2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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calodo2003 said:
There’s a lot of truth to this tweet...

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Florida Man said:
It's an issue world wide because imperialism is an inherent feature of capitalism once exploitation of local resources and labor do not suffice for continued profits of the capitalists. Consumerist society is a fecking virus infecting the globe and being propagated by neoliberal "democracy" via the US military, the IMF, World Bank, and others. This mode of production is literally killing the planet faster than predicted, and yet, we have privileged cnuts talking about how they want US supremacy to continue when the US can't even properly deal with wildfires as they efficiently crush protests of people who want something better. The faster this shitshow of an empire dies down, and the plastic culture that it came with, the better it will be for the world.
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MrMarcello said:
Gridiron football, beer, and porn.

I think we can mostly agree on this.
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Salt Bailly said:
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The other thing that springs to mind that defines, or defined, American culture is 'The American Dream'.
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Cheers ya'll
 
Sweet Square said:
I'm pretty confident the link between posting on a football forum and American presidential elections is none existent. As for the 'woke" stuff honestly I have no idea what that word means anymore, it gets used so often by everyone that it's lost all meaning for me.


Thanks!


Imo for people who believe this, their time would be better spent trying to win over family members or phone banking for Biden rather than complaining to random strangers on the internet. Because I wasted a ton of time on here last year trying to "convince" conservative posters to vote for the British Labour Party and it really doesn't work.
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I do my fair share to convince people in real life to vote for Biden but I don't think this forum or anything is meaningless. The fact is many people believe Trump and Biden are one of the same. As bad as each other and I feel the media has a big role to play in that.
 
shamans said:
I do my fair share to convince people in real life to vote for Biden but I don't think this forum or anything is meaningless. The fact is many people believe Trump and Biden are one of the same. As bad as each other and I feel the media has a big role to play in that.
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I do not have a TV and do not get newspapers, and I don't have a subscription to any US news sites.
 
Jaqen H'ghar said:
it seems like there is a Metropolitan America and a Rural America with contrasting views on almost everything, and almost nothing in common
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For what it is worth, it has been that way since the beginning when we had Hamilton’s city merchant Federalists vs. Jefferson’s rural gentry Anti-Federalists.
 
Carolina Red said:
For what it is worth, it has been that way since the beginning when we had Hamilton’s city merchant Federalists vs. Jefferson’s rural gentry Anti-Federalists.
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That’s true enough.

And then you get areas like where I live. We’re 50 miles from downtown LA and 70 miles from downtown SD and this area is a mix of republican, as Orange County had been for years, and newer Dems.
On the neighbourhood website you can feel the disdain one group has for the other.

Both groups would be reasonably well educated too and reasonably well off so it’s crazy to think of educated, well off but not super rich folk voting for Trump.

In my cul de sac now we have one trump flag and 3 Biden flags. The other 7 houses, incl mine, have none.
 
Beachryan said:
My point is that there are far greater issues to be thinking about that this trivial bullsh*t about Biden - and that by focusing on such menial crap all you're doing is playing into the 'both sides are as bad as each other' trope which is simply not true.

For the first time in its almost 200 year history, Scientific American is endorsing a candidate. Because the other candidate doesn't believe in science. THAT should be what is being discussed, not that stupid video.
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In the meantime, we see posts all the time about trivial stupidities that Trump does. I mean, if you're going to go down this road, let's focus on the real issues and not on Trump being a general idiot and dipshit either. (I would be all in favour of that - although a lot of trivial Trump crap is pretty funny.)
 
Cheimoon said:
In the meantime, we see posts all the time about trivial stupidities that Trump does. I mean, if you're going to go down this road, let's focus on the real issues and not on Trump being a general idiot and dipshit either. (I would be all in favour of that - although a lot of trivial Trump crap is pretty funny.)
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I actually agree and find it infuriating how equal time is spent on Trump's stupidity vs his utter criminality, for example
 
Beachryan said:
My point is that there are far greater issues to be thinking about that this trivial bullsh*t about Biden - and that by focusing on such menial crap all you're doing is playing into the 'both sides are as bad as each other' trope which is simply not true.

For the first time in its almost 200 year history, Scientific American is endorsing a candidate. Because the other candidate doesn't believe in science. THAT should be what is being discussed, not that stupid video.
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Who the feck cares about Scientific American. Their endorsement means dick. Ain’t no president in the US gonna do anything effective against climate change.
 
