2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Siorac said:
On the other hand, there's the whole thing with pulling out of the Paris agreement, pulling out of the Iran nuclear treaty, pulling out of the WHO... none of this is good news for the rest of the world.
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Pulling out of the Paris agreement and the WHO is definitely a negative - the Iran deal i'm not too fussed by. The Iranians aren't the angels they like to make out to be. They're actively supporting terrorist elements in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine. They've got this shia cresent dream of a reign of influence and they're using militant groups allied to them to get it. Iran with access to modern weapons and a flourishing economy would only be emboldened to do more of the same.

I feel sorry for the people of Iran. If Trump had any sense he'd figure out a balance. Military sanctions, sanctions on government accounts and accounts associated with the leadership and Republican Guard - but open up to trade, tourism, education, research. Iran is full of bright people, they are isolated and deprived, it's driving them into the arms of the Ayatollahs. The regime doesn't reflect Iran.
 
Can get 4/6 with the bookies for Biden now. A 66% return on investment on an almost sure thing? Fill your boots if you're all so sure!
 
Zlatattack said:
I'm not American, so I can't comment on his domestic position. As far as foreign policy is concerned though I don't think Trump is as bad as he's being made out to be. He's just more uncouth.

GW Bush was just as stupid. Trumps probably killed less people than Obama. Frankly I'd much rather he tells Muslims he hates them than he tells them he wants to liberate them and then does so by bombing their families whilst they sleep.

Also internationally, it's in everyones interests that people take on China aggresively. It'll slow their roll a little - which is no bad thing. China's imperialist dreams will be just as bad as America's imperialism, at least the American empire is on the wane.
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Trump has set completely new standards in politics worldwide. Fake news is no longer an issue. Politicians get away with a lot more than they used to. Twitter has become their main outlet in stead of normal interviews. He has a huge impact on national politics in Europe too. With him not condemning White Nationalists, it's ok to be openly racist too it seems. Facebook and newspaper comment sections are fecking racist cesspits compared to the pre-Trump period.
 
Zlatattack said:
Pulling out of the Paris agreement and the WHO is definitely a negative - the Iran deal i'm not too fussed by. The Iranians aren't the angels they like to make out to be. They're actively supporting terrorist elements in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine. They've got this shia cresent dream of a reign of influence and they're using militant groups allied to them to get it. Iran with access to modern weapons and a flourishing economy would only be emboldened to do more of the same.

I feel sorry for the people of Iran. If Trump had any sense he'd figure out a balance. Military sanctions, sanctions on government accounts and accounts associated with the leadership and Republican Guard - but open up to trade, tourism, education, research. Iran is full of bright people, they are isolated and deprived, it's driving them into the arms of the Ayatollahs. The regime doesn't reflect Iran.
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Ayatollahs have already started threatening and assassinating dissidents in Canada again. One popular activities was stabbed to death in north Toronto last week. Several family members of Ukrainian airliner victims have received death threats. It was covered by CBC. It's like the chain murders of the 1980s-90s in Europe all over again.

Almost all my family in Iran and in the USA (except half a dozen them) are cheering for a Trump win tonight. Ex-Shah generals and their families in CA have always been republicans so it's no surprise...one of my cousins who's been a Republican all his life has voted for Biden though because he's a NATO Hawk and doesn't like Trump's tweets. He voted for Hillary last election too afraid of what will happen to NATO if Trump wins. :lol:

As for the Iranian support: He's "our only chance to get rid of these shitstains", "painful short-term, better long-term"....when discussing sanctions and if they will eventually break the regime's back.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The big money is not in the top line bets, if you place $100 into Trump to keep odds high enough, you can then make a killing betting another 100 on shit like individual state winner, popular vote margin, EVs. Even at the moment, the lowest odd for Biden 300+ EV and above is 5.00.
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That's only true if you bet couple of hundreds. There is no liquidy for 10.000+ bets in those markets.
 


Lil pump? :lol: I swear America is not a real country. Honestly, one could easily think this was some sort of comedy skit and not an actual presidential rally a day before the election.
 
