2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Why is Trump, for four more years, worse news than a soon to be 78 year old Biden? It's a retirement election, how the feck did they manage to land on a 78 year old candidate?

The most likely outcome is that there's going to be a very small difference between the two, and in 4 years there's going to be a somewhat decent candidate.

US is fecked anyways.

My last sentence still stands.
 
The fact that this isn't 75pct-25pct in favour of Biden after EVERYTHING has made me completely lose my hope in America and most of humanity. 2016 has set in motion a start of a sequence of a revolution
Yup. I think even if Biden wins, Trump/Trumplike is going to roar back in 2024 to usher in right wing governments across the world.
 
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Its over. Biden is winning this now.
Trump will go crazy on twitter soon.
 
What on Earth happened with the Senate? Even Susan Collins who looked a dead woman walking for months seem to have won quite comfortably (not yet projected but has a very big lead with 15% of the votes remaining).
 
Why is Trump, for four more years, worse news than a soon to be 78 year old Biden? It's a retirement election, how the feck did they manage to land on a 78 year old candidate?

The most likely outcome is that there's going to be a very small difference between the two, and in 4 years there's going to be a somewhat decent candidate.

US is fecked anyways.
Kamala is more or less going to do the job if Biden gets elected.

It's more about prepping her for 2024.
 
If Biden takes Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia, is that enough?

I believe he would be very slightly short?

As nice as it is regarding Wisconsin, Michigan really is the key one (if we are trying to avoid PA).
 
What on Earth happened with the Senate? Even Susan Collins who looked a dead woman walking for months seem to have won quite comfortably (not yet projected but has a very big lead with 15% of the votes remaining).
Red states redstating, I guess?
 
I assume everyone who voted for Biden is also ok with sexism then, because he has a history of it? I never realised that a vote for either candidate was also ringing endorsement of all their character flaws.

Come on.

You’re still saying ‘they’ and ‘them’, like we are speaking about one uniform body...

Look, I largely agree with you, but there are still people that can be remodelled. That is my point. It doesn’t help to do what Olly did.

I think we are derailing the thread, but let me refer, in closing, to the principle of Hanlon’s razor: “never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity”

I'm not attributing it to malice, I'm attributing it to stupidity, just like you. With them I'm referring to those people who you think need educating. I disagree. You don't reach them with reasonable arguments. You reach them with bullshit infotainment and painfully obvious manipulation they're not able to see. They prefer that to people trying to teach them stuff since they don't want to treated like idiots. And they're not open to complex lines of arguments, they need simple truths/oversimplification/blatant lies which the democrats aren't willing or able to give them because of their ethic codex (rightfully so).

As I said, if there's one thing that's been proven by this election it is that you can't convince Trump voters by facts. Which is logical because all the evidence for Trump being a terrible president was there for everyone to see. It's not about reasoning and truths with the people the democrats are trying to convert and the sooner people face that reality, the better.
 
I am actually surprised people think Biden could lose this. I have been very critical of him/Dems this whole campaign and knew it would be close but I never once doubted he'd win. Trump got more votes than I thought but ultimately he was never going to get the same wave he had the first time.

Either way, Trump will drag this out and won't go out a fair and square loser
 
Yup. I think even if Biden wins, Trump/Trumplike is going to roar back in 2024 to usher in right wing governments across the world.

Wondering how much of the Trump appeal is centred on Trump himself. Whatever else you might say about him, he's done a remarkable job energising his support base. Another candidate with Trumplike ideas wouldn't necessarily do the same.
 
whats the best news channel to follow and watch this online whilst working?

I've been flicking between CNN, MSNBC, ABC and even Fox News all night and they've all been pretty decent to be fair. Nothing too controversial yet.
 
Do the Democrats have anyone with a bit of braggadocio who can run in 4 years?

These milquetoast candidates obviously do nothing for people and it's not like people pay attention to policies etc, it's all personality. Get someone who is a bit of a prick/bitch to run....just minus the racism.
 
Don't get your hopes up. Kenosha and Green Bay still yet to count and they're heavily Republican

But the point is that they have already counted on-the-day vote. What’s left is mail in, which will likely skew democratic. Overall the counties will remain republicans but the critical thing is how the mail in ballots affect the marginal difference between Biden and Trump.
 
Why is Trump, for four more years, worse news than a soon to be 78 year old Biden? It's a retirement election, how the feck did they manage to land on a 78 year old candidate?

The most likely outcome is that there's going to be a very small difference between the two, and in 4 years there's going to be a somewhat decent candidate.

US is fecked anyways.

4 years could make a big difference for the environment and our planet. Biden will at least be likely to put qualified people in key positions and maybe, just maybe we can start to shift the dangerous path we've been going down of disregarding experts and scientists. We can only hope.
 
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