2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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A bit confused by your wording here, do you not consider those on the left "normal" people ?

When I say normal I mean ideologically agnostic, which are generally people in the middle of the political spectrum who vote based on comfort levels with candidates instead of just policy.
 
He should've said: you know covid? I know more than anyone about covid, but covid this year, this year was great btw, great numbers, jobs, more than any jobs than any president before, but covid, it has taken lives and I know lives, many lives, I make them better. Great again you know? And in the last 100 years. And you know it's been said that Ive done more for the US than anyone in the last 100 years, but these 100 years and Sleepy Joe wont tell you this, but there couldve been many more lives if I hadnt closed the borders with China, but still in 100 years.. Many lives! I take no responsibilty, but many lives!

Too bad he's not as eloquent and consice as Trump.

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Some will purely on fracking, others will on Police policy, others on Military, others will draw the line at any combination of these. Trump is gradually getting him to commit to a lot of things progressives will turn their nose up at, I don’t agree if you think that’s not going to have any measurable impact on progressive support for him.

What do you think these voters will do instead - vote for a 3rd party candidate or simply not vote? Because even though Biden may not be progressive enough for a lot of people on the left, surely most of them will realize that Trump will still be significantly worse.
 
What do you think these voters will do instead - vote for a 3rd party candidate or simply not vote? Because even though Biden may not be progressive enough for a lot of people on the left, surely most of them will realize that Trump will still be significantly worse.

Yeah most is the key word.
 
What do you think these voters will do instead - vote for a 3rd party candidate or simply not vote? Because even though Biden may not be progressive enough for a lot of people on the left, surely most of them will realize that Trump will still be significantly worse.

This is pretty much what it will boil down to. Anyone who currently plans on voting Biden isn't likely to change their minds because they know how incredibly destructive a 2nd Trump term would be, to where any grass roots support progressives and/or lefties have mustered over the past few years, would never get realized because Trump would pack every institution with so many loyalists to where Democracy wouldn't matter anymore.
 
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This is pretty much what it will boil down to. Anyone who currently plans on voting Biden isn't likely to change their minds because they know how incredibly destructive a 2nd Trump term would be, to where any grass roots support progressives and/or lefties have mustered over the past few years, would never get realized because Trump would pack every institution with so many loyalists to where Democracy wouldn't matter anymore.

High stakes indeed.

No matter who wins in November, it is very difficult to imagine a peaceful aftermath. If Trump wins, the opposition will point to voter suppression and outside interference, and if Biden wins, Trump will point to voter fraud and the deep state. Either way people will take to the streets and it could get even more ugly.
 
High stakes indeed.

No matter who wins in November, it is very difficult to imagine a peaceful aftermath. If Trump wins, the opposition will point to voter suppression and outside interference, and if Biden wins, Trump will point to voter fraud and the deep state. Either way people will take to the streets and it could get even more ugly.

That's quite likely. Especially if a scenario like this were to actually happen - where Trump looks like he may have won in a landslide due to in person day of results, then only to find he loses due to all the mail in votes that get counted in the hours/days after the election. He would almost certainly reject the results, litigate, and incite his sheep to carry out protests and violence.

 
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Can't say I'm surprised. Trump talks a great game when it comes to the military but his actions have been rather appalling, from publicly throwing good men under the bus to commuting scumbags like Eddie Gallagher.
 
Can't say I'm surprised. Trump talks a great game when it comes to the military but his actions have been rather appalling, from publicly throwing good men under the bus to commuting scumbags like Eddie Gallagher.

The lack of any type of response to the Russian bounties on U.S. troops probably didn't help either.
 
How the hell are there's still 36% military supporting him?

One would thought James Mattis is the god down there

Much of the military has historically leaned towards Republicans out of self-interest (better pay raises, benefits etc), so many of them still view voting Republican in those terms.
 
You think Barr is going to arrest Democrats? There's no chance. That would be a civil war.

Have you been following up til now? Its already civil war, we have a 17 year old who crossed state lines, killed two people who were legally protesting and injured more and the Trump Admin, local police and mainstream (not only right wing) media have condoned his actions and justified them.

There is absolutely no way it’s beyond Barr to arrest a Democrat politician on bullshit charges. It doesn’t matter if they get dropped, he gets sued and subpoenas are dished out to find out how the investigation and charges came about, they will ignore them and the damage will be done.
 
Its not a masterstroke. It’s deceitful, borderline illegal and only meaningful to truly stupid people.

It’s not how you run a country. It’s neither big nor clever.

It is deceitful but it works.

I don't like call vast swathes of the population stupid just because they don't follow the same political ideology. That's the easiest way to continue losing elections.
 
Biden Campaign: Animal Cross-To The Polls!



Oh dear. Four more years of Trump.
 
It is deceitful but it works.

I don't like call vast swathes of the population stupid just because they don't follow the same political ideology. That's the easiest way to continue losing elections.

Absolutely, but it IS true. They are fecking morons, thick as pig shite. It’s no point trying to pretend otherwise.
 
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