Sara125 said:


Lil pump? :lol: I swear America is not a real country. Honestly, one could easily think this was some sort of comedy skit and not an actual presidential rally a day before the election.
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2020... 20 :lol:

Out of interest, why does anybody go to these things?? They look absolutely dreadful. What's the appeal?!

I don't just mean for Trump either, like how is this the way anyone would choose to spend their spare time? And yes, I know, a lot of people in the audience are paid!
 
groovyalbert said:
2020... 20 :lol:

Out of interest, why does anybody go to these things?? They look absolutely dreadful. What's the appeal?!

I don't just mean for Trump either, like how is this the way anyone would choose to spend their spare time? And yes, I know, a lot of people in the audience are paid!
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It's a rock gig. People go to be around fellow fans and see their hero play the hits.
 
groovyalbert said:
2020... 20 :lol:

Out of interest, why does anybody go to these things?? They look absolutely dreadful. What's the appeal?!

I don't just mean for Trump either, like how is this the way anyone would choose to spend their spare time? And yes, I know, a lot of people in the audience are paid!
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I was gonna say a mixture of boredom and dedication but even that shouldn’t drive someone to go :lol:
 
groovyalbert said:
2020... 20 :lol:

Out of interest, why does anybody go to these things?? They look absolutely dreadful. What's the appeal?!

I don't just mean for Trump either, like how is this the way anyone would choose to spend their spare time? And yes, I know, a lot of people in the audience are paid!
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Its a like WWE show.
 
Side note: a bit ironic that Lil pump, someone of Hispanic descent with a first gen Hispanic family, is supporting someone who has made his stance on immigrants clear. But then again elections show time and time again that turkeys do in fact vote for Christmas :lol:
 
Sara125 said:
Side note: a bit ironic that Lil pump, someone of Hispanic descent with a first gen Hispanic family, is supporting someone who has made his stance on immigrants clear. But then again elections show time and time again that turkeys do in fact vote for Christmas :lol:
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He's a rich bloke who doesn't want to pay higher taxes.
 
Sara125 said:
Side note: a bit ironic that Lil pump, someone of Hispanic descent with a first gen Hispanic family, is supporting someone who has made his stance on immigrants clear. But then again elections show time and time again that turkeys do in fact vote for Christmas :lol:
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There were numerous stories last election of people voting for Trump who had loved ones who were undocumented. And they voted for Trump even when he made a big deal throughout the election of deporting undocumented workers. Those undocumented people were then deported and the voters were somehow left shocked their candidate did exactly what he promised
 
Wittmann45 said:
There were numerous stories last election of people voting for Trump who had loved ones who were undocumented. And they voted for Trump even when he made a big deal throughout the election of deporting undocumented workers. Those undocumented people were then deported and the voters were somehow left shocked their candidate did exactly what he promised
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It’s almost funny to watch if it wasn’t so sad
 
Hanks said:
Ayatollahs have already started threatening and assassinating dissidents in Canada again. One popular activities was stabbed to death in north Toronto last week. Several family members of Ukrainian airliner victims have received death threats. It was covered by CBC. It's like the chain murders of the 1980s-90s in Europe all over again.

Almost all my family in Iran and in the USA (except half a dozen them) are cheering for a Trump win tonight. Ex-Shah generals and their families in CA have always been republicans so it's no surprise...one of my cousins who's been a Republican all his life has voted for Biden though because he's a NATO Hawk and doesn't like Trump's tweets. He voted for Hillary last election too afraid of what will happen to NATO if Trump wins. :lol:

As for the Iranian support: He's "our only chance to get rid of these shitstains", "painful short-term, better long-term"....when discussing sanctions and if they will eventually break the regime's back.
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I'm a religiously conservative person, but I don't like to mix that in my politics too much. The wider middle east area is being held back by the Saudi's and the Iranian regime. Unfortunately until the oil runs out there is no getting rid of the Saudi's, at least i can't invisage a way. But if Iran can get rid of the Ayatollahs it will massively help stability and peace and the region. I also think it would help isolate the Saudi's and curb their influence. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq are all neighbours of Iran and all states which would benefit massively from a free Iran. Iran has the potential to become a developed country overnight if these crippling sanctions were targeted and not widespread. I don't think external regime change can happen in Iran, but opening the world back up to Iran would empower the moderate forces and weaken the Ayatollahs. I think the change could then come from within.

