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People can lose their job/family/kids over this and they may not have been that stable to begin with, considering what they were accused of.

You'd have to know them and I wouldnt celebrate every sucker, who fecked up their life by getting brain washed by Trump and Fox.
 
Maybe he shouldn’t have participated in an attempt to overthrow a government because some orange nutjob said so.
 
Anustart89 said:
Maybe he shouldn’t have participated in an attempt to overthrow a government because some orange nutjob said so.
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Yep.

He had to be very weak mentally to choose the very easy way out over a relatively minor sentence compared to what people would have been sentenced to if the insurrection happened in a different country or in a different time. Anyway, I spit in their faces for choosing to do what they did.
 
do.ob said:
People can lose their job/family/kids over this and they may not have been that stable to begin with, considering what they were accused of.

You'd have to know them and I wouldnt celebrate every sucker, who fecked up their life by getting brain washed by Trump and Fox.
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Definitely not something to celebrate.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Yep.

He had to be very weak mentally to choose the very easy way out over a relatively minor sentence compared to what people would have been sentenced to if the insurrection happened in a different country or in a different time. Anyway, I spit in their faces for choosing to do what they did.
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Eh...? Suicide is more complex than that.
 
Characterising suicide as an easy way out is in very poor taste. People who commit suicide are lost to a degree that they feel it's their only way out. Having mental problems has nothing to do with your mental strength. MAGA cnuts can collectively choke on bags of dicks, but suicide isn't something to be giddy about.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Characterising suicide as an easy way out is in very poor taste. People who commit suicide are lost to a degree that they feel it's their only way out. Having mental problems has nothing to do with your mental strength. MAGA cnuts can collectively choke on bags of dicks, but suicide isn't something to be giddy about.
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How lost would one be to commit suicide over a (potential) 6-month maximum prison sentence after pleading guilty on his own free will? And besides, serving prison time (probably not in the harshest conditions) should be a means to rebuild yourself and seek help because that is the lowest point and the only way ahead should have been up. On the risk of repeating myself, the man pleaded guilty to all charges and that usually is a good sign.

I'm out of this particular sub-topic now.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
How lost would one be to commit suicide over a (potential) 6-month maximum prison sentence after pleading guilty on his own free will? And besides, serving prison time (probably not in the harshest conditions) should be a means to rebuild yourself and seek help because that is the lowest point and the only way ahead should have been up. On the risk of repeating myself, the man pleaded guilty to all charges and that usually is a good sign.
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You're approaching it from a rational perspective in which case, it indeed makes no sense. He might have been syruggling with depression or other mental problems. I can't imagine mentally sound and happy people go marching into the capital.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
How lost would one be to commit suicide over a (potential) 6-month maximum prison sentence after pleading guilty on his own free will? And besides, serving prison time (probably not in the harshest conditions) should be a means to rebuild yourself and seek help because that is the lowest point and the only way ahead should have been up. On the risk of repeating myself, the man pleaded guilty to all charges and that usually is a good sign.

I'm out of this particular sub-topic now.
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Very rarely does someone commit suicide because they were fired, or their partner left them or any other specific reason. There are always other more profound reasons and often specific events are the tipping point, not the whole reason.
 
Why do a lot of right wing weirdo's have laser eyes in their profile picture. Is it some sort of statement? Surely one of the cafs Twitter exlerts knows.
 
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How come it's only a third? Democrats believe Republicans want to steal elections and steer the country towards authoritarian rule and Republicans seem to believe that Democrats have already done that with the last election?
 
do.ob said:
How come it's only a third? Democrats believe Republicans want to steal elections and steer the country towards authoritarian rule and Republicans seem to believe that Democrats have already done that with the last election?
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Not every Republican is in the Whackadoodle Army.
 
