Dems getting 51 seats would be important in terms of reducing their dependency on Manchin though?
2022 US Elections
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Dems getting 51 seats would be important in terms of reducing their dependency on Manchin though?
Arizona coming in clutch. New York on the other hand
FFS control of the house could actually come down to democrats fecking up new York. Only the dems can be this shit at politics/r/conservative try to process the election results.
Ah noooo, Lauren Boebert won anyway? How can 150k people vote for someone like that. Such an indictment of democracy.
Well thats how democracy works unfortunately in this case its worked in favour for that spunkbubble
Enraged incels are the best kind of incels.
Can only be a good development. And it was foreseeable, really, because Trump is anything but a team player and won't willingly step back when somebody else has more support. The rifts in the Republican Party seem to become bigger and this will hopefully split their supporters up for the next elections.
Do people believe it's possible Trump runs as an independent candidate?
It was gerrymandered in such a way that whoever drew it up flat out said they were doing it just to get her re-elected
He certainly is spiteful enough to do it. Maybe he’ll do it to claim «political witch hunt» when/if he is indicted.
The only thing you can be sure about Trump is that he will only do what he wants for himself. He isn’t tied to the Republican Party. I hope we see an all out war, but I sadly think we will see all others, even DeSanctis bow out from running. Republicans have the best chance now to firmly distance themselves from Trump. They’ve got someone with momentum, they’ve got the media turned, and they can really flip the narrative now. But, they won’t do it of course.
Trump won't want to go into it knowingly going to lose again also. He will try to get as much of these drooling MAGA supporters he has left money. Continuing his rallies and asking for their money as long as possible. Scaring concessions out of the GOP to continue fighting and assisting all his various legal troubles and threatening support to get other concessions.
But, if he really wants to run again its only good for whatever Democrat is against him.
If DeSantis somehow beats Trump in the primary and if Trump is not arrested yet, Trump will go on with his own separatist faction of Trumpian Republicans behind him. It will be 1912 (Wilson vs. Roosevelt vs. Taft), 1992 (Clinton vs. Bush vs. Perot) and 1996 (Clinton vs. Dole vs. Perot) all over again.
I'd have assumed he's a) not really the person to accept he has no chance of winning and b) that if he does, it would be more about keeping up his personal cult (and monetizing it, etc.). One way or another, it looks like the Republican Party is screwed. Either Trump becomes their candidate and it seems as if they can't win the election with him or he doesn't become their candidate and will divide their voter base to an extent that they won't be able to win either. Plus the Trumpists seem to be indoctrined beyond repair at this point. A terrible demographic to rely on since their radical views are very hard to combine with many things the majority supports. I guess they have only themselves to blame for that. Sold their soul and now have to deal with the spirits they summoned.
Do you think it is likely he'll get arrested? I didn't really follow the recent investigations in detail but expected he'd twist himself out of the whole thing again. But yes, I'd also expect him to start his own campaign, even if it was against all odds.
Ah yeah forgot about that... cnuts
Arizona coming in clutch. New York on the other hand
Of all states to feck up, it had to be New York.
I wonder how much of an effect the Andrew Cuomo scandal and the problems in NYC had over the vote across the state. There is definitely a lot of work to do to regain voters' confidence in New York.
MTG will be one of the most powerful reps in the country. Christ on a bike.
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50-50 senate and 217-217 house would just about be a perfect representation of how divided America is right now.
There are 435 seats, so this would not be possible, but I get your point.
Or is it possible the Republican Party splits - that’s the dream for me!
Would be interesting for Trump to break the GOP party partially. Even a 1/5th split would give Dems the presidency for at least a term. I can see the GOP turning their backs on him and (secretly?) pushing for the AG charges to prevent running.
Wonder who he would pick as his running partner? I can't see him picking either son. So, perhaps Ivanka? Maybe MTG? Some other bootlicking nutter?
Wonder who he would pick as his running partner? I can't see him picking either son. So, perhaps Ivanka? Maybe MTG? Some other bootlicking nutter?
Kari Lake I reckon.
Possibly though some of her pre-2020 quotes might put him off on her. She would be targeted for those throughout the campaign.
Trump isn’t going to break or split the GOP.
He’s currently being protected by them at judicial level. If he fecks them over then he’s on his own and he knows that so that’s what they will use to keep him in line. Equally they will continue to protect him if he plays along and energises his base behind someone like DeSantis who will make sure he’s protected if he wins the presidency.
He’s currently being protected by them at judicial level. If he fecks them over then he’s on his own and he knows that so that’s what they will use to keep him in line. Equally they will continue to protect him if he plays along and energises his base behind someone like DeSantis who will make sure he’s protected if he wins the presidency.
Once he commits to running, the GOP has stated they will no longer cover his legal fees.