Unfortunately i'm not sure if Trump is the man for that. Then again neither are the democrats.
 
FrankDrebin said:
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Antifas abolish your guns.


Sounds about right to me.
 
I think people are going to be in for a shock if Biden wins. His policies will wreck the US economy.

One, America will be going into lockdown once he wins. They have to because this has been a fundamental part of his campaign. This will damage the economy; a lot of job losses to come.

Two, he wants to hit the wealthy with a 67% wealth tax. These taxes will just be fed down the pyramid in the form of job losses and pay freezes.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are going to lose their jobs once this is over.
 
Zlatattack said:
I'm a religiously conservative person, but I don't like to mix that in my politics too much. The wider middle east area is being held back by the Saudi's and the Iranian regime. Unfortunately until the oil runs out there is no getting rid of the Saudi's, at least i can't invisage a way. But if Iran can get rid of the Ayatollahs it will massively help stability and peace and the region. I also think it would help isolate the Saudi's and curb their influence. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq are all neighbours of Iran and all states which would benefit massively from a free Iran. Iran has the potential to become a developed country overnight if these crippling sanctions were targeted and not widespread. I don't think external regime change can happen in Iran, but opening the world back up to Iran would empower the moderate forces and weaken the Ayatollahs. I think the change could then come from within.

Unfortunately i'm not sure if Trump is the man for that. Then again neither are the democrats.
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Given that Trump is the one who totally undercut the moderates by pulling out of the Iran deal and handed the hardliners a massive boost, I'm pretty confident that no he isn't the man for that.
 
Untd55 said:
I think people are going to be in for a shock if Biden wins. His policies will wreck the US economy.

One, America will be going into lockdown once he wins. They have to because this has been a fundamental part of his campaign. This will damage the economy; a lot of job losses to come.

Two, he wants to hit the wealthy with a 67% wealth tax. These taxes will just be fed down the pyramid in the form of job losses and pay freezes.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are going to lose their jobs once this is over.
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It'd be great if just once people could stop acting like the super wealthy are some protected class that have to be sucked up to at every turn. Tax the shit out of them, and if they try and dodge it then destroy their ability to do business within your country.
 
Untd55 said:
I think people are going to be in for a shock if Biden wins. His policies will wreck the US economy.

One, America will be going into lockdown once he wins. They have to because this has been a fundamental part of his campaign. This will damage the economy; a lot of job losses to come.

Two, he wants to hit the wealthy with a 67% wealth tax. These taxes will just be fed down the pyramid in the form of job losses and pay freezes.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are going to lose their jobs once this is over.
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If the US had gone in lockdown in the first place, their economy would be in a better position than it is now....
 
Untd55 said:
I think people are going to be in for a shock if Biden wins. His policies will wreck the US economy.

One, America will be going into lockdown once he wins. They have to because this has been a fundamental part of his campaign. This will damage the economy; a lot of job losses to come.

Two, he wants to hit the wealthy with a 67% wealth tax. These taxes will just be fed down the pyramid in the form of job losses and pay freezes.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are going to lose their jobs once this is over.
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Oh because Trump's COVID plan is going so well. And where has Biden said he will put the country into lockdown?
 
Kentonio said:
It'd be great if just once people could stop acting like the super wealthy are some protected class that have to be sucked up to at every turn. Tax the shit out of them, and if they try and dodge it then destroy their ability to do business within your country.
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It literally reminds me of the old simpsons quote regarding ivory back scratches...
 
Kentonio said:
It'd be great if just once people could stop acting like the super wealthy are some protected class that have to be sucked up to at every turn. Tax the shit out of them, and if they try and dodge it then destroy their ability to do business within your country.
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How do you stop them from cutting costs in their businesses or putting pressure on companies as shareholders to do so? You can't because that would be a dictatorship.