Carolina Red said:
For what it is worth, it has been that way since the beginning when we had Hamilton’s city merchant Federalists vs. Jefferson’s rural gentry Anti-Federalists.
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Thanks, I'll try to read about it. The divide in itself pretty much is pretty much a fact of life, that groups with different lifestyles will have different out looks on life. I just feel that in America it runs deeper, and there's a mutual disdain, whereas elsewhere it feels more like a resentment from the rural communities that feel underprivileged or marginalized. Not sure I've been able to explain it well.
utdalltheway said:
Both groups would be reasonably well educated too and reasonably well off so it’s crazy to think of educated, well off but not super rich folk voting for Trump.
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This is what stands out as a bit odd. Same communities living in similar conditions, but being so entrenched in their views and allowing their differences to define them.

I recently heard someone say that "Tyranny is the absence of nuance" and I see it in politics generally, but more obvious in American politics. Maybe it's due the two party system painting everything in black and white, with or against. People either see Trump as the devil or the messiah, and it's close enough that despite all he's done there's a genuine possibility he could get reelected, and however the election goes the results likely to be contested.

Even among democrats there's acentrist progressive fracture, where centrists feel that progressives have an obligation to vote for a nominee even if said nominee is the antithesis to their values, or progressives that won't get behind a candidate they feel does not represent their values, even if it's to avert a greater evil.
 
Jaqen H'ghar said:
Even among democrats there's acentrist progressive fracture, where centrists feel that progressives have an obligation to vote for a nominee even if said nominee is the antithesis to their values, or progressives that won't get behind a candidate they feel does not represent their values, even if it's to avert a greater evil.
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The exact same mentality exists everywhere, check the Keir Starmer thread for more details..
 
https://www.270towin.com/maps/je99E

What do you think about this @Raoul? To me it seems like the most important thing for Biden is to defend Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania - all states where he has a decent lead, bar maybe PA. I’ve also been a bit pessimistic in ceding Nevada and Arizona to Trump.

I’ve not even considered Florida as an option. I feel a bit better now.
 
SirAF said:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/je99E

What do you think about this @Raoul? To me it seems like the most important thing for Biden is to defend Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania - all states where he has a decent lead, bar maybe PA. I’ve also been a bit pessimistic in ceding Nevada and Arizona to Trump.

I’ve not even considered Florida as an option. I feel a bit better now.
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To me that looks like a good guess of Biden's tightest possible realistic win. Agree that from there losing any of the midwest states (guess PA isn't technically midwest, but whatever) you mentioned is game over. Would also say that if he actually ends up underperforming polls in any of those states, he probably underperforms in all 4 of them.

Nevada maybe he can take even if he doesn't do that well in the midwest, but not enough to offset losing any of the 4. If he were to take both NV and AZ then he can afford to lose any of those 4, but only one.

The way it will play out on election night I think will be the usual early focus on FL which if Biden wins is probably a knockout because of both the electoral votes but also what it likely means for his performance in other states. Then NC and a bit of VA to a lesser extent, but really focused on PA. If he's winning PA by a good margin it bodes well for WI, MI and MN. If he's winning PA tightly then have to watch all those 3 states. If he's losing PA and FL then likely game over.

Quick edit: wildest timeline and emotional rollercoaster would be him losing all the stuff we're talking about earlier in the evening and being saved by a blue Texas... that would be a crazy night.
 
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MTF said:
To me that looks like a good guess of Biden's tightest possible realistic win. Agree that from there losing any of the midwest states (guess PA isn't technically midwest, but whatever) you mentioned is game over. Would also say that if he actually ends up underperforming polls in any of those states, he probably underperforms in all 4 of them.

Nevada maybe he can take even if he doesn't do that well in the midwest, but not enough to offset losing any of the 4. If he were to take both NV and AZ then he can afford to lose any of those 4, but only one.

The way it will play out on election night I think will be the usual early focus on FL which if Biden wins is probably a knockout because of both the electoral votes but also what it likely means for his performance in other states. Then NC and a bit of VA to a lesser extent, but really focused on PA. If he's winning PA by a good margin it bodes well for WI, MI and MN. If he's winning PA tightly then have to watch all those 3 states. If he's losing PA and FL then likely game over.

Quick edit: wildest timeline and emotional rollercoaster would be him losing all the stuff we're talking about earlier in the evening and being saved by a blue Texas... that would be a crazy night.
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Agree with that.

As for Texas, that scenario would be insane :lol: Trump is only up by 1.3 avg so Texas IS in play! Even if it won’t happen. Definitely. Probably.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
The gas block is just about right for an AK...but the outfit looks more like it's an Afghan militia or something. Jets could be F-18s but I'm no expert there.
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F-18s’ fins are more angled & the plane is more pointed, less triangular towards its nose. They are close, though, engineered & first built at exactly the same time.
 
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