, to the opposite, much like most republicans.
Even if looking at the race right now, and looking at the polls, Biden is in a statistical tie in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which probably favors him and the democrats, so, he needs only to turn that trend in one of the other swing state, depending a bit on the electoral vote of that state, of course.
Corey Robin is political science at Brooklyn College and has written a great book(The Reactionary Mind)on conservatism.
One of the few to argue a very good argument that conservatism is at a weak point.
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In your estimation, what is the threat of another Trump term?
Bonkers this keeps being repeated. Biden hardcore supporters are reaching maga levels of cultism.
It is a two party democracy. So you are either with one or with the another.
Besides voting is a binary action. "You know what, I don't agree with 80% of the things that a party does, but I agree with the rest 20%, so my vote is theirs" means nothing. Because once you vote for a party, you are part of the collective for 100% of the things they do.
We've seen in this very thread.
And your continued refusal to acknowledge the reality of the situation is exasperating. This is not a fairy tale where the hero can rub a magic lamp and Michelle Obama is suddenly running for president. In November, bar one or both of the two old dudes kicking the bucket, we will have a binary choice. Pragmatically understanding that is not cultism, it’s acknowledging that the situation is not ideal and choosing the best option for the real world.
That's bs, I hate both and I wouldn't vote for either of them. How does that mean I'm ok with trump? It's such a lazy argument.
Read the words written. Not voting for biden makes someone ok with trump. That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
I am talking about people going to vote for either of these parties or the independents aligned with these parties. Not the people who are going to skip voting altogether.
As ill-informed as those trumpeting Michelle Obama to take the mantle.
Given the realities of the political system, it's an incredibly simple premise, as I and others have posited here. As an American voter, you have 3 options:
1. Vote for Trump
2. Vote for Biden
3. Don't vote / waste it on a third party / ruin ballot
1 and 3 will help Trump. It's not complicated. Doing either will help bring forth a second Trump term. Featuring an entire army of staff hand picked by christo-facists who have spent their lonely lives finding the cracks in the system, with a view to imposing their minority views on the country. Just go listen to the CPAC speakers, listen to Trump himself. They're telling you what not voting means. Listen to Stephen Miller.
As I said previously I hope you enjoy your purity prize as young women die suffering as dead fetuses decay them from the inside out. Or millions of children see their parents ripped from their houses by armed forces and sent to internment camps before being deported to countries they may never have even been to. Or watching as Russia storms through Ukraine and seeks Warsaw.
Because the wolf is at the door, it's not disguised and in my opinion you're a moron if you open it because the door isn't as nice as you'd like.
1. Vote for Trump
2. Vote for Biden
3. Don't vote / waste it on a third party / ruin ballot
1 and 3 will help Trump. It's not complicated. Doing either will help bring forth a second Trump term. Featuring an entire army of staff hand picked by christo-facists who have spent their lonely lives finding the cracks in the system, with a view to imposing their minority views on the country. Just go listen to the CPAC speakers, listen to Trump himself. They're telling you what not voting means. Listen to Stephen Miller.
As I said previously I hope you enjoy your purity prize as young women die suffering as dead fetuses decay them from the inside out. Or millions of children see their parents ripped from their houses by armed forces and sent to internment camps before being deported to countries they may never have even been to. Or watching as Russia storms through Ukraine and seeks Warsaw.
Because the wolf is at the door, it's not disguised and in my opinion you're a moron if you open it because the door isn't as nice as you'd like.
Would you agree or disagree with the following: "Voting for Biden if voting for the genocide of Palestinians."?
That's the present.
All true. It doesn't however absolve the Dems from actually selling their policies to the public by simply saying "vote Dem or else Trump will win", which we are still seeing in a lot of their messaging. If Biden simply runs on his policies, it will create a natural divergence between him and Trump to where the Dems don't need to spend all their time scaring the public about the prospects of a potential second Trump term.
If I believed the leading presidential candidate in my country was preparing to unleash a fascist nightmare upon winning the election, what I would do is move to another country. To me that is the degree of seriousness the matter would imply.
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May I ask :
If it’s ok for the biden team to threaten of the bleak outcomes in case people don’t vote for him
Then why is it not ok for people to counter that with a threat of the same bleak outcomes if he doesn’t stop arming a genocide
There is a clear win win here - stop arming the genocidal war criminals, hold them accountable, win back the trust and votes of people and stop everything trump stands for.
I don’t see why stopping Israel from committing war crimes is the hill he wants to die on. Surely doing so won’t lose him the election but not doing so clearly might
If it’s ok for the biden team to threaten of the bleak outcomes in case people don’t vote for him
Then why is it not ok for people to counter that with a threat of the same bleak outcomes if he doesn’t stop arming a genocide
There is a clear win win here - stop arming the genocidal war criminals, hold them accountable, win back the trust and votes of people and stop everything trump stands for.
I don’t see why stopping Israel from committing war crimes is the hill he wants to die on. Surely doing so won’t lose him the election but not doing so clearly might
Unfortunately, its a fallacy to suggest Biden can stop Netanyahu from doing anything. What he could do is speak more forcefully that the US doesn't support what Israeli is doing, but it wouldn't stop what is actually happening on the ground, nor would it help Biden politically in any way since there's a fairly substantial group of Americans who support Israel against what they view as a terrorist attack on them. Moreover, most Americans tend to vote on domestic issues ranging from the economy to abortion and everything in between. International politics rarely factor into their voting habits unless there are US troops involved.
You’re right. It’s not like the US has used their veto in the UN Security Council. Nor that the US hasn’t placed sanctions to stop war crimes being committed by another state in the last 12 months
Question, who was the last president who wasn't reelected while the economy was doing OK?
It simply means you absolve yourself of all responsibility. Smart choice for those who want to occupy themselves with finger pointing in a 9 to 5 capacity.
You really think Biden has hardcore supporters on here? There are people that strongly favor voting for him vs. Trump - doesn’t make them anything resembling a MAGA type supporter.
OK, so when you vote for biden do you share the responsibility in palestinian genocide?
No, and I'm not talking about supporting biden in itself, but this mythological idea that you either vote for him regardless of what he does or you are personally responsible for women dying because they can't get an abortion. At the same time, palestinian genocide is mentioned and all of a sudden it's all very complex. This selective blindness is very maga like.
Holding anyone personally responsible for what happens following a vote is of course stupid. Don’t see anyone doing that.
People argue for voting for what they perceive will have the most positive outcome across a number of areas. I’d strongly favor Biden, but have been over this numerous times now. Don’t think anyone that can actually vote in the US will be convinced on here.
I am not convinced this is really an electoral flashpoint. I don't think any US president is stoppin Netanyahu or Israel.
Trump. Pre COVID the economy was doing very well. His not being elected of course didn’t have anything to do with the pandemic economy briefly tanking.