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Hypothetically speaking if Trump was cleared to run for a third term by the SC, would Obama stand against him and would he win?
How would the Supreme Court clear him to do that though? The US Constitution is often ambiguous and hard to interpret but the Twenty-second Amendment is as clear as it gets.

It's far more likely that there simply won't be elections. Or Trump somehow forces through a constitutional amendment.
 
I posted it last night, the 22nd only says you can not be elected for more than 2 terms. Lots of wiggle room there for SCOTUS to manouver.
 
Those in rust belt states that sat this one out or voted for Jill Stein because of Gaza will be real proud when Trump announces his latest resort in the coast of Gaza.

Yeah the 6 million or so popular vote trouncing Harris is getting is definitely because of Gaza. All the Arabs fault.
 
Hypothetically speaking if Trump was cleared to run for a third term by the SC, would Obama stand against him and would he win?
You can't be 'cleared' to run for a 3rd term, you need to repeal the 22nd amendment. There are neither the votes in Congress nor the necessary number of state legislatures to pass it.
 
All the NATO members are safe which is pretty much all of Europe. Georgia is the only one that could be in danger however as I said Russia is on the brink of collapse economically no way they would open any other front. Moldova is the other but they'd have to go through Ukraine.

You're forgetting the checks and balances, he won't be a madman president doing what he likes.

He'll just be playing golf as usual.

I hope Europeans don't think this way. You are banking on Trump not doing what he said he would do. He said he would undo the sanctions. And China, Iran and N Korea are materially supporting Russia. Expect Chinese support to increase post election.
US in NATO is effectively over. Europe needs to come to this. There is no one who seriously believes if Putin invaded Estonia Trump would send US soldiers. And the president is commander chief there's nothing congress can do if he orders US troops to stay in their bases or closes US bases in Europe.
Europe needs to be pragmatic and act like they are on their own. I am not a fan of Macron but he's right. Europe needs to create a centralized defence outside of NATO with weapons from European defense firms. And if I was Poland or Germany I would go nuclear. You don't know what's going to happen. Its naive to leave your National security up to chance. Only way to deter further Russia aggression is aggressive rearmament.
 
I hope Europeans don't think this way. You are banking on Trump not doing what he said he would do. He said he would undo the sanctions. And China, Iran and N Korea are materially supporting Russia. Expect Chinese support to increase post election.
US in NATO is effectively over. Europe needs to come to this. There is no one who seriously believes if Putin invaded Estonia Trump would send US soldiers. And the president is commander chief there's nothing congress can do if he orders US troops to stay in their bases or closes US bases in Europe.
Europe needs to be pragmatic and act like they are on their own. I am not a fan of Macron but he's right. Europe needs to create a centralized defence outside of NATO with weapons from European defense firms. And if I was Poland or Germany I would go nuclear. You don't know what's going to happen. Its naive to leave your National security up to chance. Only way to deter further Russia aggression is aggressive rearmament.
I agree. I would even go so far to integrate the armies of France and Germany into each other. Build one huge European army with all the reliable partners and do it quick. Time is running out.
 
I think it’s monumentally unfair and even arrogant to blame these people for abstaining from voting. If they voted Trump, they are morons. But I don’t blame anyone, but especially not those with relations in the region, if their conscience didn’t allow them to vote the dems. They had many months time to do something to stop the murder of these families. They didn’t do anything. The dems didn’t deserve their votes and didn’t do anything to win them over. The blame lies solely with the governing party that refused to act on this horrible matter.

Great post.
 
Hypothetically speaking if Trump was cleared to run for a third term by the SC, would Obama stand against him and would he win?

Assuming he wants, still have the drive, and the democrats actually wanted him back.

There will be new powers that would want the nomination for themselves

Obama would have the edge, but i dont think it'll be that simple i dont even think the republican would let him run 3 times if Obama is what's ahead. He has done his deeds and should die as the martyr or a hero. Whichever they deemed necessary at that point
 
I think the impact of transgender rights in this election is overstated. Barely belongs in a summary that short.
Don’t know. For reasons I’ll never comprehend, that topic is important to a shocking amount of people.
 
