2024 U.S. Elections | Thread Closed

Status
Not open for further replies.
"Nothing will fundamentally change" and "look at the other guy, he's terrible" was not a winning strategy. Shocker.
 
The ones in Time Magazine
As a Labour opposition backbench MP, when he labelled Trump a “woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath“ in an editorial for Time magazine.
How he was made Foreign Secretary after that I don’t know. Then again look at the idiot who appointed him.
Someone making a fair but not very diplomatic assessment of Trump shouldn't be Foreign Secretary while the woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath himself becomes the "leader of the free world"?
 
I feel people are way overthinking the reasons of the defeat, its the economy, if the economy was solid, most wouldn't have cared about open borders or gaza or whatever else, trump did not win the popular vote just because biden wouldn't intervene in gaza or the ukraine war and there is only so much abortion rights can get you.

I agree. I found exit polls CNN were putting up quite interesting, Economy was the most significant reason and even their voxpops with Trump voters, who mostly appeared to be of the non-MAGA variety, were talking about inflation as the main driver. Even immigration was showing up fifth on the list at around 11% in some areas.

Because a lot of people immerse themselves in the depth of the claptrap, there's a belief that MAGA is driving this. I can't help but wonder if it's possible that the MAGA crap is a smaller segment of the vote for him and the larger percentage just feels left behind by the economy and they are of the view the republicans will help because low taxes etc. Maybe for those voters they aren't connected with the day to day, they just want a change and after Trump's first term probably passed for them without major concerns (COVID excepting) they felt the risk was overblown?

I thought a really interesting one was that of those polled most made their minds up in September. Perhaps if Harris had given a clearer message on the economy in the debate it might have helped, but she was still tied to the Biden administration. If the economy was always going to be the deciding factor, she would always have had trouble with it, and possibly the only way of a Democrat winning was someone running a successful state, not bound to the administration, being nominated and there being a clean break from Biden's administration.

I don't know, we're all speculating, but I find it hard to believe that Trump voters I saw last night that voted Biden last time all just bought into the MAGA vision after reading Elon tweets.
 
Not going to go through all these but some aren't true and think you've fallen into right wing talking points. Across most of Europe there's an odd perception that crime is now out of control but if you actually look at the data it couldn't be further from the truth, the reason is right wing media and racist political groups pushing a certain agenda.

There's no easier way to push people to vote right than scare them on such issues.

It depends what crime we are talking about. "Knife crime" in Germany, which wasn't even an own category 10 years ago, is at a record high. So is "gang rape". Theft crime on the other hand is at a record low, true. So what does my wife care about? That she is less likely to have her purse snatched or that she is much more likely to get assaulted by Afghan and Syrian immigrants when she is on the streets alone at night?

Here is the statistics in pictures:

https://www.bild.de/ig/3bc85527-e533-4e8b-b316-e68a29b53401/mobile/mobile

I'll translate:

Intentional simple assault: +7.4 %
Violent crime: +8.6 %
Dangerous and serious bodily harm: +6.8 %
Robbery crimes: +17.4 %
Rape, sexual assault etc. in very serious cases: +2.4 %
Knife crime: +9.7 %
Homocide, murder etc.: +2.1 %

Suspects:

No German passport: +17.8 %
Immigrants: +29.8 %

Basically almost 40 % of the suspects are immigrants while making up what, 15 - 20 % of the population?

No one has a problem with immigrants who migrate the proper way, the same way I would migrate anywhere on the planet and as my parents did. Find a job, find a place to live, get the legal papers done, move, learn the language and live a decent life, eventually receive the citizenship. Refugees are an exception but they have to leave once the war in their country is over and when they haven't gotten a meaningful job in the meantime. Also Germany doesn't have endless capacity for millions of refugees. The housing situation is already beyond ridiculous. It's also a joke that "refugees" can go back to Afghanistan to visit family in the summer yet can't be legally deported back to Afghanistan if they comit a crime because Afghanistan isn't considered safe by law makers. A terrible joke that used to be the case until only a few months ago when yet another Afghan attacked people with a knife during a festival and AfD won several elections in east Germany. Only then the government started deporting 20 people back to Afghanistan (for show purposes, "hey look, we're doing something").