Taxing them heavily will only result in damaging those at the bottom of the pyramid; you need to realise this.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Oh because Trump's COVID plan is going so well. And where has Biden said he will put the country into lockdown?
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What else is he going to do? Wave his magic wand and make it disappear?

They don't think a vaccine is going to be ready until at least the spring, so what else can he do? The only way you can slow the transfer is through lockdown; there is no other way until a vaccine is ready. If people are allowed to go about their normals lives, how will that in any way change the rate of transmission?
 
Kentonio said:
It'd be great if just once people could stop acting like the super wealthy are some protected class that have to be sucked up to at every turn. Tax the shit out of them, and if they try and dodge it then destroy their ability to do business within your country.
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I've never understood the logic of this. How can a wealth tax influence employment? Who is this hypothetical uber-rich who will stop employing a third of, I dunno, his accounting team at work because they're finally taxing capital gains at the same marginal tax rate as his income?

The uber-rich don't make their money from their own workplaces, they make them from investments. A proper wealth tax would just redistribute some of the obscene distortions currently happening. As per Capital by Piketty - the US's wealth inequality is worse than before the French revolution. That went well.
 
Untd55 said:
I think people are going to be in for a shock if Biden wins. His policies will wreck the US economy.

One, America will be going into lockdown once he wins. They have to because this has been a fundamental part of his campaign. This will damage the economy; a lot of job losses to come.

Two, he wants to hit the wealthy with a 67% wealth tax. These taxes will just be fed down the pyramid in the form of job losses and pay freezes.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are going to lose their jobs once this is over.
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So you think they should just carry on as they are with a thousand people a day dying from covid ?
 
Untd55 said:
What else is he going to do? Wave his magic wand and make it disappear?

They don't think a vaccine is going to be ready until at least the spring, so what else can he do? The only way you can slow the transfer is through lockdown; there is no other way until a vaccine is ready.
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How about listen to people who know what they're talking about and stop spreading bullshit conspiracy theories?
 
Untd55 said:
How do you stop them from cutting costs in their businesses or putting pressure on companies as shareholders to do so? You can't because that would be a dictatorship.

Taxing them heavily will only result in damaging those at the bottom of the pyramid; you need to realise this.
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I mean, I don't want to get in the way of your Fox News talking points, but literally every piece of research into this subject suggests you're wrong.

To paraphrase the inventor of 'trickle-down economics': the existence (and huge increase!) of the lower class is proof that trickle-down economics do not work.
 
Beachryan said:
I've never understood the logic of this. How can a wealth tax influence employment? Who is this hypothetical uber-rich who will stop employing a third of, I dunno, his accounting team at work because they're finally taxing capital gains at the same marginal tax rate as his income?

The uber-rich don't make their money from their own workplaces, they make them from investments. A proper wealth tax would just redistribute some of the obscene distortions currently happening. As per Capital by Piketty - the US's wealth inequality is worse than before the French revolution. That went well.
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Who do you think owns companies? A lot of richest people on earth hold large shareholdings and thus have massive voting power. If they are displeased with their current affairs, they will push to have increased dividends to counter the tax values and also move their personal assets abroad. Personal assets also provide employment via cleaners and caretakers etc.

There is no doubt the rich will try and offset as much of the tax burden via other means as possible.

Companies may be influenced into automating more jobs or accelerating the automation of work processes, thereby reducing the number of jobs available. People don't see it, but it does happen.
 
Kentonio said:
It'd be great if just once people could stop acting like the super wealthy are some protected class that have to be sucked up to at every turn. Tax the shit out of them, and if they try and dodge it then destroy their ability to do business within your country.
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Nail on head.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
How about listen to people who know what they're talking about and stop spreading bullshit conspiracy theories?
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You people are way too defensive. When did I say I think coronavirus doesn't exist? You're childish and absolutely impossible to talk to. You're acting like a fanboy.
 
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