I think the impact of transgender rights in this election is overstated. Barely belongs in a summary that short.

I interpret that as shorthand for general “woke fatigue” sentiment. Which is definitely real. It’s everywhere. Working class people think that left wing politicians are wasting too much time and energy fussing about stuff that is not important to the average person. That’s a huge factor in this shift to the right, globally.
 
Maybe the reality is for everyday Joe life's better under Trump?

Beyond the paycuts and tarrifs it comes down to staple food and gas price
Gas price is low and inflation lower than in most western countries. Prices are up still, but that has nothing to do with politics, it is the global market and price gouging.

People remember the very low gas prices during the pandemic. That’s not realistic though, because no one was driving.
 
I think it’s monumentally unfair and even arrogant to blame these people for abstaining from voting. If they voted Trump, they are morons. But I don’t blame anyone, but especially not those with relations in the region, if their conscience didn’t allow them to vote the dems. They had many months time to do something to stop the murder of these families. They didn’t do anything. The dems didn’t deserve their votes and didn’t do anything to win them over. The blame lies solely with the governing party that refused to act on this horrible matter.
I agree that it's stupid but also understandable. Trump did meet with them and acknowledged their existence by inviting them on stage which is something Harris refused to do and doubled down by campaigning with Liz Cheney.
 
I posted it last night, the 22nd only says you can not be elected for more than 2 terms. Lots of wiggle room there for SCOTUS to manouver.
Putin-Medvedev route? Run for vice prez then invoke the 25th/resign?

If that's the plan and SCOTUS give it a pass then yeah, Obama can probably run.
 
You can't be 'cleared' to run for a 3rd term, you need to repeal the 22nd amendment. There are neither the votes in Congress nor the necessary number of state legislatures to pass it.
Minor details.

He committed literal treason and still enjoys the majority support in both houses and now, the people.

Passing an unconstitutional amendment would be not be as improbable as we like to think.
 
Yeah the 6 million or so popular vote trouncing Harris is getting is definitely because of Gaza. All the Arabs fault.
Funny thing is, this is still a close election in a way. Harris was about 300k votes away from winning the Rust Belt. That's nothing in a country of 330 million, it's 0.1% of the population.

So she wasn't that far off becoming president, despite taking an obviously massive beating. Not to say it's the Arab's fault, of course, it isn't. It just fascinates me how utterly weird this system is.
 
So I just read that Rashida Tlaib got 77% of the vote to be reelected in michegan, while harris lost.

If you want to examine why trump won, its right there. Policy and principles matter, not soundbytes or taylor fecking swift.
 
How would the Supreme Court clear him to do that though? The US Constitution is often ambiguous and hard to interpret but the Twenty-second Amendment is as clear as it gets.

It's far more likely that there simply won't be elections. Or Trump somehow forces through a constitutional amendment.
There will be elections and one of his cronies will run (and win).
 
I hope Europeans don't think this way. You are banking on Trump not doing what he said he would do. He said he would undo the sanctions. And China, Iran and N Korea are materially supporting Russia. Expect Chinese support to increase post election.
US in NATO is effectively over. Europe needs to come to this. There is no one who seriously believes if Putin invaded Estonia Trump would send US soldiers. And the president is commander chief there's nothing congress can do if he orders US troops to stay in their bases or closes US bases in Europe.
Europe needs to be pragmatic and act like they are on their own. I am not a fan of Macron but he's right. Europe needs to create a centralized defence outside of NATO with weapons from European defense firms. And if I was Poland or Germany I would go nuclear. You don't know what's going to happen. Its naive to leave your National security up to chance. Only way to deter further Russia aggression is aggressive rearmament.
Then European tax rates need to increase substantially to pay for larger militaries, as well as much more defence cooperation.
 