I detest the current "left" policies because as a child of immigrants, clearly looking like an immigrant, once the mood shifts drastically and understandably, I too will be the victim of the mood shift. I watched an interview with a Turkish kebab seller on Youtube. He said 30 % of the Turkish community already votes for AfD. Won't be surprised if this isn't the sentiment in the US for many blacks, latinos etc. as well who voted for Trump.

We've come into these countries in the past because they were great countries, not for so called left politicians to turn them into where we come from in a false sense of morality and wokeness.
 
No, quite the opposite, I think he’s a very successful man who is a lot more intelligent than left thinking people give him credit for.
Oh, wow. Are there any comments Trump has made that have gone too far? Or do you agree with everything he says?
 
Again the left using the racist card. Give it a rest, just look at the demography in London.
lDGtH1y.png

It has increased over the last 20 years.. but nowhere near that high.. No religion has gone up a lot more.
15% in London.. 6% in UK.. hardly numbers to call UK an islamist state..
 
Shapiro, Newsom and Whitmer will all be glad to not have been a part of this shitshow result for next cycle.
 
It depends what crime we are talking about. "Knife crime" in Germany, which wasn't even an own category 10 years ago, is at a record high. So is "gang rape". Theft crime on the other hand is at a record low, true. So what does my wife care about? That she is less likely to have her purse snatched or that she is much more likely to get assaulted by Afghan and Syrian immigrants when she is on the streets alone at night?

Here is the statistics in pictures:

https://www.bild.de/ig/3bc85527-e533-4e8b-b316-e68a29b53401/mobile/mobile

I'll translate:

Intentional simple assault: +7.4 %
Violent crime: +8.6 %
Dangerous and serious bodily harm: +6.8 %
Robbery crimes: +17.4 %
Rape, sexual assault etc. in very serious cases: +2.4 %
Knife crime: +9.7 %
Homocide, murder etc.: +2.1 %

Suspects:

No German passport: +17.8 %
Immigrants: +29.8 %

Basically almost 40 % of the suspects are immigrants while making up what, 15 - 20 % of the population?

No one has a problem with immigrants who migrate the proper way, the same way I would migrate anywhere on the planet and as my parents did. Find a job, find a place to live, get the legal papers done, move, learn the language and live a decent life, eventually receive the citizenship. Refugees are an exception but they have to leave once the war in their country is over and when they haven't gotten a meaningful job in the meantime. Also Germany doesn't have endless capacity for millions of refugees. The housing situation is already beyond ridiculous. It's also a joke that "refugees" can go back to Afghanistan to visit family in the summer yet can't be legally deported back to Afghanistan if they comit a crime because Afghanistan isn't considered safe by law makers. A terrible joke that used to be the case until only a few months ago when yet another Afghan attacked people with a knife during a festival and AfD won several elections in east Germany. Only then the government started deporting 20 people back to Afghanistan (for show purposes, "hey look, we're doing something").

I detest the current "left" policies because as a child of immigrants, clearly looking like an immigrant, once the mood shifts drastically and understandably, I too will be the victim of the mood shift. I watched an interview with a Turkish kebab seller on Youtube. He said 30 % of the Turkish community already votes for AfD. Won't be surprised if this isn't the sentiment in the US for many blacks, latinos etc. as well who voted for Trump.

We've come into these countries in the past because they were great countries, not for so called left politicians to turn them into where we come from in a false sense of morality and wokeness.

What are these woke policies you mention other than the most important one to you which is that you have to be respectful to trans people?
 
I doubt that the US will leave NATO. Whether it will properly support an invasion with active military intervention is a different thing altogether. All I can say is that from what I heard from top quality military people is that Europe is not in shape for a war.