He could certainly split them if he runs for POTUS, given that a growing member of the GOP establishment want him gone, but he still controls the voter base. If he and DeSantis both run, you can bet the farm Trump will damage him as Trump can't be made out to be a loser yet again.
Roger will get Project Veritas to create a bogus video showing the Florida GOP fixing the race for DeSantis a few years ago. Please let it happen.
Chairman Gym Jordan. America is so fecked up.
This is not true at all. McCarthy needs 2018 votes to become speaker, but could easily make a deal with the Dems to get it, thereby rendering the Freedom Caucus irrelevant. He could also make a deal with the Freedom Caucus, but their demands are a bit too ridiculous at this point (these demands include an ability to vote out the house speaker at any point, which is of course a non starter).
It would be easier to cut a deal with the Dems imo.
How big do you think the House is?
Wouldn't surprise me if the Dems do a deal with him, only for him to feck them over.
Much larger than we've been led to believe.
Kanye?
Will be interesting how this plays out. I don't see why the Dems would trust him and he's a small-minded cnut. They should tell him to get fecked by the monster they all took part in creating and empowering. Let the fringe GOP element eat them from the inside. They do a deal with him and yet here goes some crap committee on Hunter Biden, then another committee on impeaching Biden, and so forth. GOP is going to do that regardless and they'd go back on their deal in a heartbeat if it serves them political points.
His most direct effect was appointing Republican judges to the state court. They threw out the voting map (which would have got Dems 5 more seats) and imposed a neutral maps.
In particular, he appointed four conservative-leaning judges to 14-year terms on the Court of Appeals, the state’s highest judicial body. They are the former Republican Janet DiFiore, Republican Michael Garcia, and conservative Democrats Anthony Cannatarro and Madeline Singas. Forming a majority of the court’s seven members, these four emerged as a bloc in the most recent session, voting together in 96 of 98 cases during the term that ended in mid 2022.
And they made some pretty suspect decisions! As the reporter Sam Mellins wrote in City and State, “these four judges have used their power to prevent criminal defendants from presenting expert testimony supporting their innocence, bar workers from suing employers for workplace injuries, and make it harder for victims of police misconduct to sue for damages, among other rulings.”
But their coup de grace was the ruling on New York state’s proposed redistricting. In April of this year, they sided with Republicans in a shock 4-3 decision that threw out the state’s redrawn maps, written by the Democratic-supermajority legislature, saying that they violated the state’s constitution. The opinion was written by Chief Judge DiFiore, with, of course, Judges Garcia, Singas, and Cannataro concurring.
Indeed, Cuomo exerted his influence on the redistricting process in direct and indirect ways over the course of his decade as governor. The scrapping of the Democrats’ map by Cuomo appointees wasn’t the first time Cuomo had, in some form, made gerrymandering into a partisan win for Republicans. In 2012, during the last once-a-decade redistricting cycle, he signed a GOP-gerrymandered map into law, in exchange for the Republican-majority state senate’s support for the ballot referendum that was supposed to end future partisan gerrymandering.
And they made some pretty suspect decisions! As the reporter Sam Mellins wrote in City and State, “these four judges have used their power to prevent criminal defendants from presenting expert testimony supporting their innocence, bar workers from suing employers for workplace injuries, and make it harder for victims of police misconduct to sue for damages, among other rulings.”
But their coup de grace was the ruling on New York state’s proposed redistricting. In April of this year, they sided with Republicans in a shock 4-3 decision that threw out the state’s redrawn maps, written by the Democratic-supermajority legislature, saying that they violated the state’s constitution. The opinion was written by Chief Judge DiFiore, with, of course, Judges Garcia, Singas, and Cannataro concurring.
Indeed, Cuomo exerted his influence on the redistricting process in direct and indirect ways over the course of his decade as governor. The scrapping of the Democrats’ map by Cuomo appointees wasn’t the first time Cuomo had, in some form, made gerrymandering into a partisan win for Republicans. In 2012, during the last once-a-decade redistricting cycle, he signed a GOP-gerrymandered map into law, in exchange for the Republican-majority state senate’s support for the ballot referendum that was supposed to end future partisan gerrymandering.
This is part of a pattern - Cuomo made sure NY never turned blue under his watch, which worked up until his last 2 years: https://rossbarkan.substack.com/p/how-andrew-cuomo-screwed-democrats
e - another thing i read was that he didn't give much resources to the census, which probably led to an undercount, and NY lost a seat to some red state as a result.
That's the best bet really. Trump wouldn't run as independent, he'd be guaranteed a loss and his ego couldn't handle that. But a primary with him and Desantis could do some damage to both of them, maybe enough to help an aging Biden if Biden decides to run because after a bloody Rep primary, no matter who won, some of the committed voters to one of them may sit out.