Yeah but a man telling people to drink bleach and that people are eating dogs is perfectly normal.
Thats a lovely MSM soundbite you’re anchored on

Voters have been talking about the economy and the border for months. Trump’s campaign was heavily focused on economy and borders. And we’re supposed to be surprised at the result.

Up until only recently MSM were aligned with Biden, Mayorkas and Harris in complete denial that there was even a problem at the border. But anyone with eyes could tell you differently.

Maybe if MSM stopped going heavy on the pointless stories they believe gets them traction (like the ones cited above) and instead focus on the wants/needs of its voting population, todays result would be a lot less of a surprise to a great many people.

Some light reading
https://eu.statesman.com/story/news...o-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/
 
Those in rust belt states that sat this one out or voted for Jill Stein because of Gaza will be real proud when Trump announces his latest resort in the coast of Gaza.
You should pay a closer attention to the results before writing stupid statements and deflecting the blame on this campaign's scapegoats.

Harris got smashed pretty much everywhere and the Gaza genocide was the least of her problems.
 
He'll just be playing golf as usual.
This will probably be true, it's moreso the people around him that will be plotting for the future. I can imagine they will basically have a 4 year war trying to put in place various Republican favouring changes vs Trump wanting to do whatever he wants at a given moment in time.
 
I agree that it's stupid but also understandable. Trump did meet with them and acknowledged their existence by inviting them on stage which is something Harris refused to do and doubled down by campaigning with Liz Cheney.
Bill Clinton in different words essentially told them to go feck themselves during his Michigan speech.
 
Minor details.

He committed literal treason and still enjoys the majority support in both houses and now, the people.

Passing an unconstitutional amendment would be not be as improbable as we like to think.
In the end it’s just paper. And that is only worth as much as the faith and loyalty people put into it. And the US has just proven, that a majority doesn’t care about the rule of law.
Trump ain’t a normal politician. People need to understand that. It doesn’t matter what the law says, if he has the power to ignore it.
 
I think the impact of transgender rights in this election is overstated. Barely belongs in a summary that short.

Don’t know. For reasons I’ll never comprehend, that topic is important to a shocking amount of people.
I am with @HTG on this one.

Just a few pages ago a poster was railing on wokeness and the example used, so the one most top of mind and importantance, was that they had to respect someones preference in pronouns. Also, at least half of all the massive number of Trump/other MAGA candidates ads I saw in swing state NC were focused on Trans issues. Not the economy, or immigration, but trans people.
 
So I just read that Rashida Tlaib got 77% of the vote to be reelected in michegan, while harris lost.

If you want to examine why trump won, its right there. Policy and principles matter, not soundbytes or taylor fecking swift.
That's a bit simplistic, isn't it? She won with 69% actually, in a district that Harris won with 60+%.
 
So I just read that Rashida Tlaib got 77% of the vote to be reelected in michegan, while harris lost.

If you want to examine why trump won, its right there. Policy and principles matter, not soundbytes or taylor fecking swift.
She got 69%, and her district is within Wayne County which Harris won with 63%.

I get your point but that’s a bad example.
 
I agree that it's stupid but also understandable. Trump did meet with them and acknowledged their existence by inviting them on stage which is something Harris refused to do and doubled down by campaigning with Liz Cheney.

The icing on the cake was sending Clinton to Michigan two days before the election to scold to them that Judiasim was there first so they shouldn't complain. So fecking arrogant and moronic.

Though I would still say voting for Trump is stupid, regardless of whether he met them. They should be able to tell that guy is a serial liar and would only use them.
 
The issue with Gaza is that when you add it to Afghanistan and Ukraine it paints a picture of a world in flames and Dems unable to put the fire out.

This means that the previous pitch of "there is chaos with Trump, we will bring normalcy" is less effective.
People might give Biden a pass on Ukraine because the U.S. can’t do much.

But letting the war in the Middle East go on this long, when the U.S. could stop it, was seen as a problem.

Obama would have the edge
I’m not sure. Obama no longer makes a significant difference in American politics in my view.
 
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