All the NATO members are safe which is pretty much all of Europe. Georgia is the only one that could be in danger however as I said Russia is on the brink of collapse economically no way they would open any other front. Moldova is the other but they'd have to go through Ukraine.

You're forgetting the checks and balances, he won't be a madman president doing what he likes.

He'll just be playing golf as usual.
 
Most concise/accurate summary I’ve read all day.

The improbable Trump restoration marks the triumph of a grievance-based populism driven by a working-class backlash against transgender rights, the shift to a service economy, trade globalization and a wave of immigration that has pushed up the share of foreign-born residents in the US to the highest level since 1910. His second victory shows his first term was no aberration.
 
I've never been particularly proud to be American but today is definitely a new low. I truly don't understand how over half this country is so stupid/racist/hateful. I genuinely can't understand how we got here.
 
Those in rust belt states that sat this one out or voted for Jill Stein because of Gaza will be real proud when Trump announces his latest resort in the coast of Gaza.

Better to get stabbed in the front than in the back. Given Trump's margin of victory, Gaza hardly mattered this time.
 
On the plus side he's 78 years old, morbidly obese, and will maybe be too busy bickering with Elon. He might kick it before doing any long term damage.
People overestimate the chances he'll die or get seriously ill on office.

Trump is not morbidly obese, he's in the overweight-slightly obese category. Looks about 30 BMI. Never smoked, doesn't drink, never had any major health event that we know of. Doesn't exercise but is an active person.

The average 78 year old has about 9 years of life expectancy. In terms of health Trump probably sits comfortably average at his age, if not above.

At that age he can go any time, but it's far more likely he manages it to the end of term in reasonable health.
 
Should've let that particular dickhead stick around a bit longer - at least they was replying unlike some of the other passerbys.
 
Hypothetically speaking if Trump was cleared to run for a third term by the SC, would Obama stand against him and would he win?
 
A fight of never ending propaganda comes to a close.

It’s a little depressing in the 21st century the best way to win an election from either side is to bombard you with propaganda none stop.

Some of the stuff being spouted on platforms and bots backing it up is ridiculous.

Politics needs to move away from the whole bankrolling your favourite candidate, needs a clean slate. While the process of physically voting might be democratic the propaganda and the stuff being fed to you is far from it.
 
The orange fool beat two women. He must be feeling so good about himself. I can imagine the conversations. Funny thing if those conversations leaked nobody would bat an eyelid. They'll run to the polling station to vote for king fool. That famous line of his is probably being used as an inside joke.
 
Hypothetically speaking if Trump was cleared to run for a third term by the SC, would Obama stand against him and would he win?
Okay. "Only white men can stand for a third term." Easy peasy.
 
Hypothetically speaking if Trump was cleared to run for a third term by the SC, would Obama stand against him and would he win?
Hadn't thought of that, but I guess that would be the plan. I guess winning or not would depend on the state of the economy.
 
The orange fool beat two women. He must be feeling so good about himself. I can imagine the conversations. Funny thing if those conversations leaked nobody would bat an eyelid. They'll run to the polling station to vote for king fool. That famous line of his is probably being used as an inside joke.
That we know of.
 
Those in rust belt states that sat this one out or voted for Jill Stein because of Gaza will be real proud when Trump announces his latest resort in the coast of Gaza.
I think it’s monumentally unfair and even arrogant to blame these people for abstaining from voting. If they voted Trump, they are morons. But I don’t blame anyone, but especially not those with relations in the region, if their conscience didn’t allow them to vote the dems. They had many months time to do something to stop the murder of these families. They didn’t do anything. The dems didn’t deserve their votes and didn’t do anything to win them over. The blame lies solely with the governing party that refused to act on this horrible matter.
 
Hypothetically speaking if Trump was cleared to run for a third term by the SC, would Obama stand against him and would he win?
No hypothetical.

There would have to be a constitutional amendment - which now in American politics is insurmountable in terms of bars to clear. Talking 2/3 House, 2/3 Senate and 3/4 states to agree iirc.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.