Carolina Red said:
Not every Republican is in the Whackadoodle Army.
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Fortunately true, but unfortunately like 70% of them still are. Or at least that's the number of GOP voters who believe the election was stolen. And the number seems to be going up every year. By 2024 it might be the consensus opinion, probably partly because the hold-outs will no longer consider themselves GOP voters by then. Hopefully they'll actually follow through on their convictions, and not just hold their noses and vote for the Republican candidate anyway.
 
nimic said:
Fortunately true, but unfortunately like 70% of them still are. Or at least that's the number of GOP voters who believe the election was stolen. And the number seems to be going up every year. By 2024 it might be the consensus opinion, probably partly because the hold-outs will no longer consider themselves GOP voters by then. Hopefully they'll actually follow through on their convictions, and not just hold their noses and vote for the Republican candidate anyway.
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All this is true, I’m just explaining why it’s “only 1/3”.
 
nimic said:
Fortunately true, but unfortunately like 70% of them still are. Or at least that's the number of GOP voters who believe the election was stolen. And the number seems to be going up every year. By 2024 it might be the consensus opinion, probably partly because the hold-outs will no longer consider themselves GOP voters by then. Hopefully they'll actually follow through on their convictions, and not just hold their noses and vote for the Republican candidate anyway.
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more independents than republicans believe the same thing, about guns being needed and 20% of democrats believe it too. also, democrats bleated on for four years about the 2016 election being stolen when they just lost because clinton was crap and they couldn't face it. much more similar than they like to admit. i'd be curious to see what percentage of dems bought the russiagate stupidity for example. probably similar number that believes in this trump stolen election nonsense. each party is playing with democracy as institution in that country.
 
neverdie said:
more independents than republicans believe the same thing, about guns being needed and 20% of democrats believe it too. also, democrats bleated on for four years about the 2016 election being stolen when they just lost because clinton was crap and they couldn't face it. much more similar than they like to admit.
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What? Not a single Dem I know actually believed 2016 was “stolen”. Was Comey’s actions and Russian hacking a factor? Absolutely, but there was never any credible claims that votes were changed or ballotboxes stuffed. Clinton ran a shit campaign and Trump had outside help, but he still won.
 
WI_Red said:
What? Not a single Dem I know actually believed 2016 was “stolen”. Was Comey’s actions and Russian hacking a factor? Absolutely, but there was never any credible claims that votes were changed or ballotboxes stuffed. Clinton ran a shit campaign and Trump had outside help, but he still won.
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you don't think there was a stolen election myth paraded post 2016?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ction-was-stolen-got-a-nicer-way-to-say-that/

you could find way more with a quick search.

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Day ends in -y, thus neverdie shoehorns an anti-Democrat post in.
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a good counterweight to propaganda of joe biden being photographed with a dog as rome burns maybe? the whole democratic rigging of the green party's attempt to get on the ballot goes without comment. the republicans acted in concert with the dems there but it isn't really spoken about here because everyone seems to prefer dems good republicans bad as a template.
 
neverdie said:
you don't think there was a stolen election myth paraded post 2016?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ction-was-stolen-got-a-nicer-way-to-say-that/

you could find way more with a quick search.


a good counterweight to propaganda of joe biden being photographed with a dog as rome burns maybe? the whole democratic rigging of the green party's attempt to get on the ballot goes without comment. the republicans acted in concert with the dems there but it isn't really spoken about here because everyone seems to prefer dems good republicans bad as a template.
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that article literally said what I said.
 
WI_Red said:
that article literally said what I said.
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it leads with "the election was stolen". i lived through that period as most also did and anyone paying attention to the news knows the legitimacy of that election was constantly called into question.


Excuse me if I don’t feel that the election that led us here delivered the outcome the American people deserved, or in fact voted for.
If you don’t want to call it stolen, I’d like to hear your suggestion for a more appropriate word for what just happened.
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the "election was stolen" stuff started immediately. let's not rewrite history.
 
neverdie said:
it leads with "the election was stolen". i lived through that period as most also did and anyone paying attention to the news knows the legitimacy of that election was constantly called into question.
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I also lived through it and for me it is indelibly burned into my head. It was the moment I moved from idealist to realist. I did not vote for Clinton (or Trump), although as an Alabama resident it hardly mattered. But it still made its mark.
To compare the 2 is laughable. Again, the legitimacy was called into question not because of claims of stolen votes or stuffed ballot boxes, but because of obvious foreign interference and Comey doing shit. Also the electoral college, but that’s a different issue. Is/was Biden the perfect candidate? Hell no, but it was the best option we had.
 
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